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just reached 800 propose

rough idea of numbers from catscan. Waacstats (talk) 10:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes by all means Count Blofeld 10:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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Oversized at 845, we already have {{PRChina-footyclub-stub}} and {{PRChina-basketball-team-stub}} that between them have 74 articles so propose either

Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I think sorting by sport and country is better than sorting by just country, so i'd oppose sports-team-stubs. In order to include national teams, we could consider {{PRChina-national-team-stub}}--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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Creeping up to 715, lubkily we already have by county upmerged templates and the following are all over 60 so propose relevent categories

Speedy? Waacstats (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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Generic country stubs

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There still seem to be a few generic country-stub types missing - i've just noticed that we have no {{Montserrat-stub}}, for example. These are speediable, but I'm giving the heads-up here first. Unless anyone has any objections, I'll make upmerged templates for any I find that don't have a basic stub (hopefully there aren't that many left now...) Grutness...wha? 22:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Not only have I made this and used this, but the number of stubs using this and the other two existing Montserrat templates would mean that ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Montserrat stubs would contain 64 articles. Speedy? Grutness...wha? 23:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Support speedy, the same goes for any others out there.Waacstats (talk) 10:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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As it is for ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:African football biography stubs, so shall it be for this stub category.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

No country appears to have 60 stubs at present so this is probably the best solution. Waacstats (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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just seen this one has shot up towards 800. These would take the size down.

Waacstats (talk) 15:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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Following on from my note earlier this month on generic stubs... there are now 71 articles marked with {{BritishVirginIslands-stub}}, plus a long-standing geo-stub category which would serve as a subcat of this. Speedy? Grutness...wha? 00:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

obvious speedy Waacstats (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 (Geuss who is trying to fill what will be a quiet christmas)

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60. Should take car of all european countries except gibralter and Vatican city for which we don't have perm cats.

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

That's the problem. I have to go in to work a couple of days over christmas everyone else is away with family so I could end up home alone so got to keep myself out of trouble some how. Waacstats (talk) 09:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:/ Sorry to hear that. Still, at least it means some stubs will be sorted :) Grutness...wha? 00:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Eugh. Failed to spot that the Macedonian one should have been at {{RMacedonia-sport-bio-stub}}... renamed and deleted the original. Grutness...wha? 23:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

forgot about that, will remember next time. Waacstats (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
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Three more scientists

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Three more scientist templates pass 60, speedy categories?

Waacstats (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Strongly oppose. Just kidding, speedy of course. Could you please list any ones below which have over 30 but less than 60 too and I'll see what I can do The Bald One White cat 19:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy scientists

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the following templates have over 60 articles propose relevent cat

Waacstats (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy, naturally The Bald One White cat 18:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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The last few "country" Foo-stubs

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Hi all. Every country (and everything which might conceivably be called one, other than a few disputed regions) now has both a Foo-stub and a Foo-geo-stub... with four exceptions, all of which may need a little discussion before creation, as listed below. They're probably best treated in two separate loads, hence the separate headings. The entire list of such stubs for "countries and country-like entities" is now at User:Grutness/Geo-stub list, BTW. Grutness...wha? 23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Korea and China

We still use {{Korea-stub}} and {{China-stub}}, which are perfectly acceptable, given that many stubs deal with pre-revolutionary/pre-war subjects. We could probably still do with the following, though:

Grutness...wha? 23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree these are probably a good idea but I can see them being troublesome as well. Waacstats (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Mmm once again I think you are looking too much into being politicially correct my dear Mr. Grutness. LOL. Makes sense though. The Bald One White cat 18:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

TAAF

We have no foo-stub or geo-stub for France's Southern and Antarctic Territories. There are two issues here - firstly, the name andc secondly the scope (our stubs for other countries do not include areas within Antarctica, which is a major slice of this territory). But other French overseas départements have their own stub types; this should too. Possible options are the following:

covers the entire area including Antarctica's Adélie Land.
also covers the entire area, using the standard French acronym. Simpler, but may be ambiguous.
removes Antarctica, but may be ambiguous - Corsica is in southern France, for instance.
clearer, but a bit of a fudge - there's no permcat for French Southern Territories, it's always french Southern and Antarctic territories.
90% of the area of the non-Antarctic TAAF is the island of Kerguelen. Template wording could make it clear that, like Trinidad-stub, it is for the whole entity, not just the biggest island.

