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Italian battleship Conte di Cavour edit

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Italian battleship Conte di Cavour (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Another of my ill-fated ships, Conte di Cavour was mostly inactive during the war as the threat from submarines and mines was too high to safely operate battleships in the Adriatic World War I. She was intermittently active after the war until she was reduced to reserve in 1927. The ship was reconstructed in the mid-1930s with thicker armor, new propulsion machinery and enlarged guns. After Italy declared war on France in June 1940, Conte di Cavour participated in the Battle of Calabria the following month. After several unsuccessful attempts to intercept British convoys to Malta, the ship was torpedoed and badly damaged when British attacked Taranto in November. She was still under repair when the Germans captured her after the Italians concluded an armistice with the Allies in 1943. They made no effort to complete her repairs and Conte di Cavour sank after an Allied airstrike in 1945. Her wreck was broken up for scrap after the war. In preparation for an eventual FAC, I'd like reviewers to look for the usual suspects.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM edit

This article is in great shape. I only have a few pretty minor comments:

  • the sea trial speed isn't exactly the same as the infobox speed
  • specify in the body that the secondary and anti-torpedo boat guns were single mounts
  • once you've used millimetres once, you could just go with mm thereafter
    • To tell the truth, I actually like spelling them out.
  • in the Modifications and reconstruction section, the 76.2 mm guns were reduced to 13, did that include the new ones, or was that just the ones against torpedo boat threats?
  • "which increased her overall length"
  • drop the comma from "over three decks,"
  • suggest "Italian leader Benito Mussolini" and link to Duce
    • Good idea.
  • suggest "killing 20 civilians and wounding 32" if that is right?

That is all I could find, nice job. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:22, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA-5 edit

  • ships displaced 23,088 long tons (23,458 t) at normal load, and 25,086 long tons (25,489 t) at deep load Since when did the Italians use long tons in begin 1900s?
    • AFAIK, long tons remained oddly popular even in countries that were otherwise metric.
  • No LWL in the infobox?
    • It's not really useful enough to add to the infobox, IMO.
  • The speed doesn't match with the infobox?
  • Conte di Cavour class consisted of thirteen 305-millimeter Model 1909 guns No English units?
  • and six new 76.2-millimeter anti-aircraft (AA) guns What kind of guns?
    • Not entirely sure, which is why I didn't link them.
  • her displacement to 26,140 long tons (26,560 t) at standard load and 29,100 long tons (29,600 t) at deep load Long tons as primary unit?
  • All this armor weighed a total of 3,227 long tons (3,279 t) Same as above.
  • believed that Austro-Hungarian submarines and minelayers Link Austro-Hungarian.
  • In 1919 she sailed to North America and visited ports in the United States as well as Halifax, Canada Why exactly?
    • Beats me. Could have just been a more exotic than usual training mission.
  • escorting another from Naples to Benghazi, Libya Pipe Libya to Italian Libya.
  • attempted to intercept British convoys to Malta in August and September The island Malta or the island group?
    • Nobody of any significance goes to Gozo
  • Link the Allies.
  • The infobox has a lot of long tons as primary units?
    • Yep.

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:58, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking this over, CPA.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@CPA-5:--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks good to me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

  • Minor quibble: consistent ISBN style should be used.
  • All sources appear suitable and reliable.
  • No additional sources found.
  • If the article does get taken to FAC, the only change that could be recommended is to change the ref style of ref 24, "Bombardment of Corfu", to match the others. However, I don't see that as an issue for A-class. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 04:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • I tend not to put newspaper articles into my bibliography. Thanks for the review.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey Fiamh can you please confirm your support (or not) in the source review? If you do then we can promote it. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Support from Gog the Mild edit

  • "with most of her hull underwater, and her repairs were not completed" The second "her" is arguably redundant.
  • "but they could be positioned in 30 different locations" Possibly insert 'also' after "could".
  • "File:ONI Drawing of Conte di Cavour-class battleship.jpg" MOS:SANDWICHes the infobox.
    • Are you sure that you mean that one? That's down in the modifications section. I can see an argument being made for File:Conte di Cavour class main weapon.svg doing that, although it is the most logical place for that image, IMO.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No. I could see that there was nowhere to move "File:Conte di Cavour class main weapon.svg" to and so IARed it. On a couple of different devices "File:ONI Drawing of Conte di Cavour-class battleship.jpg" is an issue. Perhaps move it down one paragraph?
OK, but you must have some narrow screens ;-)--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was worst on my 24 inch. Not sure if that counts as narrow. I set my image preferences to 800 x 600 px, the middle of the five standard choices. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Around that same time she was equipped with" "that" → 'the'.
  • "Conte di Cavour bombarded the town" Now you and me know that the town in question must be Corfu, the capital of Corfu; but a casual reader may not. It may be helpful to specify, and to link to Corfu (city).
I think that you have missed my point/I wasn't clear enough. I have made some changes. Alter or delete them if you don't like them.
They're fine.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They were part of the 1st Battle Squadron, commanded by Admiral Inigo Campioni, during which they engaged" "during which" → 'when they' (or similar).
  • "At that same time" Is this a US convention? It reads like a typo to me: I would expect 'the', not "that".
    • No, just something that seems to have taken root in my head.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "when it was attacked by 21 Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers from the British aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious", along with several other warships" A possible misreading could be avoided by moving "along with several other warships" to immediately after "attacked".
  • "and incorporated some modifications based on lessons learned from the attack" Do we know the nature of these modifications?
  • "with an estimated six months work left to do on Conte di Cavour remaining" Perhaps rewrite this to flow a little better?

Very little for me to pick at. Nice one. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:57, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking this over; see if my changes are satisfactory. I'm not entirely satisfied with my wording so suggestions would be welcome.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The wording changes seem fine to me. At least, I can't offhand think how to improve them. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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