Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries/Archive10

{{Portugal-royal-stub}} / (no category)

And it's orphaned redirect {{Portugal-noble-stub}}. Used on 35 articles. Used to have the category Category:Portuguese nobility, but I changed that to Category:European nobility stubs so it's atleast a stub category. If it's to be kept, it ought to be cleared up whether it's for royalty or nobility (the name indicates royalty, everything else nobility). --Mairi 04:07, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Should be cleared up (do we have any Portuguese nobility experts who could help with that here at WSS?), but probably useful. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

{{Cfl-stub}}

As a follow-up to the last item, JB82 is also responsible for Cfl-stub, which is for the Canadian Football League. It currently has 16 stubs, every single one of which is actually a sportbio-stub. Admittedly, there is not any other stub for Canadian Football (which, as I understand it, is as separate sport related to but not identical to American Football), but I don't think there's going to be a huge influx to this one. Come to think of it, why there should be a stub type for one particular league rather than for the sport as a whole is a bit of a mystery. CaFootball-stub would almost certainly have been somewhat more useful. Grutness...wha? 09:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

{{Webcomic-author-stub}}

Was going to put this on SFD, but there is WikiProject Webcomics that it's associated with. Still not sure it'll get much use, and it still needs a category. (Why do so many wikiprojects not mention stubs here, or atleast create the stub and category correctly?) --Mairi 06:49, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm getting around to it! It's my first stub creation. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 02:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Getting around to it? Note the procedure for stub type creation: propose it on WP:WSS/P first, then let it be debated a week, then create the stub if there is no opposition. Since part 3's been done, how come you're onluy "getting round to" part 1? Grutness...wha? 07:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

{{UK-bank-stub}} and {{UK-retail-stub}}

• {{UK-bank-stub}} - no category, not very nicely formatted, and only three members. Morwen - Talk 21:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
• {{UK-retail-stub}} - made by same person. Morwen - Talk 21:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

UK-retail-stub is mentioned on Proposals, altho no decision was reached.--00:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

• • I've regularised these in terms of categories now. Morwen - Talk 08:09, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

{{Germany-university-stub}} / Category:Germany university stubs

Created today by Jengod (talk • contribs), used in 14 articles. --Sherool 19:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

This one should be OK though. Grutness...wha? 00:00, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

{{Taiwan-university-stub}} / Category:Republic of China university stubs

Created today by Jengod (talk • contribs), used in 16 articles. --Sherool 19:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

{{Image-Comics-stub}}/Category:Image Comics stubs

Created by User:Kross a week ago, without consultation either here or at WP:CMC. Currently has 22 articles, less the template itself and WP:CMC/T. - SoM 15:19, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

{{Theology-stub}}

Also created today, lacks a category, used on 1 article. I'm not sure about the usefulness of having a general theology stub... --Mairi 06:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Might be worth keeping around as a redirect for {{reli-stub}}. Also might be worth examining Category:Religion stubs to see how many might go in a separate Category:Theology stubs. Caerwine 04:31, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Newly discovered, November 2005

{{NZ-school-stub}} / Category:New Zealand school stubs

Created today, used on 1 article. The size of Category:Schools in New Zealand makes me doubt it's needed at present, althought it could be... --Mairi 03:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

This one could well grow - give it a month or two, see how it looks. Grutness...wha? 00:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

{{HK-corp-stub}} / Category:Hong Kong corporation stubs

Created today, used on 59 articles. Corp-stub is generally by type, but there's a few country ones also. --Mairi 07:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

• Super-belated comment: wouldn't avoiding the abbreviation be preferable? I'd not gnash my teeth at a redirect as above. Alai 03:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • HKs one of the few abbreviations we dont seem to do much about, like NZ , UK and US. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 04:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

{{Marketing-stub}} / Category:Marketing stubs

Created today, unused. Given the size of the main category, it might be useful, but {{business-stub}} is quite small. --Mairi 01:10, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

