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06:04:01, 6 February 2023 review of submission by CastJared

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Hi, this draft needs more notable content for parts of this article's creation. CastJared (talk) 06:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

14:47:33, 6 February 2023 review of draft by Maormer

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This draft was rejected again, this time the reason is the lack of reliable sources. I would like to clarify what exactly is the problem - is it that not all the facts are confirmed by references to sources, or are the sources unreliable from the point of view of Wikipedia? In both cases, I will try to fix it - I will add links if there are not enough of them, or I will look for more reliable sources. Or both. Thank you in advance. Sorry for some clumsy English, it is not my native language. Sorry to write again, but I would like to get at least some answer. If you think the question is inappropriate, I won't ask it anymore, but please don't ignore me.

Maormer (talk) 14:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maormer I removed your duplicate posting above; it's only necessary to post once, eventually a volunteer will get to it, but sometimes patience is required as people do what they can when they can here. You are not necessarily being ignored.
Regarding your draft, the sources seem to be unreliable- IMDB is not considered a reliable source as it is user-editable.
Your English is pretty good from where I'm sitting. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, thank you for prompt response. Sorry again for being too persistent. I didn't have any experience working in Wikipedia before, and I don't quite understand how everything works here. I received a message that I may have misinterpreted (Yandex Translator, maybe) as the fact that my message has gone into the archive and will not be read. In the future, I will keep in mind what you said. Thanks.
As for the links, I will remove IMDB and the Kinoafisha from the list of sources - these are about the same sites with information about movies. I referred to them only because of the premiere date and the cast. Would a link to Kinopoisk be a good alternative? This is a Russian-language site, similar in purpose to IMDB, but it is managed by a professional team, third-party users can only leave reviews for movies.
For the rest, I referred either to articles from professional Russian-language online publications, or, where it is a question of having a certain opinion in society, a example of it is given. If it necessary, I can describe in more detail all the sources, except those I wrote about above.
Thank you in advance. Maormer (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

17:24:33, 6 February 2023 review of submission by Wuywuyuwy

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Wuywuyuwy (talk) 17:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wuywuyuwy You don't ask a question, but your draft was wholly inappropriate as a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 17:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 18:27:07, 6 February 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by JoinFluffy250

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Hi there. I’m new to page creation, so would be very grateful for any tips and advice to make me a better editor. I’ve edited a few pages of businesspeople and politicians but tried to make my first page recently in Leon Emirali - a political commentator and TV PR consultant.

The page was rejected for not using independent sources. I used articles written by the author for third-party media outlets to show that he had written for said media outlets (The Times and other UK national newspapers) and believe this may be the issue? I’ve now removed them in latest draft. Another editor also said I have a conflict of interest, which I do not - but am finding it hard to disprove. He said it’s “obvious”, but I’m not sure how as I have never met the subject (I did see him giving a live TV interview once and took a photo - which was my inspiration to create a page when I saw he didn’t have one, but do not know the subject at all beyond that).

I’m struggling with it, but certainly don’t want to give up on creating my first page! I wonder if I should abandon this subject and take on another one? Or is there merit in pursuing Leon Emirali? There’s quite a lot of material when Googled.

Either way, grateful for your thoughts. I will get there eventually and complete my first page creation - hopefully with the help of fellow Wiki editors 😊

Thanks so much. Look forward to hearing from you all.



JoinFluffy250 (talk) 18:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JoinFluffy250 "Rejected for not using independent sources" is not entirely accurate, to quote the notice, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". The sources themselves are third party, but they are not acceptable for establishing notability, for the following reasons:
  1. an announcement of Mr. Emirali's appoitment to a position, a routine activity; the piece does not give him significant coverage
  2. is account-walled but seems to be an annoucement of Mr. Emirali opening a business, a routine activity
  3. is a TV interview with him; by definition interviews are not independent
  4. a brief interview with him
  5. another interview with him
  6. a piece which is account-walled but seems to contain his views on a particular topic and isn't coverage of him
You have done a nice job documenting what he has done- the trouble is, that's not what we are looking for. Any article about him must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about him, showing how he meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. "Significant coverage" goes beyond just telling us about who he is or his activities, and goes into detail about his significance or influence as the source(s) see it, not as he himself might see it. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again. I really appreciated your feedback. I've done some further research into the subject and have discovered he stood as a candidate in multiple elections and caused news during this period. I've added some of those articles as citations and also added/removed some others. I hope it's an improvement - let's see if it makes it... thanks again. JoinFluffy250 (talk) 12:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

331dot (talk) That’s incredibly helpful feedback thanks. I will take on board these comments and maybe have one last go of drafting this subject’s page before moving onto someone/thing new. Looks like there might be some additional sources that fit the bill. Thanks again for the feedback - appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoinFluffy250 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

21:20:33, 6 February 2023 review of submission by Jsylvester333

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Jsylvester333 (talk) 21:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

22:31:21, 6 February 2023 review of submission by Saeedulllahsafi

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Saeedulllahsafi (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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