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Template:Article 1

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T3 by TLSuda (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Article 1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, apparently created by error. GregorB (talk) 22:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Already speedy deleted. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:44, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox holiday camp

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox holiday camp (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 26 transactions. Redundant to {{Infobox park}}, to which any necessary parameters may be added. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:43, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should have been 27 inclusions but one has recently been changed to an infobox place for reasons unknown and undiscussed. Further inclusions are possible as it has only been applied to former/current Butlins sites centerparc and other international resorts currently have no infoboxes. Disagree with merger to infobox park but grudgingly would support merger to infobox building due to its similarity with the former infobox hotel which was merged into building. An alternative proposal might be to merge this, infobox Disney resort, and an extracted infobox hotel into a holiday accomodation infobox perhaps infobox resort. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- This is absolutely not suitable for merging with {{Infobox building}}. These features are not buildings. (Note that the template is also used for some camps in the USA) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Nor are these features parks, and some of the more densely packed ones bear more relation to an urban college campus than any definition of park. They do however form an overlap between larger hotels with an estate which are currently included as buildings despite not being so. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Google finds "About 2,720,000 results" for "holiday park" (with quotes). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Most of which are open sites similar to the campsite or caravansite you list below with only a handful being similar to holiday camps in the traditional sense. Most traditional holiday camps now consider themselves closed site resorts and searches for variations on that term return 100x the number of hits which again points back to something like an Infobox resort for all holiday accomodation styles. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 22:52, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep or possibly merge with {{Infobox campground}}. Frietjes (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox campground

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox campground (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only 34 transclusions. Redundant to {{Infobox park}}, to which any required parameters may be added. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- neutral as long as Infobox park is modified to add any needed parameters, I see no problem. The biggest problem is people not adding the infobox to existing articles. --evrik ^(talk) 15:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep, unless this is a merger proposal, in which case the other template should be tagged. Frietjes (talk) 19:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not all parks are campgrounds, and not all campgrounds are parks. Unscintillating (talk) 23:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The issue is not whether or not "all parks are campgrounds", but the similarity between the templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The only fields in this template, which are not replicated in {{Infobox park}}, are: |facilities=, |water=, |fee=, |fires=, |colors=, |mascot=. None are used widely. While all of these could be added to the park template, we can see from Ponderosa Campground, where we have |facilities=Vault Toilets, Picnic Tables, |water=Yes, |fee=$15/site/night, |fires=Yes, these are mostly crufty, and should not be used per WP:NOTDIR. I have yet to find an example of |colors= or |mascot= being used. Here's a sample conversion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:20, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- |colors= and |mascot= are in use on Chewonki Foundation. Neither parameter appears to have any encyclopedic use there, and the article is actually about an organisation, not a campsite. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:NGruev

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2014 April 9 Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Presidents Cup

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The result of the discussion was delete, replaced by Template:Infobox team golf tournament Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Presidents Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

~~Only ten transclusions.~~ Unused Redundant to {{Infobox golf tournament}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We have a few such team golf event templates: Template:Infobox Ryder Cup, Template:Infobox Presidents Cup, Template:Infobox Seve Trophy, Template:Infobox Solheim Cup, Template:Infobox Walker Cup. Number of transclusions is currently the number of events so far (except Walker Cup which is incomplete). Not really equivalent to Template:Infobox golf tournament since they have some clever logic in them to give a suitable heading (eg "40th Ryder Cup Matches" for 2014 Ryder Cup) and appropriate pointers to previous/next events. Some clever person could probably usefully combine the 5 into 1 called Template:Infobox team golf tournament, since some of the extra logic is common to all 5. Nigej (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- If these templates could be merged as {{Infobox team golf tournament}}, why could they not be merged into {{Infobox golf tournament}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - {{Infobox golf tournament}} covers a tournament's entire history not a specific instance of the tournament. eg Arnold Palmer Invitational covers all such events since 1966. There is no separate page for the 2014 tournament. Template:Infobox Presidents Cup has to cover a specific Presidents Cup since there are separate pages for each event eg 2013 Presidents Cup. Quite different things it seems to me. Clearly they can be merged, but is there any point. Nigej (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fair enough; in that case they should all (starting with the template nominated here; and the one in the section immediately below) be merged into one, as you suggest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:38, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done. I have created Template:Infobox team golf tournament and changed the appropriate pages. So as far as I'm concerned you can delete the 5 infobox templates: Template:Infobox Ryder Cup, Template:Infobox Presidents Cup, Template:Infobox Seve Trophy, Template:Infobox Solheim Cup, Template:Infobox Walker Cup. Perhaps worth waiting a day or two for someone to complain but no-one replied to my message: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf#Template:Infobox team golf tournament of 3 days ago. Nigej (talk) 10:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        That's great, thank you. I've added the hCalendar microformat. The template would be better using {{Infobox}}, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a biannual team event, {{Infobox golf tournament}} is for regular individual tournaments - not redundant at all. Sufficiently different events to need different templates. Tewapack (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- In what way is a "biannual team event" not an instance of a "regular individual tournament"? Which specific parameters does {{Infobox Presidents Cup}} have, that {{}} lacks, and why could they not be added to the latter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - They are entirely different types of events. Specific parameters - most of them: year, dates, home, away, homecaptain, awaycaptain, homescore, awayscore, result. If any templates are to be combined it is the ones Nigej lists above but it won't be trivial. Tewapack (talk) 03:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's now done, please review the new template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:57, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as redundant to Infobox golf tournament.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Seve Trophy

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The result of the discussion was delete, replaced by Template:Infobox team golf tournament Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Seve Trophy (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