I'm open to any other suggestions, but given that this has been hanging around as the last outstanding geo-stub for a long time and will soon probably be the last outstanding generic stub, I'd like to get this dealt with ASAP. Grutness...wha? 23:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A quick read of the article would suggest that what we want to cover is best descibed as FrenchSouthernTerritories-stub, it may be a fudge but then so would any of the others(excluding antarica/includeing islans not specifically named). Waacstats (talk) 00:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed before, but that article says "French Southern Territories" is an acceptable name, so I'll go for that. Grutness...wha? 20:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Given that everywhere else has these types of stubs, I;'ll assume this is speediable and start work :) Grutness...wha? 05:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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Other scientists

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following on from below I was surprised to find we don't have the following

Waacstats (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Support. I know it is very surprising what is missing and how generic some of them are. I would suggest we sometime do an overhaul of biography stubs on wikipedia and ensure we at least have templates organized by country (main ones in Europe and Americas anyway) by profession. There is far too much of an inconsitency. We would probably need some people from WP:BIO to help out as it would be by no means a task for only two of us The Bald One White cat 13:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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Scientists in general seem to be largely sorted either by nationality or speciality not both so before the above gets too large I propose the following scheme. numbers are rough ideas

Will probably propose similar schemes for other countries shortly. Waacstats (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC) I thought I proposed German chemists and chemist stubs a while back? Could you check, back in October I think The Bald One White cat 13:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

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While I have reduced the number in this category to a little under 800 by moving articles into the existing more specific stubs, there are enough articles to create {{lymphatic-stub}} and {{genitourinary-stub}}. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

A wider discussion, Grutness, Waacs please join in. I support the split but I would investigate how to split further.

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Coudl somebody enlighten me how many stubs we have at present? I've created {{France-museum-stub}}. Remember that French museums are categprized in a number of categories. If it doesn't hit 60 let me know. [[List of museums in France has several hundred which need to be started anyway The Bald One White cat 22:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

A quick sort gives 47, may be others that I haven't picked up though. Also i've upmerged the template till we get to 60. Waacstats (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Should now be over 60. The Bald One White cat 11:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree it's over 60 support category. Waacstats (talk) 13:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
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Oversized with 823 stubs and a very generic category given that some drastically different governments are categorized together across the world. My gosh the work that needs doing is creeping up on us but I'd strongly recommend creating a full set of country templates for an important subject like government and creating categories where viable and upmerging the rest The Bald One White cat 16:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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{{baseball-competition-stub}}

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I don't think there is enough articles for a category yet, but it will help sort Category:Baseball stubs. For instance, all the articles on there listed with a year cannot be sorted into a baseball-season stub because they are a competition. If eventually gets more than 60 would say create category Category:Baseball competition stubs. —Borgardetalk 13:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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{{recording-studio-stub}}

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For music recording studios. There are currently 54 tagged with {{music-venue-stub}}, which isn't the most intuitive of descriptors. I think the class is sufficiently distinct to warrant its own handy-dandy template - ideally cat too, where they could better find expert attention, but pending the magic 60 they can be upmerged to remain in ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Music venue stubs.  • Lainagier • talk • 07:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Support, and if on creating 60 are found to exist I also support ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Recording studio stubs. Waacstats (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
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‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Hungarian scientists and sub cats shows it is clearly viable. Create {{Hungary-scientist-stub}} too obviously Actually I propose the creation of the following templates and to create categories where viable. Count Blofeld 10:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy cats from the Channel Islands

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Not to be confused with manx cats from the Isle of Man :) I've just been sorting Jersey and Guernsey's stubs, and the following are speediable:

