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Template:Aeronautical Institute of Bangladesh edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aeronautical Institute of Bangladesh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Parent article, Aeronautical Institute of Bangladesh, has been deleted at AfD. Only one bluelink. Jenks24 (talk) 23:10, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, nothing to navigate. mabdul 12:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Incomplete edit

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The result of the discussion was revert to the version dated 15 November 2011. There was little discussion, and therefore no consensus, regarding the template's original wording ('This article is incomplete. ...'), and so I recommend a new discussion if anyone wishes to pursue its deletion. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 07:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Incomplete (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Last TFD resulted in a Keep !vote due to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Somehow, the wording of the template has shifted from "This article is incomplete and may require expansion or cleanup." — which is somewhat vague, but at least accessible — to the vague and useless "Please expand this article." In short, it has become a clone of {{expand}}, which was deleted for the very reason of being vague and overused.

I have no idea why the verbiage was changed. No discussion on the talk page or in the TFD suggested that the template should be changed to THE EXACT SAME WORDING as the now-deleted {{expand}}. What was the point?

Having only recently been reworded, its "reason" paramter is unused in nearly every transclusion. Either delete or revert to the previous, less vague wording — the word "incomplete" at least narrows it down to "is missing information about something", which is more justifiable than just "needs expansion". Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 07:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with TPH. revert to "incomplete, please expand"

Template_talk:Incomplete#Edit_request_from_.2C_13_November_2011 suggests that it should have been changed "incomplete, please expand" to "incomplete" so as to reduce redundancy (I don't care about this either way). However the actual change made was to throw away "incomplete" and keep "expand". This was simply wrong (and then created duplication with {{expand}}). Andy Dingley (talk) 16:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to redirect instead of being an intermediate transclusion, just make it a redirect. 70.49.124.225 (talk) 04:05, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to what? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The current template code says:

{{Expand further|1={{{1|article}}}|date={{{date|}}}|reason={{{reason|}}}|further=no|type=content}}

And I said you should convert to redirect instead of intermediate transclusion, so, as the template currently translcudes {{expand further}}, the implication is to redirect it to said template. 70.49.124.225 (talk) 05:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a result of trying to put a quart ({{Incomplete}}) into a pint pot {{Expand further}}. Expand further was a highly specialised template, one might even say niche. Failing to realise that Incomplete should stand on it's own, not surprisingly Expand further got moved to Expand article. A template with this function is needed, and every attempts to remove it, simply wreaks more havok. Lets leave well alone now. Keep unchanged. Rich Farmbrough, 01:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Do you still agree with this even now that {{Expand}} is finally deleted? What purpose do you think "Expand this article" serves when no elaboration is ever made on what needs expansion? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Liam987 06:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
revert or delete, but currently it is just {{expand}} in disguise. Frietjes (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
revert or delete {{expand}} mark 2 Mt king ^(edits) 03:11, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:FWB ISIN edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:FWB ISIN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Deprecated, unused —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:51, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no longer needed. --Svgalbertian (talk) 11:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unused and deprecated. mabdul 12:43, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PND edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PND (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Deprecated, several uses. Slap on {{Being deleted}}, place in the holding cell, replace with {{DNB portal}}, and then delete. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Replace with {{DNB portal}} or {{Authority control}}. (The id numbers haven't changed) --Kolja21 (talk) 06:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect per Kolja21. mabdul 12:44, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
delete, these three letter templates are often confused for country flag templates or airport codes. Frietjes (talk) 16:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:DM edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DM (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Deprecated, few uses. Replace with {{DNB portal}} —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Replace, but check id number first. (Some numbers have been merged.) --Kolja21 (talk) 05:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Examples: Johann Joseph Abert [1] and Max Colpet [2]. --Kolja21 (talk) 02:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Replaced with {{DNB portal}}. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to {{DNB portal}}. --Tomtomn00 (talk • contributions) 10:09, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What should the redirect be good for? Do you want people to use the deprecated template so we have to clean up every few months? BTW: The abbreviation "DM" (Deutsche Mark) is quiet strange for a link to the former Music-PND, later part of the regular PND and know replaced by the Universal Authority File (GND). --Kolja21 (talk) 13:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
delete, these two letter templates are frequently misused, and cause confusing when translating articles from other WPs which have a template named "DM", but it does something else. Frietjes (talk) 16:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Sample infobox television edit

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sample infobox television (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Speedy delete per G2. As the name implies, it's a test page for the existing television infobox mirroring the destination article's info.

