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00:05:45, 15 March 2022 review of draft by 2601:642:4C0C:C83:445B:87C1:46B1:58EC

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Hello,

I made the Wiki "Drama.gg (Draft:Drama.gg)" I submitted it & has a couple questions on why it was removed:

- All sources were from the UK goverments website, or the forum site (drama.gg, the wiki's topic), - I am giving a open view about the forum & not being a one-sided opinion, I showed posts from Drama.gg to show a reference on almost everything. "Submission is about web content not yet shown to meet notability guidelines " Could you please be more vague, if a wiki about doxbin was allowed, why isn't this wiki allowed?

Thanks.

2601:642:4C0C:C83:445B:87C1:46B1:58EC (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean "Wikipedia article", not "a wiki". A wiki is an entire website of which Wikipedia is one example.
Please read other stuff exists. Other similar articles existing does not automatically mean yours can too. It could be that this other article is also inappropriate. Because this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about.
None of the sources you offer seem to be independent reliable sources. Any article about a website must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the website, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable website. 331dot (talk) 00:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

01:06:32, 15 March 2022 review of submission by Kafoxe

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Hello, I'd like to inquire about the declining of my draft for Dave Thomas. It was not approved on the basis that it fails WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN, though the latter states "or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels". Thomas was an elected official in the Alabama House of Representatives, so would he not qualify in that regard? Most politicians serving in state legislatures have pages of their own, from what I can tell, some of whom I've worked on articles for in the past. I'd also like to know how specifically it fails GNG, so that the article could potentially be improved in the future and establish notability. I feel that many of the references in the article are rather in-depth, especially the ones concerning his gubernatorial candidacy, and come from reliable, secondary sources. Thank you. Kafoxe (talk) 01:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kafoxe: While I will not speculate or offer further help on this, you are indeed correct that being elected to state office is a WP:NPOLITICIAN pass, and that that aspect of the decline seems incorrect. @PK650: Care to justify your decline? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 05:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct. I somehow missed his stint in the Alabama House of Representatives! Thank you for the ping. PK650 (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

12:14:55, 15 March 2022 review of draft by MfayePEI

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Hi I'm trying to upload a photo of Adam Fenech. The photo is his, he paid for a photographer to take the image but I did take it from the internet. How can I bypass the error message as I do not have the original.

MfayePEI (talk) 12:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MfayePEI: When one hires a photographer, one may receive a photograph, but the copyright normally remains with the photographer. So you may not upload the image or use it here. Also, if you're close enough to Fenech to be getting a photo from him, you may have a conflict of interest, which you should declare. I'll leave more information about that on your talk page. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only focuses on the text. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Worldbruce, he has sent me an image so I will be able to use that, correct? As long as I declare the conflict of interest? Thank you! MfayePEI (talk) 11:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MfayePEI: No, physical possession of an image is not the same as owning the copyright. Only the copyright holder (in almost all cases the photographer) may license the image so that it can be used on Wikipedia. Instructions for how they can do so are given at WP:DONATEIMAGE. Licensing the image allows anyone—not just Wikipedia—to share, distribute, transmit, and adapt the work, including for commercial use. Most commercial photographers are unwilling to grant such a license, in which case their work may not be used on Wikipedia. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

17:00:19, 15 March 2022 review of draft by RetailClothing

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Hi, I've created my first draft page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:St95 , please could I have some feedback and advice before I publish. Thanking you

RetailClothing (talk) 17:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RetailClothing: The tone is wildly inappropriate for a Wikipedia article, and more like an enthusiastic press releases. Even worse, the sourcing doesn't demonstrate that the subject is notable. You need to find things that others unconnected with the brand have written about it, rather than listing its own websites as sources. Promotional sites that make money by including affiliate links are frowned upon, since they are only writing about the subject to make money from clicks. With better sourcing, and a more subdued tone, you might have a chance having a standalone article accepted. If not, consider adding brief info info to Massimo Osti and Christopher Raeburn (designer). TechnoTalk (talk) 20:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

18:33:26, 15 March 2022 review of draft by EthanWinters1

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EthanWinters1 (talk) 18:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I've working on developing a Wiki Article for Filmmaker and Academic Britta Sjogren! Unfortunately, The last time I attempted to publish it was declined by one of your editors due to notability standards... I looked over the references that were provided and tried to make revisions accordingly. (i.e. adding reliable third party references, adding more detailed information of her career as an independent filmmaker, etc) I'd like to know if there is anything you would suggest adding to her draft before I attempt to submit it for publication. Any specific information would help so I know exactly what your editors are looking for!

