Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 September 6

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September 6 edit

Template:GFDL-1.2 edit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was keep. Primefac (talk) 03:26, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:GFDL-1.2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Images licensed under only GFDL 1.2 are subject to speedy deletion (though really if useful they should be moved to Commons since Commons still supports it). There is no benefit to keeping this template. B (talk) 19:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As noted on the template page, "this template has been deprecated from general use on the English Wikipedia. It may be used, however, for files temporarily moved from Wikimedia Commons (as with POTD or main-page images)."
The benefit to keeping this template is that it prevents broken transclusions (and/or manual intervention by administrators, some of whom find the process daunting under the best of circumstances) when an image is temporarily uploaded here for the purpose of protection. —David Levy 20:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are images still uploaded locally when posted on the main page? None of the ones on the main page today are. I thought that was no longer needed because a bot put them in Commons:Commons:Auto-protected files/wikipedia/en, which gives them cascading protection. Even if they were still uploaded locally, are there any featured images that are licensed as GFDL 1.2 only? If so, they should have their featured status removed ... it seems a little odd to say "this is a featured image, but we would delete anything like it" - that's not really how featured images should work. They are our most celebrated content, not our barely tolerated content. There shouldn't be any broken because nothing should ever again use this template. --B (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are images still uploaded locally when posted on the main page?
Sometimes, primarily for use in the In the news section.
I thought that was no longer needed because a bot put them in Commons:Commons:Auto-protected files/wikipedia/en, which gives them cascading protection.
Most sections' content is scheduled in advance and appears in the WP:MP/T queue 24 hours before reaching the main page. This triggers the Commons bot's cascading protection.
In the news lacks advance scheduling; its content (including images) is determined on the fly. Additionally, the other sections' content (most frequently images) occasionally requires replacement after reaching the main page.
In either case, no advance window exists, so one of three protection methods must be used:
A) Manual protection by a Commons administrator (not always readily available)
B) Transclusion at WP:CMP (which triggers the Commons protection bot, but not without a delay)
C) Temporary local upload
In some instances, option C is the most (or only) viable option, particularly when time is of the essence. It also comes into play when the Commons protection bot has an outage, which occurs from time to time. (Undue reliance upon that bot has resulted in extreme image vandalism on our main page.)
As the individual most commonly called upon when main page image issues arise, I've struggled to explain our protection procedures (and the risks of ignoring them) to many fellow admins. I've also aspired to implement as much streamlining and simplification as possible, including the creation of the aforementioned WP:CMP.
This has helped, but the problem is far from solved. And any impediment (even a small one) decreases the likelihood of compliance.
"The license tag was broken and I didn't know how to fix it, so I just put the image on the main page without protecting it" (paraphrasing) is among the explanations that I've received over the years. That shouldn't happen, but it does – specifically, when a Commons template is unavailable here.
Even if they were still uploaded locally, are there any featured images that are licensed as GFDL 1.2 only?
Today's featured picture is the only main page section whose images require "featured" status. In every other section, their function is to illustrate prose (and featured images are desirable, but seldom available). —David Levy 00:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per David Levy. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 22:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @B: "though really if useful they should be moved to Commons since Commons still supports it"

Not for long. c:Commons:Village pump/Proposals#No longer allow GFDL for some new uploads. ~~Where is the news that enwiki doesn't support GFDL 1.2?~~ Nevermind, that was only for 1.2 and probably in 2009. Alexis Jazz (talk) 12:36, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]