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Template:Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance track listing edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Shake It Up: Live 2 Dance track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only a few songs in list have articles which are already transcluded in the template {{Shake It Up}}. The album article itself is a better source for the complete track listing anyway. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can't just delete all of my articles like this because this article is a good source, so if you delete this there will be consequences!! ~ RomeAntic 14 18:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

delete as redundant to template:Shake It Up. Note that the comment above appears to be directed at the associated AfD (i.e., article), and not the TfD (i.e. template). 64.134.156.20 (talk) 17:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ISO 639 name edit

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ISO 639 name (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Iso2lang (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary duplicate of template:Language. This was brought up on the talk page last year, but for some reason the discussion did not continue. Liam987 16:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:iso2lang is also a duplicate. Liam987 16:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Which discussion? The only TfD from last year that I recall is Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 November 22#Template:ISO 3166 code Pakistan which was kept because the nom hadn't appreciated the underlying mechanism. Basically, one outer template uses its parameter to pull in any one of several thousand subtemplates, thus avoiding the need for a large and slow {{#switch:}}. A similar setup is in use here: {{ISO 639 name|cy}} pulls in {{ISO 639 name cy}} thus displaying Welsh --Redrose64 (talk) 20:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On Template talk:ISO 639 name. And why is it necessary to have three templates (Template:Language, Template:ISO 639 name, Template:Iso2lang) doing the exact same thing? It was also suggested on one of those talk pages that these templates be reconfigured using the magic word {{#Language}}, similar to the language template on Commons. Liam987 06:11, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Abort any such discussion before you fix e.g. {{wikisourcelang}} to not use this template. Seeing a link to this TfD from inside that template is most confusing. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:09, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect. It is not obvious to me which should be the name of the target page, but here is a case for "iso2lang": "Language" is a somewhat unevocative name, and {{Language}} has only 524 transclusions, while "ISO 639 name" is hard to remember, and the template has a paltry 104 transclusions, against 1661 for {{iso2lang}}. --Lambiam 01:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as nominator Liam987 16:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
merge, redrose has a point about avoiding a switch statement, but that is actually an argument for merging the two templates and eliminating the switch statement. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Combined Carolina Television Network Templates edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CBS Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:NBC Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Fox Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:CW Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:MNTV Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:PBS Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Other Carolina Stations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:ABC Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:ION Carolina (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary templates created by new user (and the only edits from this user) without discussion. All changes that lead to the templates creations have been reverted and the templates are now orphan. Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC) 10:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Deletion: As nom. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
delete as orphaned. Frietjes (talk) 16:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Madonna track listing templates edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:American Life track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Bedtime Stories track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Confessions on a Dance Floor track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Erotica track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Hard Candy track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:I'm Breathless track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Like a Prayer track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Like a Virgin track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Madonna track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:MDNA track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Music track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Ray of Light track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:True Blue track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Following the lead and the reasoning behind the deletion of Template:Music of the Sun track listing, too many of the songs don't even have links/articles, and the ones that do are sufficently served by the navigational box {{Madonna songs}}. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 03:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all unused and redundant. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 21:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, completely unnecessary. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ray of Light edit

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ray of Light (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be filled with tangentially related articles in an attempt to justify use of template. Other items are easily linkable from the album and song articles (writers, producers, etc.) and existing artist templates. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 02:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom, useful navigation is redundant to Template:Madonna songs. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 22:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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