Thanks,

EthanWinters1

@EthanWinters1: An easier way to proceed is to take everything that's been written about the filmmaker in independent third party sources (self submitted bios and event catalogs tend to not quite meet the level of independence required to demonstrate notability) and write the article that way. If by doing that you find you don't have enough material for an article, there's little chance that the article will be approved. I didn't go through all the sources you included, but I can see that the first half of the draft is unsourced, and many of the sources appear inferior for reasons stated above. Including unsourced details of her personal life and career only suggest you might have a conflict of interest and need to read WP:COI. TechnoTalk (talk) 21:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick response and the information! I went through and recited her whole biography section (focusing more on independent third party sources) Including pdfs of older print News articles detailing her personal life and early career achievements. I'd like to keep the bios and event catalogs as references, as I am an academic and feel like the need to cite all my sources. Also I was wondering, since her few of her individual films have Wiki pages themselves, shouldn't that help her notability index? Just a thought!
Please let me know what you think!
EthanWinters1 EthanWinters1 (talk) 15:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
EthanWinters1 There are still a few subjective statements, and I'd break up the large paragraph on what she's done, but IMO, the references you have added since Rusalkii declined the article now seem to meet notability. In *general* imdb.com is not good for references, but I *think* the event winner lists like you have included is OK. I'd like to see if Rusalkii has an opinion, but if no one else chimes in here, I'll approve it in a few days. (Leave a note on my talk page, if I forget)Naraht (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Naraht Thank you for the message! I'll go ahead and break up the paragraph into two parts (Academic & Filmmaker careers, respectfully). I compeletly understand about IMDb. Fantastic! I'll message you again if there are no other comments on the Draft.
Thanks again, talk to you soon!
EthanWinters1 EthanWinters1 (talk) 17:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't done a full re-review, so no comment on whether it would be accepted, but that does look much better and I have no objections to another editor accepting.
I would however replace IMDb even for an uncontroversial list like that, it's user-generated and is no more a good source than Wikipedia itself (that is to say, often right, but not good to cite). Rusalkii (talk) 00:23, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok great! No worries, I replaced the IMDb reference with a Third Party Source from IndieWire which lists the Winners from SXSW from 1997. Anything else that stands out as problematic? Just want to make sure everything looks solid on your end. Thanks for your help! EthanWinters1 (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Accepted and Published. Still things to do in making categories, and there may be more to put in the infobox. Also linked from other pages in mainspace.Naraht (talk) 06:28, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fantastic, I'll take a look at those spaces but thanks again so much! EthanWinters1 (talk) 14:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

20:54:24, 15 March 2022 review of draft by SoyokoAnis

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I am asking if anyone is interested in helping find sources for the Danganronpa Decadence draft so it can be submitted. Additionally, if anyone is interested in expanding that would be well appreciated.

SoyokoAnis - talk 20:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SoyokoAnis I suggest asking at WikiProject Video Games. S0091 (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091 Thank you. Happy editing! SoyokoAnis - talk | PLEASE PING 06:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

21:38:42, 15 March 2022 review of submission by Miketakla86

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I have added notable references. Miketakla86 (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Miketakla86 The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If you have new sources that the reviewer did not consider, you must appeal to the reviewer directly. Please keep in mind that an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. 331dot (talk) 21:42, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

23:39:19, 15 March 2022 review of submission by Wikiwikiuser23

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Hello, can anyone please explain why this entry is labelled as follows: "This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia". I asked three times, but no one responded. Here are the main points in the link. Can any editor guide me to which criterion this article applies. I really hope these these editorial decisions are not random based on the names of the people in the entries. Thank you!

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia

Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view

Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute

Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility

Wikipedia has no firm rules Wikiwikiuser23 (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiwikiuser23 Wikipedia is not a place to post what I assume is your resume and/or list of accomplishments. Wikipedia is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources state about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Autobiographical articles are highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media or a personal website(which you seem to have). 331dot (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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