Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries/Archive14

March 2006

{{Tanzania-stub}} / Category:Tanzania stubs

Seems like we've had this for a little over a month. looks well formed and has nearly 80 stubs. A keeper, most likely. Grutness...wha? 23:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• Already been discovered, see above. Kappa 16:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
• It is currently used on more than 70 stubs. A definite keeper. Valentinian ^(talk) 23:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

{{Lithuania-bio-stub}} / Category:Lithuanian people stubs

This one was created around a week ago. It is used on 59 articles, and both stub and category is well-formed. The parent category is still above threshold, and it is listed on WP:WSS/ST. A definite keep to me. --Valentinian ^(talk) 20:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Make that 73 articles. --Valentinian ^(talk) 23:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:Filipino writer stubs / {{Philippines-writer-stub}}

User:A2Kafir (who should know better) just added this to the stub type list, yet it was (to my knowledge) never proposed. Has 35 stubs though, and is likely to grow. Grutness...wha? 06:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

It did get listed on SFD for renaming recently, though, so it has at least the whiff of consensus about it.

{{PATH-stub}}

Unused template, about two months old. Category is a redlink. Kusma (討論) 10:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

This sounds like prime SFD material... I think I'll take it there straight away! Grutness...wha? 22:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

{{Kurd-politician-stub}} / Category:Kurdish politician stubs

Created on 3 March. Used on 14 articles. MisformedIncorrectly named and will not reach 60 in any forseable future (given the number of stubs for Iran, Iraq, and Turkey.) I'm taking it to SFD --Valentinian ^(talk) 18:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted via WP:SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 14:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Saudi-bio-stub}} / Category:Saudi people stubs AND {{Aramco-stub}} / Category:Saudi Aramco stubs

Created today. (Should've discussed but forgot.) - Eagle^talk 08:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

saudi-bios probably viable. theres no way in a million years that saudi-aramco-stub would be though and it should definately be sfdd. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is. Only few of the giant oilfields (only Ghawar I think), and only 5 of many compounds and projects, and 3 of many notable people currently have articles. All of these stubs will include both {{petroleum-company-stub}} and {{SaudiArabia-stub}}, so I think it's useful to use just one category. - Eagle^talk 05:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

viable = having 60 or more stubs. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

{{Saudi-bio-stub}} might be a good idea but {{Aramco-stub}} should be deleted ASAP. It will never reach any reasonable number of stubs. Valentinian ^(talk) 01:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

{{Azerbaijan-stub}} / no category

This one seems to have risen from the grave. Well, the Caucasus categories are somewhat messy, so this might be as good a time as any to sort them out.

The status is as follows:

• Generic categories {{Caucasus-stub}} and {{Caucasus-bio-stub}} (no -geo-stub).
• Geo-stubs: All three nations have a -geo-stub above threshold, all are listed on WP:WSS/ST. The Georgian has a category named Category:Georgia (country) geography stubs which should be renamed to Category:Georgia geography stubs. No other problems here.
• Bio-stubs: Armenia has a bio stub above threshold, listed on WP:WSS/ST. Georgia probably has enough material for a bio-stub but that would empty the {{Georgia-stub}} so I'm not proposing that one yet.
• National stubs: {{Georgia-stub}} and {{Armenia-stub}} are old news. Today an impatient user recreated a (malformed) {{Azerbaijan-stub}}. I've cleaned up the code but not created a category (yet). I've been emptying the two Caucasus categories over into the Georgian and Armenian categories to populate them, so the generic Caucasus categories will very soon only contain material from Azerbaijan. The same user must have seen this since he changed one of the Caucasus stubs to an Azerbaijani stub (I've reverted that one). Given the circumstances, I suggest that we keep the {{Azerbaijan-stub}} and I'll continue finding material to populate it properly. Creation of additional -bio-stubs for Georgia and Azerbaijan can always be done later if/when enough material exists. We also need to decide if the generic Caucasus-categories should be deleted since all three countries now have a stub. If we delete the generic Caucasus ones, we need to decide if these stubs should belong to Europe or Asia. The Georgian one seems to be swayed towards Europe, but I'm open to suggestions. Valentinian ^(talk) 01:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

comment: Category:Georgia (country) geography stubs was deliberately named that way because of the obvious problemsof confusion with Category:Georgia (U.S. state) geography stubs. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 05:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Update I've sorted the last part of the generic categories. The Azerbaijan-stub is now up to 67 articles, so in my book, it is clearly needed. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok regarding the Georgian one, but in that case, the two Georgian stub categories should be named more consistently. The Azerbaijani one should also be given a "proper" stub category. It is now up to 70 articles btw, so it clearly fills a hole in the system. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