While marketing is a business topic, marketing topics are not directly business or advertising topics. The parent of {{ad-stub}} should be {{marketing-stub}} as advertising is a marketing topic. Adraeus 08:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Organic/Inorganic compound start

This one's a weird one. One of the Chemistry wikiprojects - bless them - have acted in true scientific fashion and started grading their stubs into stubs and almost-stubs, with {{Organic-compound-start}} and {{inorganic-compound-start}} for things which are almost - but not quite - stubs. Scarily, this whiffs of {{substub}} in reverse. Surely we don't need to start grading stubs into categories according to how near to being a full article they are? Grutness...wha? 03:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

• (See also {{Organometallic-compound-start}} This might actually have some value. We stub sorters would place articles we find that are appropriate into the stub types and then the people in the Wikiproject would then turn them into articles with the format the Wikiproject expects, but don't have all the info they would expect a minimally complete article to have into starts which would no longer be stubs and thus not our problem. I'm not happy about the terminology, but it's also the terminology that the Wikipedia 1.0 project has chosen to adopt. It shouldn't be a problem in this casesince I can't see these articles getting dual-stubbed. The only problem would be if we start getting other Wikiprojects that have a wide enough focus to start applying the system to stuff that would get dual-stubbed. Caerwine 06:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• Argh. Strong above my pay grade. Alai 06:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

{{Experimental-music-stub}} & Category:Experimental music stubs

Left a message on the talk page of the creator about this one. The template is well formed. The category needs to be given the appropriate parent categories. The genre, experimental music, appears to be well-enough defined as to be useful. My only concern about this one is whether there enough stubs to justify a new stub type. Caerwine 05:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

This one's probably worth keeping, at least for the time being (see if it's used much). The genre's certainly well-enough defined for a separate category. Grutness...wha? 07:27, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

{{Ballpark-stub}} / Category:Ballpark stubs

Created today; used once. Template specifies it's for baseball parks but ballpark redirects to stadium. Do we need or want to split {{Stadium-stub}} by type, or should this be redirected (or deleted)? --Mairi 05:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect, unless this is a lot more more splittable than it sounds. Alai 06:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Not a very good split at all. There are about 300 stadium stubs, the biggest group by far have been soccer stadia. And since a large proportion have also been multi-use stadia (not an easy one to split off), I don't see Ballpark-stub as being that useful at the moment. In any case, splitting stadia by location is probably a more sensible split. There's be enough for a US-stadium-stub, and a Euro-stadium-stub, for instance. Grutness 13:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

{{Warhammer-40,000-stub}} / Category:Warhammer 40,000 stubs

Created today, used on 15 articles. Given the size of Category:Warhammer 40,000 and its children, it's possible that this is viable, although the name could perhaps be better. --Mairi 06:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• This was already deleted (as something like WH40K-stub, I think?) due largely to being chronically undersized. Probably more due to under-sorting than lack of (admittedly somewhat crufty) scope, as you observe. Eyeball it for a while... Alai 06:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

{{Minnesota-stub}} / red link category

Found it today, but it has only one stub. If people think it worth keeping a watch on to see if it'll grow, I'll add a category (we do have several other state level stubs after all) if not someone can send it to SfD. Caerwine 23:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

We've been deleting any that don't have associated wikiprojects and keeping any that do have. Is there a WP Minnesota? Grutness...wha? 00:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Not according to WikiProject U.S. states They list only California, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Texas, Vermont, and Wisconsn as having Wikiprojects. Caerwine 05:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

{{TV-movie-stub}} & Category:Television movie stubs

Created Sunday, this one's fairly self explanitory and might be worth keeping. The TV stubs do need reorganizing, in part to clear up that 13 page category, but I'm not certain this is the approach we want to use. Caerwine 23:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

{{Moldova-bio-stub}} / Category:Moldovan people stubs

Created today, used on 1 articles. Looks well formed, although I'm not sure it'd get much use. --Mairi 03:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Restubbing Category:Moldova-related stubs brought this up to 16 stubs. I'm inclined to give it a chance for a month or so, and if not, yank it. Caerwine 06:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

{{porn-film-stub}} / Category:Pornographic film stubs

Created on November 13, used by 1 article. After some searching on Google, I don't think it will be used very much.

