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00:27, 7 May 2023 review of submission by Lydiafiddle edit

what is the format for an author article? Lydiafiddle (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lydiafiddle: there is no particular 'format', but like with any article, what you write must be supported by reliable published sources, and the subject must be shown to be notable. Also, you shouldn't write about yourself. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

00:50, 7 May 2023 review of submission by Mcr072780 edit

Hello, I am hoping someone is able to give me some more information on what needs to be improved on my article for stage actor Daniel Reichard.

It appears there is a problem with my citations. I reviewed the notability standards for entertainers and the subject fulfills the requirements, having starred in many noteworthy productions and performances.

I used mostly news article that demonstrated that the subject indeed appeared in the productions I listed, but I’m guessing that isn’t sufficient. Any help pointing me in the right direction would be very much appreciated. Mcr072780 (talk) 00:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mcr072780: it can be difficult to satisfy many of the special notability guidelines, in this case WP:NACTOR, without also satisfying the general WP:GNG one. By which I mean, if Reichard has appeared in genuinely "noteworthy productions and performances", then there will almost certainly be multiple independent and reliable secondary sources providing significant coverage of him. If there isn't, then perhaps his performances haven't been quite as noteworthy as you're contending. Which is another way of saying focus first and foremost on showing GNG notability, if you can. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mcr072780, what's required are references to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of Reichard. The New York Times source, for example, devotes only one sentence to him. Two of the Playbill sources mention Reichard only in their headlines. A third gives him a single sentence. Another mentions him fleetingly. The WKYC source is a three sentence blurb promoting an upcoming appearance in his home town. None of those sources are the sort of significant coverage required to show notability. Cullen328 (talk) 21:47, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

10:52, 7 May 2023 review of submission by Raves2023 edit

Hi, I was writing with an editor but now I cannot find it so I am rewriting... can someone help? I edit a draft and submitted it. I added all the sources and even numbers but now its not declined, it's blocked and something doesnt feel right. If someone can help, it will be great and also if I can be pointed to how I find the last topic I started, it will help. Thank you! Raves2023 (talk) 10:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Raves2023: one of the earlier threads you started is higher up on this page; the other has been archived and can now be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2023 April 30.
Just to be clear, this draft has been rejected as non-notable, and will not be considered further. No matter how much you edit the text, you cannot magic notability out of thin air. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing This is what I am asking and trying to find out, why is it's notability in question? what a magazine needs to be? how come other magazines are notable and this isnt? Raves2023 (talk) 06:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Raves2023: I really feel that we have bottomed out this debate already. Unless you have new and better sources which weren't earlier considered, please consider this matter concluded. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:42, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing I respect what you wrote but for me it isnt concluded. I understand you do not want to deal with it so I will try and ask for help and not bother you. Thank you for your time! Raves2023 (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Raves2023: I didn't say I don't want to deal with this; I meant that you are starting to raise points that were already covered earlier, such as WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.
Also, the draft has been rejected, and will therefore not be considered further, unless you can cite significantly better sources that weren't previously available. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing those were my words and I didnt mean it in a bad way... I dont understand why the citing as is arent good enough. Maybe the draft before I came to it wasnt good enough but now I think it is after the changes I made and I looked at other magazines (and I also know them, from some we are bigger) and it feels the new draft isnt getting the chance it deserves. Raves2023 (talk) 12:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing To sum it all up, what can I do with the stop tag? I am sure there is but I want to ask you first since you are fair, proff and know the draft. There are more than 2-3 sources as we said and maybe this is technical or maybe I should create a new draft withput the hisotry? Raves2023 (talk) 06:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing Did you see my last message? Raves2023 (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11:02, 7 May 2023 review of submission by Quizoverlord123 edit

This is my second try for a submission of this article. Is there anything I should do to allow this topic to be covered. I believe it is a notable topic. It is definitely notable in Northern Ireland, in fact, it made local news coverage. It is still (relatively) small, as it is only the inaugural year. However, it is the only quiz competition in NI for children this age (therefore the largest) and is doing quite well. I am happy to disclose my connection to this topic- in fact I will do this now. Any suggestions how this can be improved? Quizoverlord123 (talk) 11:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Quizoverlord123: notability doesn't arise from being the largest, or the only one of its kind, or "doing quite well"; it arises solely from the sources: per WP:GNG, we need to see significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources (and "local news coverage" is seldom enough, to warrant inclusion in a global encyclopaedia). Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable, thanks for your quick reply. The competition runs again this September, bigger and better ;). I will remember to try ensure greater news coverage this time. Our first year was mostly a test to ensure the competition has grounds, taking on board what we have learned it is hopefully going to be a super event this year. Any other suggestions? Quizoverlord123 (talk) 11:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing Quizoverlord123 (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Quizoverlord123: no, that's about it – get the Beeb and a couple of the broadsheets to cover your event, and you should be sorted. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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