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Template:SFU/Text edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Old and unused (replaced by {{infobox}}) Frietjes (talk) 19:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:1893 Northeast Independent Conference football standings edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There was and is no "Northeast Independent Conference". This template purports to group historic football programs into the organizational structure of a non-existent conference. It violates WP:OR and/or WP:HOAX. Cbl62 (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Franchetti operas edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; replaced by Template:Alberto Franchetti Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Cilea operas edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; replaced by Template:Francesco Cilea Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Alfano operas edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; replaced by Template:Franco Alfano Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Alesso edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; provides very little navigation Frietjes (talk) 16:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Teamnames edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Playersp edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused Frietjes (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:HiddenSort edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused fork of Template:Hidden sort key Frietjes (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PicksAndBans/Roles edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:AchievementStart edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused Frietjes (talk) 15:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ARZC color edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused (articles are using the ATSF series instead) Frietjes (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ALeague BR colour edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused Frietjes (talk) 15:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:5TeamBracket-Tennis3 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; better to use Template:8TeamBracket-Compact-Tennis3-Byes Frietjes (talk) 15:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:32SEBracketHL edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused Frietjes (talk) 15:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2017−18 Liga MX Aggregate table edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 January 9. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tennessee college preparatory schools edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The inclusion criteria depends on the vague definition of “college preparatory” school. The current schools are all private, but the definition could be interpreted to include any public school that has any elements of the college prep curriculum. We could rename the template “Private schools in Tennessee” to reflect the current contents, but I don’t think we need a navbox for Category:Private schools in Tennessee Billhpike (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC) Billhpike (talk) 15:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2016–17 Euroleague Regular season results edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 January 9. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2016–17 MDFA Elite Division table edit

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The result of the discussion was merge. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused and out-of-date; duplicates Template:2016–17 MDFA Elite Division Table Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can we not merge instead? The lower case "t" in table should be used over the upper case "T". --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Merge the duplicates and delete one of them. GiantSnowman 20:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:2015 AFC–CAF Inter–Confederation Cup qualification – AFC Group 1 edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; no idea where this would be used Frietjes (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2010 Olympics Barnstar edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

it's been 8 years, I don't think this is going to be used in the future. Frietjes (talk) 15:12, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2014 NPSL team map edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; duplicates the map in 2014 NPSL season Frietjes (talk) 15:12, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2015 Malaysia FA Cup edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused and won't work since it has the wrong prefix for an "fb competition" template Frietjes (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2016-17 MDFA Elite Division Result Table edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; if needed, this can be added to 2016–17 MDFA Elite Division using the head-to-head option in the existing results table Frietjes (talk) 15:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@ArsenalFan700 and Hhhhhkohhhhh: please provide a source for this table. it directly contradicts the table above it. clearly if Mumbai "didn't played due to other commitments" then there should be no matches for Mumbai in the head-to-head table. I found match results at soccerway.com (e.g., here) but no other good sources for these matches. clearly we should not be adding false or unsourced information to articles. Frietjes (talk) 14:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not needed, incomplete, unsourced. Why does this information (even if sourced/completed) need a template? GiantSnowman 20:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:2017 PLA playoffs edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; blank Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:1979–80 in Serie A edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

redundant to navigation found in Template:1979–80 in Italian football, Template:1985–86 in Italian football, Template:1986–87 in Italian football, Template:1987–88 in Italian football, Template:1988–89 in Italian football, Template:1989–90 in Italian football, Template:1990–91 in Italian football, Template:1991–92 in Italian football, Template:1992–93 in Italian football, Template:1993–94 in Italian football, Template:1994–95 in Italian football, Template:1995–96 in Italian football, Template:1996–97 in Italian football, Template:1997–98 in Italian football, Template:1998–99 in Italian football, Template:1999–2000 in Italian football, Template:2000–01 in Italian football, Template:2001–02 in Italian football, Template:2002–03 in Italian football, Template:2003–04 in Italian football, Template:2004–05 in Italian football, Template:2005–06 in Italian football, Template:2006–07 in Italian football, Template:2007–08 in Italian football, Template:2008–09 in Italian football, and Template:2009–10 in Italian football. Frietjes (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2010–11 in Serie A edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:26, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; replaced by {{2010–11 in Italian football}} Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2008 RLWC map edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

unused; the maps in the article are sufficient Frietjes (talk) 14:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Could be put to good use.Fleets (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fleets, where? Frietjes (talk) 13:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Has been superseded by the image in the only article it would realistically be used in. J Mo 101 (talk) 23:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Konguta Parish edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No longer a parish (merged into Elva Parish in 2017) Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:User Battrick edit