If I don't hear any protests, I'll create the proper category and add the stub to WP:WSS/ST one week from now. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

No opposition having emerged, I'm creating a proper category and adding it to WP:WSS/ST Valentinian ^(talk) 18:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

{{Marine life-stub}} & Category:Marine life stubs

Created to go with Wikipedia:WikiProject Marine life, but largely superfluous, since all such organisms can already be stubbed by classification {{plant-stub}}, {{fish-stub}}, {{invertebrate-stub}}, etc. This would therefore only lead to double-stubbing. The whole caboodle (project, portal, stub, categories, etc.) seems to be the work of a single editor. --Stemonitis 05:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - this slams sideways into the hierarchy which is split by phylum and class - this covers several kingdoms. Don't see any reason this one should be kept. And even if it was kept the template would need a rename. Grutness...wha? 07:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

{{Australia-settler-stub}} / Category:Australia settler stubs

We created this a week or so ago. I made a category for settlers of Australia and another person, User:Thebainer, who read my discussion on the Australian noticeboard made the Australia-settler-stub and stub category. We didn't know it was that necessary to undergo a global review process and didn't see the notice. I updated the stub sorting project's notice on stub categories so this is actually noticeable! I hope we can keep this stub regardless, even though it has only 2 articles in it at present. Because Australian has only been settled 200 years there is a lot of recent information about settlers and in Australia they are practically all notable. What do you think? Donama 04:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

• ISTR discussion about stubs for early settlers a few months back, and they were generally thought to be OK as long as they were on an individual country basis. So the main stumbling block here might be the number of articles. We would have asked for a guaranteed 50-60 stubs before okaying the stub type, but if this category's likely to grow to that sort of size fairly soon (i.e. the next couple of months) there shouldn't be too many problems. Be warned though - if it still has only a handful of stubs after that time it is likely to be nominated for deletion! Grutness...wha? 08:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Ps - I fixed the template so that it conforms to the usual way stub templates are written (NEVER "noinclude" the stub category!). It may be worth changing the template to the more usual Category:Australian settler stubs, too, but we'll see if there are other opinions on that one before making any change. Grutness...wha? 08:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 18:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

{{StarTrek-ep-stub}} / Star Trek episode stubs

These were both created a few days ago and currently contain 1 stub. These are recreations (albeit with different wording) of {{ST-ep-stub}} and its associated category, which were both upmerged to {{StarTrek-stub}} as per the SFD decision here. --TheParanoidOne 10:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

...which makes it speediable, no? Grutness...wha? 10:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete per Grutness Valentinian ^(talk) 11:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Taken out back and shot. Doesn't even appear to have been any "delegated" or "local" discussion of this on the WPJ (where I'll leave a note about this). Alai 23:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

April 2006

Cat:Brandenburg geography stubs / {{Brandenburg-geo-stub}}

• Created yesterday as a child of {{Germany-geo-stub}}. Since the parent category was only split a month ago, and there weren't 60 then (I can't remember the exact count), I don't think this will reach threshold now. I suggest we leave it for the moment, but have it feed into Category:Germany geography stubs. --Stemonitis 10:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

135 stubs, added to stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Slovenian people stubs / {{Slovenia-bio-stub}}

• Created yesterday without consulting WP:WSS/P. Originally used on 10 articles. I've populated it and it is now up to 125 articles (so it is seems to have been a good idea.) The parent stub is now down to 36 stubs, but it serves as a holder of the -bio-stub. Valentinian ^(talk) 18:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
  • In fact, it was proposed. Conscious 13:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Shoot me :) You are right of course. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Mexico-singer-stub}}/Category:Mexican singer stubs

