Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Khe Sanh/Archive 3

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Battle of Khe Sanh

Previous nominations here and here.

Listing nomination for RM Gillespie. Kirill Lokshin 17:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• Support Very good article-- with imrovement could be a future FA. --Pupster21 19:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Cla68 04:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong support. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up ®} 16:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: citation for the North Vietnamese casualty figure missing. clarify use of communist socialist and nationalist. being under the theleadership of the communist party doesn9't make the soldiers communists - not encyclopedic. 'Riddle of the Khe Sanh' has been disputed as non-encyclopedic in previous nomination. Where are the changes? Wandalstouring 20:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• PAVN casualty figures are given in the text and footnoted (Shulimson and Shore). The use of the term communist to denote the military forces of a socialist state is not meant to be indicative of the personal political inclinations of the individual soldiers, but of the leadership (political and military) of that state. As for changes to the "Riddle of Khe Sanh", there are none. Is the article well written, well annotated, and factually correct? These are the qualifications for an A-Class article. RM Gillespie 05:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• No. I did not find a footnote for the 9k total casualty figure. What you intented may be well meant, but communist has a well-defined meaning. If you want to use slang terms of the US armed forces, than prove your point, otherwise it is required to refer to the US site as 'the imperialists'. NLF did fight for an united and independent Vietnam, please prove that they were all communists or use another phrase and keep in mind that due to the Western hemispheres composition of colonial powers every fighter for independence had no choice, but gaining support from the socialist states. The term 'the riddle' has been criticised as unencyclopedic, please show that authorities use this or a similar term or rephrase it an encyclopedic form.

The article has an annotation issue and use of encyclopedic language is required to make it well written. Wandalstouring 14:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• The source is found in the last section of the section titled "Final Attacks" and is the lowest figure cited by the U.S. military (see explination in the following sentence). The title communist has a historically well-defined political/military meaning (see above) and is not a slang term.

Comparison with the term imperialist is meaningless. Communism/socialism is a distinct political/economic system that has an historical basis. Imperialism may have a loosely amalgamated set of beliefs shared by it practitioners, but it was never a coherent political system. Did the U.S./Australia/ROK/New Zealand etc, have imperialist designs in South Vietnam? Only in the dreams of the most hardened Marxist. Perhaps a better analogy would be the term "democratic forces", which would encompass the myriad political beliefs of its members (ranging from anarchists to fascists). Once again I stress the qualifications espoused by the project for an A-Class article. Is it well written, factually correct, and well cited. I do not believe that the terms "encyclopedic" or "style" appear in those qualifications. RM Gillespie 16:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

pray tell me communism is a coherent system. I corrected your unsourced number which was not supported by your sourced number. Wandalstouring 18:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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