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. per Frietjes's note. Thanks! Sandstein 13:59, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't userboxes meant to be in userspace? Minimal use. Sandstein 10:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sandstein, you need to discuss this at WP:MFD per the what not to propose for discussion instructions near the top of WP:TFD. Frietjes (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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deletion of little used, non-standard lang-xx templates edit

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The result of the discussion was delete all of the originally listed templates, after replacing any existing uses with the appropriate lang-xx template. There is no consensus to delete the -naz, -roa, and -son templates, but as they are unused there is NPASR. Primefac (talk) 15:04, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Recently the 650+ {{lang-xx}} templates have been converted to use Module:lang. There are a few that, for one reason or another, have not been / should not be converted. The new templates provide parameter support that was not available to the old templates so some of these are forks that support functionality that was not available in the base template; some of these misuse {{lang}}; some of these misuse/redefine language codes/names defined by international standards. Details in rationale below.—Trappist the monk (talk) 10:45, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • rationale:
    {{lang-cdo-hani}} – unused; can be implemented with {{lang-cdo|script=Hani|...}}
    {{Lang-cdo-latn}} – 1 transclusion; can be implemented with {{lang-cdo|script=Latn|...}}
    {{Lang-deu}} – unused; redefinition of international standard deu 'German'; used for 'early German' but links to Early New High German
    {{Lang-kmr-at}} – 1 transclusion; as an IETF language tag kmr-at means 'Northern Kurdish as spoken in Austria'; misuses {{lang}} by giving it the result of a call to {{transl}}; no documentation so no clear indication of the purpose; can be implemented with {{lang-kmr}}
    {{Lang-ku-at}} – 2 transclusions; same reasons as {{lang-kmr-at}}; can be implemented with {{lang-ku}}
    {{Lang-mis-Cyrl}} – unused; mis is the ISO 639-2/-3 code for 'Uncoded languages'; {{Lang-mis-Cyrl}} is used to label Montenegrin which, apparently, does not have a language code; a search of sil.org finds little mention of Montenegrin; the ISO 639-2 custodian lists cnr as Montenegrin; this code has not percolated to current ISO 639-3 or IANA
    {{Lang-mis-Latn}} – unused; same reasons as {{lang-mis-Cyrl}}
    {{Lang-naz}} – unused; purportedly to be used for North Azerbaijani but uses the code for Coatepec Nahuatl
    {{Lang-roa}} – unused; IANA/ISO 639-2 define roa as 'Romance languages', a collective of individual languages; at this writing Module:lang does not have specific support for collective languages though support is planned
    {{Lang-son}} – unused; IANA/ISO 639-2 define son as 'Songhai languages'; same as {{lang-roa}}
  • delete as nominator —Trappist the monk (talk) 10:47, 25 December 2017 (UTC):[reply]
  • Conditional delete -- I would expect that the remaining uses of these templates are re-implemented as proposed before deleting the template. (IMO this should have been done before proposing the templates for deletion, because now the articles that use them have ungainly jargon in their lead sentences.) Warren -talk- 18:01, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    I will certainly re-implement the templates with transclusions where it makes sense to do so with the appropriate {{lang-??}} template. Yeah, this is my first TfD but the instructions do not say that {{tfd}} should be hidden (in fact, the documentation for that template says: "Unless you do something unusual such as enclosing in noinclude tags, articles that use the nominated template will provide a notification and link to the discussion"); isn't the purpose of {{tfd}}? to draw attention to this discussion? How to do that if we don't somehow announce to the world that this discussion exists? —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:22, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    We generally avoid removing templates before deletion, otherwise it looks like a fait accompli. We also avoid noincluding the deletion notice to advertise the discussion, which is often quite hidden relative to normal readers and even editors. --Izno (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    I get that, but if the functionality of one template set has been replaced by something else, it's better to just get the migration done first, especially when it's technical minutiae like these lang templates. Warren -talk- 14:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • {{Lang-deu}} – Redirect to {{lang-de}} or delete. Don't keep the status quo as it entails a confusing redefinition of a standard code.
  • {{Lang-naz}} – Rewrite to use the correct language. It's a valid template; if deleted it will sooner or later get recreated.
