Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/A-class review/Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery

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The result of the review is A-grade approved

Hannah Primrose, Countess of Rosebery

As it looks we need a new example for an A-class article, I have been looking for a suitable candidate. Er rab ee 10:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article needs infobox and persondata, but otherwise I'm really impressed. - Duribald 12:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does not need an info-box! They are ugly, unnecessary and contain only information which should be in the lead. Giano 12:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An A-class article that needs no boxes: Giano inter al. work pretty hard on their articles to set their formatting and presentation just-so, and a box would disrupt the page considerably. It is A-class, but let's leave the formatting like boxes and tags out of the consideration, please. Geogre 15:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I agree with Giano en Geogre, because infoboxes are considered to be standard practice. Some attempt at uniformity is desperately needed on an encyclopedia where everybody can apply their own style. Nevertheless, the article is so good, I think it deserves A-class status even without an infobox, as A-class articles are allowed to have some omissions from the agreed upon style. Therefore Support as nominator. Er rab ee 21:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, they are not "considered to be standard practice" at all, but left as a matter of preference to those editors who generally write and maintain a page - this does not signify ownership just an understanding that those who know the subject best are in a better position to form an opinion on the necessity of a box. In the above instance, not only would a box be out of keeping, all the information that would be in the box is in the first few lines of the lead - as it should be! Giano 08:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In developed bios they're standard practice. But I'm ready to support an A class rating anyway. You, should, however, include persondata in the article. - Duribald 10:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "persondata" (and more) is already explained at the begining of the lead. Giano 10:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

persondata (Click the link!) is a form of metadata that is added before the categories at the end of the article. It should be added to all biographies. It does not show in the article, but is used for other applications. - Duribald 13:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - would also make a good "template" article, as both of its major "faults" are fairly obvious and easily described, the lack of infobox and persondata. I don't think the article stands much of a chance of FA status without them, though. John Carter 17:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If that is true - the fact it can never be an FA is a major delight to me - as it was deliberatly written in such a way as it can never ne an FA - No, not because it does not have an info box. Neither am I bothered if it become "A Class", I long ago gave up on seeking Wikipedia's easily obtained but fickle prizes. It was written with the intention of being (so far) the world's only detailed biography of the subject. No biographer has yet "done" her - so at the moment it is unique. Neither of its "faults" matter a jot as neither are obligatory as dictated by the manual of style. Giano 18:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To somebody used to the mysteries of Persondata, as I assume the people are who're deploring its absence in this article, wouldn't it be simpler to just add it yourself? I assume there's a real point to it, though I'm a little hazy on what ("is used for other applications"; ok...), and not merely some formal requirement for some formal status? Nobody will object, in any case, to something that doesn't show up on the page, surely. But please no infobox. No, they're not standard practice in "developed bios". There are highly developed FA bios doing extremely well without the box. Bishonen | talk 21:23, 25 April 2007(UTC).

In truth I don't really want it to be "A Class" as it will just be one more thing for peole to knit-pick about when the criteria changes in three weeks time. No I don't own it, nor can I stop it, but I am sick of trying to maintain numerous pages to meet ever changing whims of the moment. It will still be the same page of the same use to the researcher if it is A, B or Z - FA or not. Giano 21:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong and enthusiastic support. Wow! What a great article! Giano, I warn you: nominate it for FA or I will do it! Seriously now, this is one of the most well-written articles I've ever read in Wikipedia. I don't know if some inconsistencies with MoS and some other minor issues (definitely not the lack of an infobox - I like them, but they are not a pre-condition for FA status) may prevent it from reaching FA status, but what matters is that this article is the definition of a "Great Article", which is much more important IMO from typical promotions. And articles like this one remind us from time to time that our true goals in Wikipedia is not to write "GAs" and "FAs" but "GrA"s.--Yannismarou 11:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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