Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Soviet cruiser Marshal Voroshilov

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Soviet cruiser Marshal Voroshilov edit

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Nominator(s): Kges1901 (talk)

This article continues my series on Kresta-II class cruisers, and is about a ship which served a fairly uneventful twenty years with the Pacific Fleet. It passed a GA review several months ago. Kges1901 (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AustralianRupert edit

Support: Looks good, Kges, I have a few comments/suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 11:46, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

external links work, and there are no dabs (no action required)
the images lack alt text, and although it isn't a requirement, it can improve the experience for some readers: [1]
in the lead, before another Indian Ocean cruise between 1979 and 1980... --> "before undertaking another Indian Ocean cruise between 1979 and 1980"?

Done

the Cold War is mentioned in the lead, but not the body of the article

Done

particularly the United States Navy fleet... --> "particularly the United States Navy's fleet..."?

Done

slightly inconsistent: Khabarovsk was decommissioned on 29 October in the body v. "Decommissioned:3 October 1992" in the infobox

Resolved

However, before the ships began to be built... --> "before construction began"?

Done

state tests in the Baltic... --> sea trials? Also, suggest linking "Baltic" here

Done

The ship was assigned to the 201st Anti-Submarine Warfare Brigade of the fleet's 10th Operational Squadron on 11 June, based at Zolotoy Rog... --> "Following the ship's arrival in the Far East, it was assigned to the 201st Anti-Submarine Warfare Brigade of the fleet's 10th Operational Squadron on 11 June, based at Zolotoy Rog"?

Done

She operated in the Indian Ocean in 1975 and 1976: what tasks did the ship complete during this time? I assume they were just routine patrols, but it might pay to state this if the sources say?

Nothing in sources.

enemy submarines: probably best to say "Western" or something similar, rather than use a potentially loaded term

Done

burned until the next day, burning: is there a way to avoid repeating "burned" and "burning" here?

Rephrased

pronounced list to port: suggest linking "port" here

Done

there is some mixture of the English variation, for instance "draught" (British) but also "millimeter" (US)

Removed US spellings

Marshal Voroshilov collided with the refrigerated cargo vessel: was there any damage?

Not stated in source.

in the Bibliography, the hyphenation of the ISBNs is inconsistent

Done

in the Bibliography, is there an ISBN or OCLC for the Berezhnoy work?

Done

in the Bibliography, "Morskaya kollektsiya" --> is there an English translation for this?

Done

image licencing looked ok, except I couldn't see where on the source link it attributed "File:Soviet cruiser Marshal Voroshilov 1990.jpg" to a US Navy employee?

Added link to archives.gov which states that it is a Navy work because it is in the files for Navy photographs.

Support ~~Comments~~

"a complement of 343" - a reader might wonder "343 what?"

Done.

Link steam turbine, Surface-to-air missile, Far East, oil tanker, destroyer, frigate, aircraft carrier, South China Sea, Refrigerated cargo ship, Angle of list

Done

What kind of ship was the WWII-era Voroshilov?

Done

There's excess white space in the 1970s section

Done

I'd recommend adding the countries to the ports the ship visited - most readers won't know where Massawa or Berbera are, for instance.

Done

Where was Ilyin when he was in a car accident? Not many cars aboard ships ;)

Done

"23 August" - what year? I'd assume some point after her decommissioning on 29 October 1992

Done

"the hull was subsequently scrapped there." - when? The box says 1994. Parsecboy (talk) 17:05, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After the fire is all the info given, so I'll modify the infobox accordingly.

CommentsSupport by PM edit

This article is in great shape. A few comments from me:

in the lead, "class cruiser of the Soviet Navy" with link

Done. Thanks for spotting a glaring error.

suggest changing the conversions to ftin rather than decimal feet. Body and infobox.

Done.

number of shafts in the infobox isn't given in the body

Done.

any info available about the locations of the guns and TTs?

Yes. Do you think this should be presented in prose or by a diagram?

I think it can be adequately presented in prose. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:42, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Kges1901 (talk) 00:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

can you work in a link to anti-submarine warfare somewhere early on?

Done

suggest "by the World War II cruiser Voroshilov"

Done

state where Zhdanov Shipyard is

Done

link ship commissioning

Done

perhaps state that Zolotoy Rog is on the Sea of Japan?

Done

suggest "Between August 1988 and April 1989" as it currently jars a little

Done

That's me done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:03, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on this. Supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source and image review edit

The sources all appear to be reliable and of good quality, although I can't speak for the Russian sources no red flags appeared when I googled the publishing houses. Recent sources as well as Conway's have been consulted. A search of Google Books didn't turn up anything obvious that might hold more information about this ship. For FAC, I suggest taking a look at a few articles that come up on a Google Scholar search for "Kresta II cruisers" that appear to talk more about the purposes for which the class was built in terms of Soviet naval strategy, although this might be better for the class article than for individual ship ones. The images are all PD-US Govt of one type or another. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:28, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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