Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Brandenburg-class battleship

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Brandenburg-class battleship

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This is something of a milestone - the last battleship article of the German Empire to grace the MILHIST ACR page (and ironically, it's the one I found first, more than 12 years ago, that got me started writing these articles). But don't worry, there are a few battleships of the Nazi period that need to be improved and sent here, and of course there are plenty of other German warships to keep me busy for perhaps another 12 years. These ships are, I think, pretty interesting - the only German battleships sent abroad to do more than show the flag, and two of them ended up with the Ottoman Navy, where they had pretty lively (if ineffective) careers. Thanks to all who review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 14:09, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

CommentsSupport by CPA-5

Damn you're already working for over 12 years here? If you want I can be your work budy for another 12 years (with Sturm probably too). I think I'll be here for a pretty while too. Except if I'll start making a family in the near future, I have look if it is still possible to edit on Wikipedia. That supprises me every single time that you can combine both of them. Anyway, those ships wouldn't be written or reviewed by themselves. ;p

Ha, I registered in mid-2006, so I've actually been around for 13 years - my first edit to German battleship Bismarck was 13 years ago!

• Damn 13 years is a lot. You've to think, I just started with my life ;) Also just got my driving licence. See a whole world is open to me (in Belgium you only can drive at the age of 17 years and 9 months and at the practice exam you have to be at least 18 years old. Which makes sense because after you got your theory you have to wait at least 9 months before you can try to pass our god damn really hard practice exam. I know in the US you can drive from the ages between 14 years and 3 months to 17 years (which is too young in my opinion). Anyway I'll be here for a while. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

• In the infobox "Normal: 10,013 t (9,855 long tons)" Link "Normal" and both tonnes.
  • Done
• In the infobox "Full load: 10,670 t (10,500 long tons)" Link "Full load".
  • Done
• built for the German Kaiserliche Marine (Imperial Navy) Pipe German to the German Empire.
  • Done
• The now-Ottoman ships saw extensive service Pipe Ottoman to the Ottoman Empire.
  • Done
• The plan governed the size and composition of the German fleet Pipe German to the German Empire.
  • Done
• two-front war against France and Russia dominated Pipe Russia to the Russian Empire.
  • Done
• Some sentences use English units as primary units.
  • Fixed
• from small 2,500-long-ton (2,500 t) coastal defense Link both tonnes.
  • Done
• anged from 72.6 to 96.5 kilowatts at 67 volts Link kilowatts.
  • Done
• for a top speed of 16.5 knots (30.6 km/h; 19.0 mph) Is it possible to round the nought?
  • Not without rounding the 30.6 up to 31
• by C/01 semi-armor-piercing (SAP) shells Is there a link for "semi-armor-piercing"?
  • No, though there probably ought to be one that discusses the shell type, as it was a common one for the era
• United Kingdom, Italy, Russia, Austria-Hungary, the United States, France, and Japan Pipe/link Italy, Austria-Hungary and Japan to the Kingdom of Italy and the Empire of Japan.
  • Done
• In the summer of 1914, when World War I We cannot use seasons.
  • Fixed
• See British word like millimetre.
  • Fixed
• and115.7 m (379 ft 7 in) long overall Need a space in this sentence.
  • Good catch

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:55, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks as always. Parsecboy (talk) 18:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

CommentsSupport by PM

I've reviewed at least one of these ships at ACR before, but haven't looked at the class article, so I have a few comments:

• suggest The Brandenburg-class was a groupconsisted of four pre-dreadnought battleships
  • Paired with the suggestion below, I think this works better - I was trying to come up with a way to include the ship class link but what I produced wasn't as good as that ;)
• suggest "The four ships of the class" to restore the ship class link
• link guard ship in the lead
  • Done
• Genera? l
  • Fixed
• began to thirty years of age?
  • Missing a "reach"
• made the same conclusions→came to the same conclusions
  • Done
• comma after "and increased coal storage"
  • Done
• the range doesn't match between the body and infobox
  • Fixed
• the number of secondary guns doesn't match between the body and infobox, and "an eighth gun was added" doesn't match the six mentioned earlier in the body
  • Fixed - there was some confusion between sources as to the number of guns initially carried, and that got partially fixed when I rewrote the article with Nottelmann and Dodson, but apparently not entirely
• comma after "The first two ships, Brandenburg and Wörth"
  • Fixed
• suggest putting the belt range in the infobox
  • Done
• link Eight-Nation Alliance
  • Done

That's all I have. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks as always. Parsecboy (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

No worries, supporting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:53, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

the sources are all of high quality and reliable. Just wondering if the Further reading books add anything, or do they just repeat what is already cited in the article? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:02, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

The Grießmer book doesn't belong - it's focused on the dreadnoughts built later. Weir adds detail on the political and industrial context in which these ships were built that we don't really have room to discuss in the article. I haven't tracked down a copy of Koop & Schmolke - I'd assume it's fairly redundant to Nottelmann, but having not read it, I prefer to err on the side of including it. Parsecboy (talk) 09:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66

• Link fire support in the lede to Naval gunfire support
  • Done
• Tell the reader that MRK stands for Marine Ring Kanone
  • Done
• The engines were divided into their own engine rooms "each had their own compartment"?
  • That sounds better, but I left the link unpiped
• allow the turret to be able to rotate
  • Done
• Link barbette, centerline, magazine
  • Two of those were linked, but further down - what happens when you rewrite an article numerous times over 12 years ;)
• Watch roundings
  • Should be good now
    • Not so much, armor in the infobox, torpedo sizes, 300mm, 350mm and 30.5 cm are the ones that I noticed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
• enemy fire shells
  • Done
• C/92 barbette mount ??
  • I'm not sure what you're getting at here - Friedman calls them "C/92 barbette mounting"
    • My mistake, but you might want to explain the C/xx terminology--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:10, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
• The barbettes were hydraulically operated WTF? I think you mean turrets
  • Switched
• Germany, which arrived there in mid-August. "arriving in mid-August" ?
  • Works for me
• Nicely done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Sturm. Parsecboy (talk) 11:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

• G'day Nikkimaria, this nom is progressing well, if you have the time would you mind taking a look at the image licensing please? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:02, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Image review

• File:Amiral_Baudin_class_battleship_diagrams_Brasseys_1896.jpg: what is Barnes' date of death?
  • I knew you'd ask that, so I did some digging earlier today when I saw Peacemaker ping you - I so far haven't been able to track it down, but he wrote a book in 1866 and was the Director of Dockyards from 1872 to 1886 - I think it's safe to assume he died before 1949.
• File:SMS_Weissenburg_NH_47896.tiff: when/where was this first published? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:04, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • We don't have one - I've switched it to the standard NHHC template we've been using lately. Thanks Nikki. Parsecboy (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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