Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Kodandera M. Cariappa

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No consensus to promote at this time - AustralianRupert (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 10:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC) « Return to A-Class review list[reply]

Kodandera M. Cariappa edit

Nominator(s): Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk)

I nominate this article for A-Class review. It passed the GA review by Sturm, and I believe that the article is comprehensive enough to meet the A-class criteria. I eventually want to be it a featured article. Coming to the intro, Cariappa was the first Indian commander-in-chief (C-in-C) of the Indian Army. He led Indian forces on the Western Front during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947. He is one of only two Indian Army officers to hold the five-star rank of field marshal; the other being Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 12:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Kees08 edit

Hello there. I reviewed the images for copyright tagging. I believe File:Field_Marshal_of_the_Indian_Army.svg may be improperly tagged, it does not match its peers, and really the way it is tagged is vexing. If it is 'own work' as the author states, the copyright label should match the other images I think. Kees08 (Talk) 19:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kees08: Fixed. Sorry for the delay. --Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 05:53, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by AustralianRupert edit

G'day, nice work so far. I have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 04:04, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"...DAQMG of 10 Indian Division": move the link to the 10th to here from the later link
"He served in Iraq, Iran and Syria in 1941–1942 and then in Burma": link the various campaign articles here
this needs a citation: "In June 1923, Cariappa was transferred to the 1/7 Rajputs, which became his permanent regimental home."
"the courses he attended in Small Arms School (SAS) and the Royal School of Artillery (RSA)..." --> "the courses he attended at the Small Arms School (SAS) and the Royal School of Artillery (RSA)..."
the use of ordinal suffixes is inconsistent in the article, for instance "10th Division", but also "52 Rajputs" etc.
"...and the Fourteenth Army was placed under it": link Fourteenth Army
there is something missing here: "was appointed as deputy chief of the general staff with..." (after "with")
"worsening situation in Kashmir": link the conflict here
"... three subsequent attacks – Operations KIPPER, EASY and BISON": is there an article that could be linked here for these operations?
- Unfortunately these articles are not available. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 09:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I found Operation Easy which redirects to Military operations in Poonch (1948). Added this for you. Other redirects might be suitable for the other operations (for instance to sections of Indo-Pakistani War of 1947, potentially). Can you please check? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Much better, thank you. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"...capture the Naushera, Jhangar, Poonch, Zojila, Dras, and Kargil areas": link the areas if they haven't already been linked.
"... Cariappa, Shrinagesh, and...": remove the link to Shrinagesh here as it has already been included in an earlier paragraph
"Though the National Cadet Corps was already formed in 1948..." --> "Though the National Cadet Corps had already been formed in 1948..."
inconsistent caps: "the Army" v. "the army"
"spread over an unscathed period...": I'm not sure what you mean by "unscathed" here
"During the 1965 war, his son K C Cariappa": remove the link to the son (as it has already been included earlier, but add a link to the article about the 1965 war
- As far as I have observed, there is no link to his in the earlier paras. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 09:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I have fixed this for you now. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:05, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"General Ayub Khan himself contacted Field Marshal Cariappa": Cariappa was not a field marshal at that time
are there references/citations that could be added for the Awards and decoration section?
in the Citations (for example Citation # 9), "London-gazette.co.uk" should just be The London Gazette as that is the title of the work (i.e. it should be the same presentation as that used for instance with Citation # 7)
Currently the only book cited is that by Singh. For an A class article I would like to see more diverse sourcing. Is it possible to work in citations to some of the books in the Further reading section?

Will check on this. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 09:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

in the Citations, is there a publisher that could be added for Citation # 1?
in the Further reading section, is there an ISBN for the Seshagiri book?
in the Further reading section, Field Marshal Cariappa: The Man who Touched the Sky --> Field Marshal Cariappa: The Man Who Touched the Sky (title case capitalisation)

@AustralianRupert: Really sorry for the delay. I did not get a notification. Will work these up in a couple of days. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 16:11, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 22:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@AustralianRupert: Done. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 12:13, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

G'day, nice work. Most of my concerns have been addressed, but I remain concerned that the article doesn't utilise most of the literature on the topic. It still appears like there are quite a few books that haven't been reviewed (i.e. the books listed in the Further reading). Is it possible to order maybe two or three of them through your local library and add some refs to these? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 13:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reluctant oppose by Peacemaker67 Good work on this so far, but I'm afraid that, to be comprehensive and therefore meet the A2 criteria, this article needs to utilise the full range of sources available on the field marshal, some of which are in the Further reading section. Setting aside the biography written by his son, the other books in the Further reading section need to be used. I am also a bit concerned that this article is pretty hagiographical at present. Obviously he was an outstanding officer, but surely not everyone thought highly of him? I'd use FM Thomas Blamey as an example. If there is criticism of him, I'd expect to see it. Also, there are quite a few fragmented paras. I'd consolidate them into meaty paras of a reasonable length. I haven't gone through this in any detail, as I think the comprehensiveness issue means it doesn't meet the A-class criteria at present. I'd been keen to look at it in more detail once it has been expanded with the other sources. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:01, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@AustralianRupert and Peacemaker67: As of now I don't have access to any of the sources. Please archive this discussion for now. I'll get back to this, once I gain access to the sources from Further reading section. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 12:25, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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