(NB - as with New Zealand, the adjectival demonym seems to be identical to the noun form). Grutness...wha? 08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Go for it Count Blofeld 10:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy. Waacstats (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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New Categories for Upmerged Afghanistan Stubs

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I am currently sorting the Afghanistan-geo-stubs. 604 total articles. Request permission to create categories for any of the stubsets that top 60. Aelfthrytha (talk) 06:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems fair enough to me. Grutness...wha? 08:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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I would like to split out the tennis-stubs with the addition of {{tennis-tourney-stubs}}. Should lead to more work done through split of focus. -- Mjquin_id (talk) 22:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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propose a {{Israel-actor-stub}}. Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

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currently oversized propode the following:

Categories for those that reach 60 (Probably just the Germans and Hungarians) No Canada canoe bio? I'm shocked The Bald One White cat 12:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Support - though what a horrible name for the category! I'd never heard the word canoer before, and googled it to make sure it's a real word - "canoer" is outnumbered by "canoeist" by about seven to one. BTW< I'm also shocked there's no suggestion of including a {{NewZealand-canoe-bio-stub}}! Grutness...wha? 21:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL. I know I always thought that when I was adding some Beijing "canoer" or "canoeist" bio stub. The Bald One White cat 10:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I know we have a large competition in the nearest town and the locals always complain about "the damn canoeists", but the the permcat is at canoer as well so unless someone wants to take that to CFD for renaming it's probably best left as is (if anyone does take it to sfd let me know, without attempting to influence the !vote).And as for NewZealand-canoe-bio catscan gives 6. Waacstats (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I diid take it to CFD yesterday, once I realised the name of it! As to catscan, I'd be pretty sure that that is because of undercategorising, though I'm surprised at the number of redlinks relating to NZ rowing. There are certainly more than six on the first page of ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:New Zealand sportspeople stubs, though not by a lot (a {{NewZealand-swimming-bio-stub}}, on the other hand, looks very useful, and may be worth proposing...) Grutness...wha? 23:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60 (Anyone spotting a trend here)

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

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propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

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‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Telecommunications stubs is over 930 and needs to be tackled. Knowing next to nothing about telecommunications, I cannot offer much help. {{Telecomm-bio-stub}} perhaps?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I also know nothing about telecommunications, so i'm no help either in fact more of a hinderence because a quick look throught the first 2 pages shows no bios at all so we will need something else to reduce this category. We could probably populate a bio stub, just not from this category. Waacstats (talk) 09:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm also out of my depth - but wonder whether a {{Telecomm-term-stub}} (along the lines of geo-term-stub and similar) might be useful. There seems to be a lot of jargon in there... Grutness...wha? 23:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... seems we have that one. Is there undersorting, perhaps, or is it upmerged? Grutness...wha? 23:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Undersorted, I think. Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Split of 4 foo-footy-bio-stub

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I know I have a load of proposals below but this includes an oversized category. I propose the following:

and categoriesd for any that reach 60, following existing pattern of England, Scotland, Brazil etc. Waacstats (talk) 10:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, didn't see this! Same as mine above :D , Support! —Borgarde 13:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Borgade could you see how many Japanese goalkeeper stubs there are. The others are definately viable for categories too The Bald One White cat 15:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Based on experiance having split 4/5 other countries this way, the midfieldera and defenders will easily be viable, the strikers should creep over and I would expect the japanese goalkeepers to have 60+ while the other3 I think may struggle at the moment but shouldn't be to far off. Waacstats (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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One more sport template

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The result of the debate was create upmerged tpl.

