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01:33:19, 30 November 2018 review of draft by Casting Nasturtiums

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Hi there,

Your help would be enormously appreciated. I'm trying to create a page for Andrew Anastasios, who's a scriptwriter who has been, and continues to be, involved in the creation of significant Australian film and TV productions as a creator, writer and producer. Amongst other professional credits, he co-created and co-wrote the highest grossing film in Australia in 2015 (The Water Diviner), which won the Australian equivalent of an Oscar, the AACTA best film award for 2015. He also co-created and wrote two Jack Irish series for ABC television, and wrote two other Jack Irish TV movies. Also, the novel he wrote for Pan Macmillan based on his script, The Water Diviner, sold 45,000 copies. In short, he does seem to qualify under the terms of the 'notability' Wikipedia parameters for creative professionals: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews."

Clearly, I'm failing at the 'references' side of the equation! There's no shortage of independent reviews in the media of all the film and TV scripts Andrew has written - if I added those to the draft, would it satisfy your terms?

Thank you so much for your assistance. I really want to do this properly, but obviously need some help to get there! Casting Nasturtiums (talk) 01:33, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The problem you have is reliable sources rarely write about the script writer or other behind the scenes people. They write about the show and the actors. Therefore pages here on such behind the screens people are rare and hard to create with proper sources. Legacypac (talk) 06:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Legacypac: - would WP:AUTHOR criteria 3 not apply/be possible to apply here, instead of requiring purely directly applying sourcing? Nosebagbear (talk) 07:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but in the case of a film or tv show there are lots of people on the creative side like producers, directors, writers etc. I passed a writer for a late night show once because he and his team won an Emmy for writing, so it is possible. Anyway, the topic is not offemsive or promotional so the submitter is welcome to move the page and see how it goes. If no one tries to delete, happy days. Legacypac (talk) 07:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

05:48:20, 30 November 2018 review of submission by 183.87.142.97

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We are trying to create Wikipedia page for few days the name of "Classic Marble Company" but unfortunately, this page was rejected again and again. So Please give me the advice on how to create or submit Wikipedia page. 183.87.142.97 (talk) 05:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actioned "We" should not be doing anything at Wikipedia to promote a business. I'll action the page. Legacypac (talk) 06:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I will explain further what User:Legacypac means. The first person plural pronoun "we" should very seldom be used in Wikipedia. It should only ever be used in quotation. One user account belongs to one human being, not to a group or company. Being a shared account is in itself a violation of user account policy. So is marketing. If you are trying to publicize your company, use the money that you are wasting trying to put up a Wikipedia page in order to improve your web page. Your web page really does belong to you. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:03, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 06:27:56, 30 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Millyk01

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Looking for some assistance in an article I have been attempting to create - Helloworld Travel Limited. It keeps being rejected saying it is already in existence on Wiki, referring to Helloworld Travel. They may have similar names but are different. One is a publically listed company - asx listed entity - Helloworld Travel Limited, and one is the extensive Retail network of Australian and New Zealand travel agencies known as Helloworld Travel. Any advice appreciated, as both are credible and worthy of being on Wiki. Per Flight Centre, which has 4 wiki pages so far from what I can see, and also

Woolworths group and Woolworths supermarkets. Many thanks in advance --Millyk01 (talk) 06:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Millyk01 (talk) 06:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed there is a page already. We don't need seperate pages for the company and its stores which use the same name. No comments on the examples you cite - might be correct or maybe they should be merged. Legacypac (talk) 07:34, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 15:29:35, 30 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Uideyield

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Hi, I made my first wikipedia posting few months ago and wish to clarify one factual issue related to its rejection. I don't care anymore at this point whether the draft gets rejected or not, but I wish to resolve one misunderstanding which was stated about the reason of rejection. I cannot accept reviewer's argument until this issue is clearly understood and accepted by the reviewer. A clarification is needed on the misunderstanding which the reviewer had on me as a writer. How do I prove that I have zero affiliation with the person I wrote about? Do I need to create a sandbox page about my identity? Why is the reviewer assuming that I must have prepared the article for the sake of commercial interest or promotional activities?

I have no idea how the reviewer could just pre-assume (without even asking the writer) that I have personal relations with the person I wrote about. This can even sound like a personal insult to a writer who attempted to prepare the article for the first time. I apologize if my citations were not good enough, but you cannot assume that I may have a personal relation with the person I wrote about. I don't even personally know him. Of course I don't work for the media company and there is no way he can pay me when he doesn't even know me. Besides, I am just an outsider who once took a course and studied Hallyu industry and someone who was curious about writing wikipedia article drafts and just wanted to give it a try through trials and errors. My personal goal was to increase English wikipedia pages for the existing Korean wikipedia pages. In that way, more English readers can have access to Asian wikipedia pages (perhaps if the English draft is available, then the English writers can also find ways together to fix the reference issue which Korean wikipedia articles hold).

All I tried to do was create an English version of his already-existing Korean wikipedia page. I do not get paid by anyone for this matter, and this is almost a personal insult to me when I have pure interest to contribute as a writer as well, but all I get is a pre-assumed comments filled with injustice.

I am not asking the reviewer to accept the draft because the draft already has a reference issue. I accept that the submission can be rejected if it's because of citation issues or because the person is "not notable", but I can never accept the reviewer's careless assumption about my purpose and intent of preparing the draft. I have no relation with a person I wrote about. I cannot emphasize enough that I want to know why the reviewer would pre-assume about something that isn't even true at all. What made him think that I must have written about someone I know or for commercial interest?

Please reconsider this issue; I want the reviewer to take back what he said and how he assumed about my personal intent of draft and I hope to cooperate in the most peaceful way and resolve this matter together. Thanks for reviewing and considering this message in advance.

Uideyield (talk) 15:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We get many many many paid spammers here submitting pages. The templated warning you got is not saying you have a Conflict of Interest, only that if you do you need to disclose. I would not have rejected the page on a prolific voice actor. He may well qualify for an article under WP:ENT. I can't read Korean so it is hard for me to evaluate for sure. That is why I passed over reviewing the page after moving it to Draft space. Please review WP:ENT and explain how subject meets the guideline of they do, preferably on the talkpage of the Draft so the explanation is saved with the page. Feel free to message me on my talkpage if you want me to take another look or have questions. Legacypac (talk) 19:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

21:30:08, 30 November 2018 review of submission by 86.166.73.171

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86.166.73.171 (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't it a sufficient topic?

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