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Template:WikiProject Malawi edit

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn (non-admin closure) Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:17, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template has been deprecated since June of 2010 and has no transclusions. If not going to be deleted, then it shouldn't be deprecated. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep all. These templates allow the use of {{WikiProject Countryname}} to add the project banner to a page relating to any country. This assists editors who don't know that a regional template is used in a particular case, and allows the use of tools suc as AWB to mass tag pages. Bots may subsequently convert these tags to the the releveant regional project (e.g. {{WikiProject Africa}}). Deleting these tempaltes would have zero benefit, and would impede WikiProject tagging. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:45, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • (ec) PS These are amongst 164 templates in Category:WikiProject banner wrapper templates. They are deprecated because there is a preferred way of tagging for the projects, but the fact that they are deprecated in favour of a better usage does not alter the fact that there are circumstamces in which these templates are useful to editors and to the relevant WikiProjects. The lack of transclusions simply indicates that the bots are working effectively in converting them to the canonical templates.
      It would be helpful if @Zackmann08 had spent a little more time considering how deprecated templates can be useful, rather than rushing to deletion. WP:BEFORE and all that ... and see deprecation for a conceptual overview of the different reasons why something may be deprecated. Not all dprecated pages should be deleted. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:12, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Question: if they are so helpful why have they been deprecated for 6+ years and not have a single use? --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 04:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Zackmann08: See my PS above. As with many other deprecated templates, bots convert them to the canonical form ... so their usage is transient. The lack of current transclusions is an indication that the bots are doing their job, not that the templates are not being used. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:14, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all per BHG. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:08, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also a discussion of a similar set of templates at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2018_September_22#Template:WikiProject_Djibouti. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:13, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •   I withdraw my nomination --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:SLMPD Police Commissioner edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 October 1. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:Formatnum edit

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 06:52, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This module shares exactly the same problems as its previous incarnation: it is unused (the only former usage, in Module:Complex date, only required the module without calling its code), and redundant to pre-existing templates and modules other than by providing localization which serves no function on the English Wikipedia. (Previous deletion nomination is Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Module:Formatnum) {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 19:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy keep: Template is used by Module:Complex_date which is used by Module:WikidataIB. I've temporarily disabled Module:Formatnum and the following is one possible result:
    • {{#invoke:WikidataIB |getValue |qid=Q51673 |P569 |fwd=ALL |osd=no |lang=bn}} → Lua error in Module:Complex_date at line 46: attempt to call field 'formatNum' (a nil value).
  • Can we please get rid of this valueless nomination whose only result is to cripple the functionality of other modules, so that I can return the module to working order? --RexxS (talk) 20:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Under what circumstance would one want to get dates in Bengali (or any of the other languages listed in Module:Complex date) on the English Wikipedia? I see no usecase for the functionality that deleting this module will remove, and therefore your argument does not convince me of anything and my nomination stands (also, I see no speedy keep criterion this could possibly meet)
    And no, I will not stop doing this kind of nomination until people stop importing modules I consider useless from other wikis. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:38, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    In my opinion, modules like Module:Formatnum are only useful on wikis in languages that localize numbers, or are multilingual and need to support languages that localize numbers. The English Wikipedia does not belong to either category, therefore the module does not belong here. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Whatever circumstances other editors may be allowed to display numbers in some other number system is not your decision to make. This is an encyclopedia and such topics are within scope.
    WP:Speedy keep #2: this nomination is unquestionably made just to make a point - that you don't want any modules on Wikipedia to have multilingual abilities, which would be a policy decision that you need to take to VPP. Attempting to use the MfD process to further that purpose by the back-door is disruptive to good-faith editors who are trying to create modules that are inter-operable with other sister Wikimedia projects.
    We are not working in a walled-garden. Editors such as myself have put many hours of work into creating modules such as Module:WikidataIB that can be used with simple adaptations on any Wikimedia project. Similarly editors such as Jarekt have created modules on other projects such as Module:Complex date, which have many capabilities that I would like to use on English Wikipedia. You have produced nothing comparable. I refuse to accept that you have the right to harass productive editors with these sort of inappropriate nominations simply because you decide that the modules don't fit your definition of "useful".
    I have demonstrated above that this module is in use by Module:WikidataIB and it would break some of its functionality were this module deleted. --RexxS (talk) 22:50, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per RexxS. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per RexxS. Pppery, you need to review WP:POINT given a comment like I will not stop doing this kind of nomination until people stop importing modules I consider useless from other wikis. --Izno (talk) 02:11, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Pointless nomination based on the mistaken belief that deleting anything of value on another Wikipedia would help enwiki. Module:WikidataIB (which indirectly uses the module in question) is maintained by RexxS who also maintains it for use by other Wikipedias. Interference with that process is the opposite of helping enwiki. For anyone unfamiliar with the background, the issue concerns whether it would be better to keep versions of modules used here and at Commons as similar as possible for ease of maintenance, or whether the enwiki module should be changed because it might work without some of the code used elsewhere. In this context, "might" means it would work if RexxS put extra effort into fixing any problems that arose from removing some code. A topic ban for Pppery may be required to prevent further disruption. Johnuniq (talk) 02:37, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per RexxS, based on important current use of this module. Also based on previous experience of deletion requests for similar modules, and worrying statement of apparent ownership of modules and that they should only exist with the approval of one editor. -- AlexTW 08:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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ECHL coaches navigational boxes edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 October 1. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 18:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Johnny English edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Pkbwcgs (talk) 06:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fails the WP:NENAN rule of five, doesn't provide anything useful that isn't provided in the articles. -- AlexTW 09:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Not enough links....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:15, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Unless there are more links, this is pretty unecessary. --ZKang123 (talk) 05:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I will change the !vote only if there are chances for producing more links. Orientls (talk) 11:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:2015 World Championships in Athletics Schedule edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 October 1. Primefac (talk) 00:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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