CatScan suggests at least 43 of these - not enough for a category, but certainly enough for an upmerged template. Grutness...wha? 23:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Support. Waacstats (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I still get surprised at the seemingly obvious ones that are still missing. Hey amybody know where Alai is, I haven't seen him around for a while? The Bald One White cat 11:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Good question... doesn't seem to be any comment on his user page, but he's only made two contribs since Dec 2nd. Hope he's OK... Grutness...wha? 12:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was create as "district" per revision.
These days, I am creating article stubs of highly populated villages in Karnataka state of India, missing in WP, 50-60 new articles on an average per distict. Hence it is important to split the cats and stub templates for the 29 districts of Karnataka. This is also discussed at WP:WSS/D at the moment.

-- Tinu Cherian - 05:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Support templates, categories for those that get to 60 (Belgaum is already viable), see where that takes us number wise. {{BangaloreUrban-geo-stub}}, {{BangaloreRural-geo-stub}}, {{DakshinaKannada-geo-stub}} and {{UttaraKannada-geo-stub}} should be used instead of those proposed above as we don't use spaces in template names, I'm also assuming none of these will be ambigous, ie none of them are names of places any where else? Waacstats (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Support templates, and any categories which have 60+ stubs - but with amended names as Waacstats suggests. Two of the names would, however be ambiguous - Hassan and Bijapur. Hassan is the name of other places, though this seems to be the only one in India, so HassanIN should be used. Bijapur is more tricky, since there's a Bijapur district in Chhattisgarh. BijapurKarnataka may be the best solution here. I'd also suggest that if by-district categories are created, the word "district" be included in each, since a lot of these have cities as their main articles.I'd suggest the following amended list of categories and templates:
Grutness...wha? 23:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was create as "district" per revision.
1000 stubs. Templates by district already exist.Create categories for those which are viable. The Bald One White cat 23:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

There is a relevant discussion on a similar matter at WP:WSS/D at the moment. Other states of India have per-district templatres but are mainly split per division as far as categories are concerned. It may be as well to do the same here. Grutness...wha? 22:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The rest of stubs are district sorted.

Divisions are rarely used and not all states have divisions ( like the the Kerala state discussed above).Therefore splitting per distict is consistent and effective -- Tinu Cherian - 05:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

If memory serves correctly then I think the divisions where only used because none of the districts whee viable or all the viable districts had already been split. I assume this is akin to what happens when we end up splitting US States by region because none of the counties are viable. Waacstats (talk)
OK that makes sense. The same problem with article names exists as in that debate, though. The articlesthus named are about the towns and cities, not about the districts. I'll take the ones already in existenc e to SFD, but the new ones should be at:
23:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC) PS - be careful with the spelling! :)
Apologies for creating ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Alappuzha geography stubs. I thought it was speediable and created it before the discussion on naming took place.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
No apologies needed - it did look speediable at first. Grutness...wha? 00:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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{{SouthAfrica-book-stub}}

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The result of the debate was do not create.
Since {{SouthAfrica-media-stub}} has been deleted, a number of books need to be stub sorted. However, we have yet to sort books by country of origin and I don't know how wise this is. What should we do?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 23:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create United Kingdom category only.
There are currently 630 articles in this category, being fed in by 7 stub templates (France, UK, Austria, Germany, Switzerland, Ukraine, general Europe). I propose giving each country template its own category (‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:French figure skating biography stubs, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:British figure skating biography stubs, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Austrian figure skating biography stubs, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:German figure skating biography stubs, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Swiss figure skating biography stubs, ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Ukrainian figure skating biography stubs). This wouldn't require any new stub types. Kolindigo (talk) 20:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Oppose all but one. It is standard practice to have multiple country-level templates feeding one category where the number of stubs used by each template is below threshold. In this case, only one of the thresholds has reached the 60-stub threshold level (though a couple of others are close) - for that reason I'd support ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:United Kingdom figure skating biography stubs (which is the standard name for UK-related categories. BTW, though not a "full" stub type, a category is still regarded as a partial stub type, especially when a template has previously been made in an upmerged form. Grutness...wha? 21:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was no consensus.
There are currently no stubs related to organizational communication and various facets related to organizational communication. I'm wanting to change this.—Preceding unsigned comment added by JasonSWrench (talk • contribs)

