Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Battle of Greece

Battle of Greece edit

Prior peer-review here.

Hmmmm ... I got rusty here ... I even forgot how to submit a peer-review! Anyway ... This is not the first peer-review of the article. User:Periklis* was the first to improve the article, and bring it to A-Class status. The article owes a lot to him! Next goal? FA of course! And it is my first military battle article! I know it is not "there" yet. Further improvements needed. For instance I haven't yet managed to verify note 117 etc. But I thought it is time for further feedback, especially after an extensive rewriting, two external copy-edits (by Awadewit and Ceoil), and the addition of maps made by French Wikipedia user Aeleftherios, and translated by Raymond Palmer (I am grateful to all these users). So, ready to listen to your suggestions ...--Yannismarou 21:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 edit

Pretty good article all round. Some comments:

"Defense and attack forces": The caption on the picture of Blamey, Wilson and Freyberg says "Lieutenant General Sir Thomas Blamey, commander of the 6th Australian Division". He wasn't at this time; Blamey had handed over command of the 6th Division to Iven Mackay in March 1940. In Greece, Blamey commanded I Corps.

Corrected.--Yannismarou 08:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Olympus and Servia passes": "Tubby" Allen (Australians would prefer his name that way rather than in full but it's your call) was only a brigadier; he was not promoted to Major General until August 1941.

Corrected as well.--Yannismarou 08:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blamey's name is mis-spelled "Blamney"

Corrected.--Yannismarou 08:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot accept the characterisation of the Olympus-Aliakmon line as "strongly fortified mountain positions". There were mountains alright but no pillboxes, belts of barbed wire, cleared killing zones, or minefields. It was just a position, resolutely held.

Rephrased, although the caracterization comes from an "official history" of the war (Long [1953]).--Yannismarou 10:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't Iven Mackay's name wiki-linked?

It is in a previous section.--Yannismarou 08:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "inadequacy of the British expeditionary force"? This needs to be clarified.

According to the sources that the Imperial force was small and inadequate to fight the German forces. Unfortunately not any argument can be analyzed in detail. I found more sources on this issue, and I will try to further enrich it with arguments. It is also explained above, when I mention that "The British did not have the necessary military resources in the Middle East to permit them to carry out simultaneous Iarge-scale operations in North Africa and the Balkans."--Yannismarou 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from what happened in Britain, the campaign caused a furor in Australia, when it became known that Prime Minister Menzies was told that Blamey had approved and Blamey that Menzies had approved. Blamey noted that Field Marshal Dill, the CIGS, was wholely in favour of the operation, which Blamey felt carried grave risks. The size of the German force (not all of which was actually sent to Greece) was known in advance by the British through ULTRA.

Very interesting point! I made some edits in "Assessments". Please check them, comment on my edits, and make yourself or propose any changes you regard as worthy.--Yannismarou 10:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 09:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oberiko edit

Was the Battle of Crete considered separate from the Greek campaign (Battle of Greece)? My understanding was that the Battle of Crete was the last battle in the larger Greek campaign (which itself was a sub-campaign of the Balkans Campaign), rather then a subsequent military operation.
Two images for the Battle of Crete is one to many, especially when their piled up beside each other like that. I'd recommend removing the map since that is better left on the main article for the Battle of Crete.
I'd like a few sources for the statement "Some historians regard the German campaign in Greece as decisive in determining the course of World War II, maintaining that it fatally delayed the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union". I've read that myself as well, but "some historians" comes across somewhat weaselish. In my opinion, I think it'd be better to state "According to historian/notable person X 'The Battle of Greece delayed the Soviet invasion.'"
The Greco-Italian war should be a "main article" under the Greco-Italian War heading Oberiko 14:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]