The creating user also made {{short-film-stub}} and Category:Short films stubs the same day, but I overlooked them, as they seemed promising to me. I'm just mentioning them here in case anyone else wants to take a look at them. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 02:18, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Place it on the back burner for now. While Category:Pornography stubs is only a little under 500 stubs (with 300-400 of those probably being suitable for a {{porn-actor-stub}} judging by the name, Category:Film stubs is currently our largest stub category with 24 pages of stubs. We can afford to wait until someone is ready to propose and undertake a split of the Film stubs to worry about possibly undersized stub categories that alleviate the problem. If after the film stubs have been sorted we can delete it then. Caerwine 05:36, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

{{Nutri-stub}}

Links to the main category, not it's own stub category. Created today and used once. Might be useful... --Mairi 06:38, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

{{Videogames journalism-stub}} & Category:Videogames journalism stubs

Created Monday and used 3 times so far. Might be worth keeping, but both the template and the category will need renaming, probably to {{cvg-journalism-stub}} & Category:Computer and video game journalism stubs. I've left the usual admonition on the user page, altho probably not as gracefully as Grutness will have done, since he's had so much practice at it. Caerwine 00:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Heh - possibly more so. The graceful tends top wear off after you've done a load of these. Silly question, but what exactly is Videogames journalism? Does it mean videogames reviewing (reviewing and journalism are related, but different), or videogame magazines (again, related but different)? Whichever it is, it should be named as such. I suspect it's for magazines, in which case a {{cvg-mag-stub}} / Category:Computer and video game magazine stubs might be a better name. Grutness...wha? 01:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The three stubs are for two magazines and one website. All three review and report on videogames, so the while the subject is not media specific, is is subject specific. Caerwine 04:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

mmm. In which case it cuts across categories... I'm a little less keen on it than I was. Grutness...wha? 06:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 06:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Dealing with November discoveries

All November discovries have been listed here for 2-3 months. It's time we decided what to do with them.

Template	Category	Articles	Listed	Problems	Suggested action
{{NZ-school-stub}}	Category:New Zealand school stubs	60	No		List
{{HK-corp-stub}}	Category:Hong Kong corporation stubs	64	No		List
{{Marketing-stub}}	Category:Marketing stubs	45	Yes	Parents, noinclude cat	SFD (merge with {{ad-stub}}?)
{{Organic-compound-start}}	Category:Incomplete organic compound articles	37	No	May not fall into WP:WSS scope	Either SFD, or forget
{{Inorganic-compound-start}}	Category:Incomplete inorganic compound articles	24	No	May not fall into WP:WSS scope	Either SFD, or forget
{{Experimental-music-stub}}	Category:Experimental music stubs	16	No	Parents, cat text	SFD
{{Ballpark-stub}}	Category:Ballpark stubs	25	No	Parents, cat text, stadiums should arguably be split by country instead	SFD
{{Warhammer-40,000-stub}}	Category:Warhammer 40,000 stubs	41	No	Parents	SFD
{{Minnesota-stub}}	-	2	No	Redlink cat	SFD
{{TV-movie-stub}}	Category:Television movie stubs	86	No	{{tv-stub}} is split by country	SFD?
{{Moldova-bio-stub}}	Category:Moldovan people stubs	29	No		SFD (merge to {{Moldova-stub}}?)
{{porn-film-stub}}	Category:Pornographic film stubs	35	No	Parents	SFD
{{Nutri-stub}}	-				already on SFD
{{Videogames journalism-stub}}	Category:Videogames journalism stubs	4	No	Parents	SFD

Conscious 12:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Agree on the two keeps. Marketing-stub can probably be fixed and kept, too. I'm in two minds about the TV-movie one, but all the others are SFD-worthy, or close enough that a vote there is a reasonable option. Grutness...wha? 13:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• I've nominated Marketing-stub and TV-movie-stub as well, see my thoughts at WP:SFD. Conscious 11:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)