Not sure I quite understand - if there are no stubs for it, why would you need a template or category? There is also no permanent category relating to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Organizational communication. There is an ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Organizational theory, but it's not really big enough for its own stub type - and it's a pretty vague area that overlaps with several existing stub types. Perhaps something like a {{Humanresources-stub}} might be a more effective stub type? Grutness...wha? 10:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Norwegian football club stubs

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The result of the debate was create.
59 pages now bear {{Norway-footyclub-stub}} (check whatlinkshere), so could a category be made, please? Punkmorten (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

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PokemonGame-stub

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The result of the debate was discussion continued at sfd.
I noticed that there isn't a stub for pokemon games.Please consider:

{{PokemonGame-stub}} --Shock64 (talk) 19:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

  • There is - {{Pokemon-stub}}, which is the correct one to use for any pokemon-related subjects, including games. {{PokemonGame-stub}} - which you mention - is incorrectly named and is currently nominated for deletion, for the simple reason that there are too few articles for a template. Given that it's already under discussion at SFD, BTW, it shouldn't be mentioned here (see the rules for this page). Grutness...wha? 23:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was create as revised.
don't at the moment make it clear whether they're for stubs related to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Underwater diving or ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Diving (acrobatics). (Actually they seem to be implying that ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Diving stubs is about ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Underwater diving but ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Diving biography stubs is about ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Diving (acrobatics) – which is just plain confusing.)

I propose splitting into more precisely-named categories, presumably ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Underwater diving stubs and ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Diving (acrobatics) stubs. —Paul A (talk) 03:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, though that would also require adding two more templates, so we'll have to work out the naming for those, too. Grutness...wha? 05:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A great idea and should mean I can finally get those pesky underwater divers out of the sport heirachy! (just kidding). As for template names how about diving-sport- and diving-underwater-? Waacstats (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
perhaps the reverse might make more sense: sport-diving-stub (or acrobatics-diving-stub?) and underwater-diving-stub. In the case of the sport one, it's a bit more ambiguous, since it could be seen a split of sport-stub, but I think since the purpose is to split diving-stub it would be logical(and even approach grammar!) to have them the other way round. Grutness...wha? 23:04, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Looks sensible. Waacstats (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Si LOL. Good catch The Bald One White cat 12:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create.
propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

would also be an idea to have a ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:European scientist stubs Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create as revised.
propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

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The result of the debate was create.
propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

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The result of the debate was create.
propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

Waacstats (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was create.
propose the following templates, categories if they reach 60

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Proposals, December 2008

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LGBT split

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The result of the debate was create -org-, -law-, -film-, and -novel-; do not (re)create -bio- or -book-.
There are now over 800 articles in ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:LGBT stubs. I'd like to propose the following templates, splitting out separate categories for any which reach threshold:

Given the number of articles on civil unions and civil rights by country, the law one should easily reach 60, as should the one for organisations. The others may not, though there are a considerable number of books in the main category. I've mentioned this proposal at WP:LGBT, BTW (or, FWIW, will ASAP, OK? :) Grutness...wha? 22:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Those sound like reasonable sub-cats. I think there should also be a {{LGBT-bio-stub}} for stub biographies of LGBT people. (I had created such a category, but because of opposition thereto, it was never populated. Can we do so?) Aleta Sing 22:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I oppose a LGBT-bio-stub on the basis that it is far too general. The activist-stub is for people notable directly because of their LGBT status. If we have a LGBT-bio-stub, every LGBT person could be stubbed such, making it a huge mess.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 22:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Support proposal, with no preference between "book" and "novel". I agree that a bio stub has enough potential problems that it should not be included in this split. --Alynna (talk) 20:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Support; Especially bio-stub; Either both "book" and "novel" as they are different WikiProjects or the parent project "Literature". -- Mjquin_id (talk) 01:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
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{{PRChina-transport-stub}} and {{PRChina-rail-station-stub}}