Created 10 December 2005 without a proposal (that I can see). It seems well formed and currently has 45 articles. Probably worth keeping to help thin out {{singer-stub}}. --Bruce1ee 09:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Up to 51 stubs, and already on stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 00:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Thailand-bio-stub}} / Category:Thai people stubs

Created on March 23, used on 92 articles. A good idea, I've listed it. Conscious 13:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Digitaldivide-stub}} / Category:Digital Divide stubs

Created on 29th March, used in 2 articles. I think this is too narrow.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

And one of them is a full article, so it is effectively used on one stub. Strong delete. Valentinian ^(talk) 20:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

this one looks like sfd-stuff to me. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 01:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

{{US-rail-bio-stub}} / Category:United States rail biography stubs

Found this one today, created April 1, but it helps reduce {{US-rail-stub}} by about a hundred articles. Slambo (Speak) 21:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Tintin-stub}} / Category:Tintin stubs

Created 31 January; 21 stubs; a child of the overlarge Comics stubs. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Taken to SFD for either rescoping upwards or deleting. Caerwine Caerwhine 02:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Hindu-myth-stub}} / Category:Hindu mythology stubs

"helpfully" made by user:Dangerous-Boy but already covered by {{hinduism-stub}} which only has about 600 stubs. not really needed. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Sent to SFD in April and placed on stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Poland-band-stub}} / Category:Polish musical group stubs

Created 8 April 2006 without a proposal. It currently has 44 articles. Worth keeping as this could grow. --Bruce1ee 07:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• This has grown to 59, so I've listed it. --Bruce1ee 14:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Cyprus-geo-stub}} / Category:Cyprus geography stubs

Created without proposal 7 April 2006. Used on 40 articles. Valentinian ^(talk) 17:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

No surprise - I've been expecting this one for ages. Currenly below threshold, but with a group of fervent editors. Weak keep on this one, since it looks well formed and it's likely to grow to 65 fairly rapidly. There were 43 Cypriot geo-stubs in my last tally - eight of them haven't been moved into here, so this category will have 48 stubs in a couple of minutes. Grutness...wha? 01:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I have created this stub because in the category cyprus stubs there was a template which was saying: "This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting. Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates." I just followed this instruction. Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals Personally I have purposed this stub (i was 81.4.163.134) but unfortunatelly my purpose was deleted by the rever of User:Bruce1ee.

I also provide you the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting and then see how big is cyprus stub, which is a mess. (User:KRBN Talk?) 12:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the reversion of your edit to WP:WSS/P was wrong (probably an accident), but it still wouldn't have told us anything - all it said was "See cyprus-stub". Cyprus-stub leads to a small stub category - they're generally only split when they have about 600 stubs or more in them. We've still got some waiting to be split with over 2000 stubs. A category with only 200 or so stubs is not really an urgent split at all. And it certainly isn't a mess - it's actually a very reasonable category and quite nicely maintained, by the looks of it. If you want to see the sort of category that does qualifty as a mess needing urgent splitting, you should have a look at some of the categories on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/To do. Grutness...wha? 11:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I did revert 81.4.163.134's edits on 7 April because a huge chunk of the page had been blanked [1]. I didn't however notice that a valid proposal had also been made and I apologise that it was deleted. --Bruce1ee 11:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Up to 68 stubs, so I've added it to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Building-stub}}

created by a newbie along with Category:Building Stubs. I've deleted the category and turned the template into a redirect to our long-used {{struct-stub}} --anonymous--

And the redirect has also been deleted, probably as a speedy since it had been deleted before. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{SchleswigHolstein-geo-stub}} / Category:Schleswig-Holstein geography stubs

Created by Markussep, a prodigious German geography contributor, and already filled with over 50 articles. There's no doubt that this will be needed. --Stemonitis 07:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks well-formed. No doubt you're right about it usefulness, too. Seems to be a keeper. Grutness...wha? 07:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Now up to 87 articles. Never underestimate a Danish historian :) Valentinian ^(talk) 10:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Markus is populating it as well, and now up to 100. I've taken the liberty of listing it on WP:WSS/ST. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Catholic-stub}}