  • {{Lang-roa}} – Keep as a useful template with a valid code. If its current use ultimately invokes Module:Lang causing it hiccups and sneezes, then the template can be changed, for the time being, not to invoke it until the module has been extended with support for collective codes.
  • {{Lang-son}} – Keep: the same situation as {{lang-roa}}.
  • The rest – Meh. These templates aren't individually harmful and they're even marginally useful. However, I wouldn't like to see the logic behind them getting extended into the creation of similar templates for all possible combinations of lang-Script codes as the resultant proliferation will become unmanageable. – Uanfala (talk) 18:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    {{Lang-naz}} – no need to rewrite because {{lang-azj}}. —Trappist the monk (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    {{lang-azj}} is for Northern Azerbaijani. {{lang-naz}} should be for the language with ISO code naz: Coatepec Nahuatl. – Uanfala (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Point. I read your comment as arguing for a North Azeri rewrite. Still, I don't think that we should rewrite and keep an unused Coatepec Nahuatl template just because maybe, because someday, it might be needed. If that rationale holds then we should be creating {{lang-??}} templates for all other ISO 639-2/-3 codes that do not yet have templates. An insource: search seems to indicate that naz is not used with {{lang}}; similarly, another insource: search finds four articles that use the text "Coatepec Nahuatl" but of these, three don't seem to require a language markup template though the fourth, Nahuan languages, could and probably should – in which case, it would seem that {{lang|naz|...}}} would be preferred over {{lang-naz}} (because we already know that we're talking about Coatepec Nahuatl). —Trappist the monk (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, there isn't going to be any immediate loss in the case of deletion, and probably it doesn't make much of a difference in the general scheme whether the template is tweaked and kept, or deleted and then possibly recreated at a later point. If there's any particular argument for preferring keeping, I think it's the fact that the existence of a functional template linking to Coatepec Nahuatl is a stronger disincentive for its repurposing into a template about North Azeri than is a deletion log entry pointing to this mass nomination. This template's creator isn't the first, and is unlikely to be the last to squat on what must appear like a perfectly unoccupied language code. – Uanfala (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Doesn't the 'keep-to-preclude-squatters-from-misapplying-language-codes' argument, by extension, then argue that we must (as a preventive) go ahead and create new templates where there are none now, even if those templates don't ever get used? (Rather impractical, I think, because there are some 7900+ language codes in the IANA registry.) Just delete; if, in some version of a future, we need it, we can recreate it then. —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    North Azerbaijani is a member of a messy (in ISO code terms) dialect cluster with unintuitive choice of codes, and it's not surprising that someone would have thought of using something as straightforward as "naz". A similar state of affairs holds with respect to the varieties of Punjabi, which led one user to come up with "pun". But these situations are rare, and in the vast majority of cases the combination of responsible factors (messy language situation + counterintuitive codes) does not occur. There's no need to pre-emptively create any such templates. – Uanfala (talk) 16:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    I've tweaked {{lang-naz}} to use the proper lang code, so I think it should now be kept as it is. – Uanfala (talk) 02:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looking for a more solid consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nihlus 01:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Campaignbox Peasants' revolt in Palestine edit

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 January 9. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:People involved in the Arab-Israeli conflict edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This template should be deleted on different grounds. Firstly, no other template of "People involved in ___" exists on Wikipedia, and probably rightly so. This should especially be the case in a subject so complex and as this topic: Who would qualify to be listed? What are the requirements and how are they actually measured? There are none. The template just lists former presidents and head of states; why ignore thousands of politicians, writers and activists who have been heavily involved in the Arab/(Palestinian)-Israeli conflict at one point or another to different degrees - they could all be added. The latter's actual influence may have been greater than some rather formal names on the list, which is at a messy and useless state. Yambaram (talk) 09:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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