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01:43:59, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Alligator77002

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Trying to create an article about a United States Copyrighted title "Ping Pong" (Copyright 1997; Anthony Charles Thomas). The title is expressed as an amusement where an object is oscillated over a linear platform until it is stopped. In essence, it is a table tennis amusement. With this title, I am not sure where to start as so many articles are published for amusements along this line. I do not want to err with Wikipedia for my title but I would like to get credit for it's creation. As well, I have numerous other titles that will not be beyond impartiality; Biorhythms, Fortune Teller, Horoscopes and Tarot to name a few.Alligator77002 01:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC) Alligator77002 01:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alligator77002 (talk • contribs)

Hi Alligator77002. Worrying about the title is putting the cart before the horse. First gather multiple, indpendent, reliable, secondary sources that contain significant coverage of the topic you want to write about. Without such sources there will be no article.
If you draft the article in your sandbox or through the article wizard, submit it, and it is published, an Articles for creation reviewer will assign an appropriate title at that time. They may distinguish the title of your topic from Ping Pong by adding a parenthetical disambiguator with what the aforementioned sources generally call your subject. In other words, if most of them call it an amusement, they may use the title Ping Pong (amusement). --Worldbruce (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

06:30:53, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Johnbow2233

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Hello. There is a page named "ursula hayden" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Ursula_Hayden&action=edit that is under review. There are other Wikipedia's made about other GLOW girls. I know Ursula is a series consultant on GLOW Netflix etc so this page would be useful. If you could look over the page and let me know any changes you think should be made to get it approved that would be great. Thanks, John Johnbow2233 (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Johnbow2233. Draft:Ursula Hayden is in the pool to be reviewed. The current backlog suggests that it will be reviewed by the end of the year. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:52, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

14:16:02, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Omega68537

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Can I use what Xu Geyang said in interviews(by well-known medias) as information in my article?And who can give me more advices to my article?I've used all the useful information that I can find, and I can't find any more information. Because of Xu Geyang is a new singer,I can't find information on books and journals yet. I know that the biggest problem with creating articles is notability, so how to use the existing information to show the notability of the subject better? ~Omega68537(talk)14:16,17 November 2017(UHC)

@Omega68537: Hello, Omega. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Yes, you can use material taken from interviews, but keep in mind that interviews represent nothing more than the subject talking about herself. And so, they can't be used as the "proof" of controversial statements about the subject. They also can't be used to demonstrate encyclopedic notability. And as you noted in your question, that's the "biggest problem" here. Simply being a contestant on a televised singing show doesn't confer encyclopedic notability. And I see nothing else in your submission that would demonstrate satisfaction with any of the criteria set forth at WP:NMUSIC. This might just be a case of "too soon for an article". I also noted that some of your statements sound a bit promotional, in some cases going beyond what the sources are actually saying. The one that caught my attention was the declaration that the subject was the most popular singer on the show, when the source simply stated that the subject came out on top of somebody's poll. If that poll is authoritative, then the thing to do is tell the reader that the subject won the poll. The thing to not do is interpret that result for the reader. But problems like this can be fixed. What is not so easy to fix will be the lack of in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources. This really does look to me like a case of WP:TOOSOON. I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:00, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@NewYorkActuary:I gave up all hope for my article after I read your advice.I think it's impossible to be accepted and it may be deleted because the problem of notability.I also think my article is a case of WP:TOOSOON.So what should I do?I've used all useful information I can find.But it will be too late to resubmit my article when the problem you said can be solved(Probably many years later).So what should I do now?Should I give up for my article?I've tried my best in the article.~Omega68537(talk)01:54,18 November 2017(UHC)
@Omega68537: Hello again, Omega. My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I think that working on some other topic might be the better choice here. If you're particularly interest in the Chinese entertainment industry, there probably are plenty of existing articles in that topic that could use some improvement and I hope you'll consider contributing to Wikipedia in that fashion. But regarding your draft, there's no need to delete it. You can move it back into your User space, where it can stay until the time is right to re-submit it. If you'd like some assistance with doing that, please let us know. Thanks again for your interest in Wikipedia. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:59, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@NewYorkActuary: Hello.You means that I shouldn't give up my article now,right?How to move it into my user space?
I'm not interest in the Chinese entertainment industry.The reason of creating this article is I like Xu Geyang very much and I want to make Xu Geyang more well-known in English-speaking areas.I interest in chemistry,but most articles about chemistry are already very good,or are difficult to be improved.And if Xu Geyang will never notable enough for Wikipedia,what should I do?
Thanks very much.
~Omega68537(talk)Omega68537 14:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