~~Only eight transclusions.~~ Unused Redundant to {{Infobox golf tournament}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. See above comment re Template:Infobox Presidents Cup. Nigej (talk) 16:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- See response, above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. See above comment re Template:Infobox Presidents Cup. Tewapack (talk) 02:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- See response, above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as redundant to Infobox golf tournament.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Fylkeskommune

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete, but some consensus to rewrite as a wrapper. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Fylkeskommune (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

~~Only twenty transclusions.~~ Redundant to {{Infobox settlement}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After seeing some of the articles on which it is used, I think that Template:Infobox government agency would be a better replacement.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, or perhaps {{Infobox legislature}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep serves its relevant articles very well in a manner no other infoboxes can, with the relevant information being displayed. Not used in a settlement, so {{Infobox settlement}} would be directly misleading. An analysis of {{Infobox government agency}} does not show how it could display some of the relevant information, including ISO-code, administrative center, no. of schools/pupils and transit authority, possibly also others, which is key information for any county municipality. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:50, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Since when do governing administrations have ISO codes? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I created a wrapper for {{Infobox settlement}} in the sandbox. The testcase seems to be fine. I think they could be converted this way. This discussion does reaffirm the notion that the settlement infobox should be renamed to Infobox subdivision. CRwikiCA talk 22:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you. That shows that conversion is possible and that no data is lost. However, I don't think we need to keep it as a wrapper, long-term, with only 20 transclusions and no significant number of new Fylkeskommunes likely to be created. We should apply your code, then 'subst:' each instance. Here's an example substitution direct from the sandbox (note that if roads has no value cleanup is needed). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I agree. CRwikiCA talk 20:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Now orphaned. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep as a wrapper (note you can find where it was orphaned here). Frietjes (talk) 18:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox F1 team

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The result of the discussion was merge --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:19, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox F1 team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Infobox former F1 team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox F1 team with Template:Infobox former F1 team.
Redundant. Editors should not have to replace an infobox just because the subject has become inactive. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. DH85868993 (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, ditto. Gilke001 (talk) 23:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox british speedway team

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:44, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox british speedway team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox speedway team}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It isn't redundant. It has additional fields not found in Infobox speedway team. I don't know the history of how these developed but if having two infobox templates is really a problem (and I don't see why it is) then merging the two together and fixing the code so that it would display correctly without the additional values specified would be the way to go. --Michig (talk) 08:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- We generally take such parameters into account, when deleting a redundant template. This excellent essay explains why we delete them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:46, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Might be an idea to mention the need to merge when proposing deletion, as there was no indication that this had been spotted, and until the fields are merged it isn't redundant. --Michig (talk) 09:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
so, is this a merger proposal? Frietjes (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
keep if this is not a merger proposal, or relist as a merger proposal with details on what will be merged if it is a merger proposal. Frietjes (talk) 17:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Audio Bullys

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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Audio Bullys (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fails WP:NENAN, does not make the usual threshold of five relevant links (related items are usually not counted as relevant links) The Banner talk 11:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And changing "related" in "Other personnel" does not make the good man relevant. The Banner talk 17:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This template, discussed at TfD on June 8, 2013, remains largely unchanged and has enough articles linked by the navbox, including the article for George Lamb which mentions him managing Audio Bullys. Also, Back to Mine: Audio Bullys and "Only Man" have potential to become articles, which I would like to discuss here before splitting. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - What I meant to say is, "has enough articles linked by the navbox, even without the article for George Lamb..." --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, clear failure of WP:NENAN. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 08:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I just added "Only Man" and Back to Mine: Audio Bullys to the navbox, increasing the number of links to seven. On a side note, there is a significant backlog at TFD and RFD that needs to be addressed. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:45, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice, but I have nominated "Only Man" for deletion because it misses all proof that is was a charted single (to be true, it misses proof that is was a single) and mr. G. Lamb is still just staff (= not relevant), not a band member. The Banner talk 12:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply - Thank you very much for your reply. In cases like this, AfD comes before Tfd. Also, assuming that George Lamb and "Only Man" do not count, Ego War, Generation, Higher Than the Eiffel, Back to Mine: Audio Bullys and "Shot You Down" makes 5. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - FYI, I notified almost everyone who contributed to Audio Bullys about this TfD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:34, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – now has seven links. BTW WP:NENAN's "rule of five" is a suggestion, not a policy. —Bruce1ee^talk 06:06, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox PBA rivalry

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 05:04, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox PBA rivalry (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use Redundant to {{Infobox sports rivalry}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:54, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as redundant.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.-PBA is not that kind of format, the user who created that template, concerns that the playoffs, finals and elimination format was different to infobox sports rivalry, it is not reduntant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.64.73 (talk) 04:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
delete per Infobox NBA rivalry. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Urban Music Awards Australia and New Zealand

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Urban Music Awards Australia and New Zealand (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (only 1 transclusion)

Template:Infobox Mnet Asian Music Awards (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (only 3 transclusions)

Propose merging Template:Infobox Urban Music Awards Australia and New Zealand with Template:Infobox Mnet Asian Music Awards.
Two low-use templates. Merge as a generic {{Infobox music awards}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:29, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Don't merge. I'm not overly concerned about this, however, these two awards ceremonies are completely different from each other. Why not nominate Urban Music Awards Australia and New Zealand template for deletion instead? DonEd (talk) 06:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The issue is not whether the awards ceremonies are different to each other, but whether the templates need to be. With what would you replace the single-use template upon deletion, if a more-generic template is not made? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
delete both as redundant to {{infobox award}}. looks like one was orphaned here. replacing this with {{infobox award}} would have been a much better solution. Frietjes (talk) 18:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both and replace with {{Infobox award}} —PC-XT+ 05:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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