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The result of the debate was create.
Template for gneerla stubs on transport and railways in China. Create cat when viable The Bald One White cat 14:53, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create.
Soon will be over 150, at this minute of writing there are about 85-90 The Bald One White cat 18:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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Trail stub subtypes

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The result of the debate was create.
‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Trail stubs isn't in need of splitting yet, but that's mainly because of massive undersorting. I'd like to propose that a few sub-templates may be useful. The following three in particular would get pretty high use, and the US one would have enough for its own category:

Suggestions for others would also be welcome. Grutness...wha? 01:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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Possible {{BritishRaj-bio-stub}} and {{BritishRaj-politician-stub}}

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Seems to be a great deal of stubs created on British officers/politicians who lived under the British Raj. At present the creator is placing them in "people stubs". As India politician stub or British politician stub might not be so specific would anybody approve of an idea for a template for governors or British people who spent much of their life in British India? The Bald One White cat 17:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Strongly Support this idea. We can have a seperate stub-template for UK Governors, etc of British India.... for {{Administrators of provinces in British India}}. There are too. many Governors. KensplanetTalkContributions 17:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was create.
Over 750. I'm not an expert on entomology but it seems the following templates would seem sesnsible and create categories where viable. There are a great number of red links so it may be possible to start them and make all categories viable.

There is also a "cave beetle" category but I doubt scientifically that would constitute for anything The Bald One White cat 18:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Anybody?? Or does nobody care about the "beetles"? The Bald One White cat 10:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was create.
Category is approaching 800 and could definitely use a split. Most of the articles are on post-season bowls (like the 1997 Holiday Bowl) and individual teams seasons. Propose {{collegefootball-season-stub}} and {{collegefootball-bowl-stub}}--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

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Skating varieties stub creation

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The result of the debate was create upmerged tpl.
Hello. The Skating stubs category currently contains two sub categories: figure skating stubs, and skating biography stubs. I think this category should contain only sub categories. The skating page is a disambiguation page for a good reason: because "skating" is a word with many meanings. A skating stub is therefore not very exact. There needs to be a speed skating basic stub like there is for figure skating (figure-skating-stub). Right now, there is a speed-skating-bio-stub and a figure-skating-bio-stub, and there are two pages in skating-bio-stub that deal with in-line skaters, who should have their own stub family, even if it's just part of inline-skating-stub since there aren't that many inline skating bios right now. Ideally, I do not think there should be anything in skating-stub category at all. It is simply too broad that it becomes confusion. We should not be categorizing inline skaters with speed skaters or figure skaters. They are completely different things, and the only thing they have in common is the word "skater". 70.20.74.178 (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The idea of a {{speed-skating-stub}} is a good one, though it wouldn't entirely solve anything, not immediately at least. The problem with the category is that at the moment there are probably far too few speed skating stubs for a separate category (60 is the threshold, as explained above), so the template would need to be upmerged into ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Skating stubs until it grew larger. The idea of using ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Skating stubs in this way, eventually ending up with a parent-only stub category (that is, with no matching {{Skating-stub}}) would be reasonable, though, especially given that there is a parent ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Skating. But we'd by then probably have a similar problem with inline skating. Even if we managed to clear them, though, it is clear from ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Skating stubs that there are some articles which couldn't be split between the different forms of skating - that's why there are still unsubcategorised articles in that category. For that reason I'm not 100% keen on it.
As far as the bio-stubs are concerned, though, yes, the creation of an {{inline-skating-bio-stub}} would be useful, as would the creation of a {{US-speed-skating-bio-stub}}, to match the current one for figure skaters. There's no equivalent permanent category to ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:skating biography stubs, so splitting it as far as is practical, and possibly getting rid of the plain {{Skating-bio-stub}} (and its US equivalent) would be a good move. Grutness...wha? 22:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was create as Foo-diplomacy-stub.
Coming close to 800. Believe it or not we have over 60 articles on diplomatic missions in Russia. catscan Do we want to create a template/category for this if so what do we call it and what if any other stub parents do we give it? Waacstats (talk) 14:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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