15:28:16, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Noreen Banks

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Noreen Banks (talk) 15:28, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[[1]] Above is a link to the page I created for Blair A. Ruble who is an American non-fiction author and scholar. I submitted the page for review last evening. I used a photo in the information box that he uses in his promotional materials. I think I was not clear in the credits. It is his photo which was taken by a Woodrow Wilson International Center For Scholars and given to him. I have an email exchange giving me permission to use this photo. I received a notice that the photo was being deleted because it violated copyright but I think the problem is that I did not understand the way to credit it. Both Mr. Ruble and The Center gave permission for it to be used in Wikipedia. I can't figure out how to get the photo back into the page and would appreciate any help you can give me. I am a first time Wikipedia author so I'm sure I just did not word the credit info correctly. Thanks so much! Noreen BanksNoreen Banks (talk) 15:28, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Noreen Banks: Hello, Noreen. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. The issue doesn't appear to be simply a failure of attribution, but a failure to demonstrate that the person holding the copyright on the image has licensed it for free use on Wikipedia (and, by extension, everywhere by anybody in the world). The people who are best able to assist you are the good folks over at WP:Media copyright questions. I encourage you to ask them about it. I hope this response has been helpful. NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:25, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

15:33:08, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Sonakys

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Hi, I tried to submit an article in Slovak language and it was declined because it wasn't in English. I didn't intend to submit an article in English and I don't know how to change the language settings for submission. It's my first time uploading so I am very confused. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sonakys (talk) 15:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sonakys: Hello, Sonakys. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Requesting a translation can be done at WP:PNT, although there is no guarantee that any one will actually do the translation. But before you make that request, have you noticed that we already have an article on dialysis? If your material doesn't add anything that isn't already in that article, why bother at all with a translation? NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:15, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Sonakys: If you're trying to create an article in the Slovak language, you'll want to do that at the Slovak Wikipedia instead of here. --Worldbruce (talk) 20:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

19:21:33, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Graperjl

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Hi, just wanted to know if there was any feedback on why the article I recently submitted was declined? Thanks!

Graperjl (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Graperjl, the feedback can be found at the top of your draft. JTP (talk • contribs) 20:22, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

20:31:48, 17 November 2017 review of submission by Boneklootch

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An article I submitted for review today was declined because the references submitted "did not adequately show the subject's notability." I can include more press articles about Newtonville Books that would better demonstrate how the establishment serves as a indy book hub for the region. My question is: Should the references be embedded in the copy (as citations) or can I simply include them in a list below the article copy as "external links"? In other words, do I need to write sentences that I then footnote or can I simply add external links as evidence of notability? Thanks for your help.

Boneklootch (talk) 20:31, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Boneklootch: Hello, Boneklootch. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Our apologies for the delay in response. I see that you've already added several sources as "Further Reading". But you'll create a better article if you extract relevant information from those readings, add that information to the draft and then use the readings as in-line citations (or, to use your more succinct phrase, "write sentences that I then footnote"). By leaving all of this information as "Further Reading", you are effectively telling readers (including reviewers) that "There's more that can be said about this company, but I'm not going to say it." That might be a reasonable approach for a very large article, but that's not what we have here. Indeed, the current text of the submission tells us only that the store exists and is now located in a different place than originally, and that it has hosted book talks/signings. That's really not enough to justify an article on Wikipedia. And so, I encourage you to expand the text with suitable information that will demonstrate that the store meets our criteria for notable companies. I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:34, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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