I was guessing as to what the stub would be for Roman Catholic stub, so I tried this. When I found out that it existed, but didn't look like a regular stub, so I checked it out. It looks like it's only linked on one page, here. So, it was supposed to be deleted, but wasn't. At least there are no articles that use it... Amalas 13:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Redirected to {{RC-stub}}. Conscious 14:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • A follow-up on that: it wasn't actually listed for deletion before - it was mentioned at SFD as a potential new name for RC-stub, but was turned down since not all Catholics are Roman Catholic. {{Catholic-stub}} is a new one that's only been around about a week. Grutness...wha? 04:27, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Added to redirect list. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Mascot-stub}}

I speedy-deleted the empty category before I realsied there was a template...which didn't link to the category. Seems to have quite a few stubs, but if kept it needs a category. One that it connects to. Grutness...wha? 06:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Added to stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Luxembourg-bio-stub}} / Category:Luxembourgish people stubs

Created one month ago. No parent category but looks well formed. I've populated the stub and it's now up to 63 articles. A keep to me. 23:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Make that 73 now :) Valentinian ^(talk) 23:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

{{Postal-stub}} / Category:Postal stubs

Quite sensible-sounding, but only used on seven. Any idea if this will be size-viable? Alai 23:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

any chance of a merger with philately-stub, which IIRC is also undersized? Grutness...wha? 05:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually that one has exactly 60 articles, but I like the idea. Merge to this category, I assume? (Or an explicitly "and stamps" one?) Alai 06:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

mm. not sure. Maybe worth arguing out which one gets to stay or whether a renamed umbrella is needed over at sfd. Grutness...wha? 07:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I hesitate to slap SFD notices on both, thereby causing two sets of enraged locals (with pikes, pitchforks, burning torches, etc) to descend upon us. Maybe I could try to be really sneaky, and merely "innocently" suggest "renaming" them both to Category:Post stubs? :) Alai 07:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Sent to SFD and kept with an upmerged category. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Wales-footybio-stub}} / Category:Welsh football biography stubs

New, unproposed, small. Alai 04:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It is now up to 52 articles. Let's give it a bit more time. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

US writer subcats

The following have recently appeared on the stub type list:

• Category:United States science fiction writer stubs - {{US-sf-writer-stub}}
• Category:American novelist stubs - {{US-novelist-stub}}
• Category:American journalist stubs - {{US-journalist-stub}}

These may be useful - I don't know, I haven't done any counts - but at least one (preferably two) of them need their categories renamed. Grutness...wha? 10:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe these were created by Alai. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#US_writer_sub-stubs. Her Pegship 20:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

May 2006

Category:Greek mythology stubs

Talking of matters mythic, what's going on with this category? It's tiny, but has been around for months. (I assume it was never actually proposed, but it sounds sensible enough in theory.) Anyone fancy populating it, or should I drag it off to SFD for upmerging, since it's certainly not growing "organically". Alai 17:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

That's quite astonishing... I'll see what other stubs I can scrounge up for it, but at the moment it's useless. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Two minutes work and it's up to 197 stubs! (The two minutes work was fixing the "noinclude" someone had added to the template!) Grutness...wha? 01:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah! Now that I didn't think to check... It's amazing the bespoke code that people get it into their heads to add to templates, without evident signs of knowing what they're doing. (Not that I know what I'm doing in wikicode either, but then again I try to avoid doing such "novel" stuff.) So why were there any articles in the category, were they being included by direct cat-coding, or another template...? Alai 17:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

{{Orthadox-stub}} / Category:Orthadox stubs

Came across this one stub sorting in Category:Stubs. Horrible misspelling and repeat of {{Orthodoxy-stub}}. Speedy delete please... Amalas =^_^= 14:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

And it's linked to Category:religeon stubs (the last part of this sentence has been removed by the censors). Taking them all to SFD. Valentinian ^(talk) 15:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)