Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 April 11
April 11 edit
Template:Infobox UK Election edit
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The result of the discussion was delete, although it's not redundant to {{Infobox election}}. The single article which was using it, United Kingdom general election, 1895, was using both this template and {{Infobox election}}. This template was generating a sidebar navigation panel, which was basically redundant to the navigation links already in the article and in other templates. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Single use; redundant to {{Infobox election}}. . Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:33, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Rafał Ziemkiewicz edit
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
The sheer number of redlinks doesn't make this a useful template. One of the bluelinks I have prodded, the other is a likely AfD candidate given it's general lack of sourcing. Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 14:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rcsprinter (lecture) 17:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- keep if the articles are not deleted, but speedy delete if the are eventually deleted. Frietjes (talk) 16:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. Even if all of the articles are kept, there's still only 5 of them (incl. the title). --NYKevin @724, i.e. 16:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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Template:The Chemistry Barnstar edit
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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Should be merged with Template:Chembarn using the |alt= similar to many other barnstars. mabdul 06:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- related wikiproject informed. mabdul 07:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Support what Mabdul said. Rcsprinter (lecture) 17:50, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Our Lady of Mount Carmel Learning Center edit
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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I tagged this template for deletion because of a number of reasons (as per WP:TFD, among others), and are listed below:
1. The template is redundant to a better-designed template such as Template:DLSSS which serves a similar purpose. 2. The template is not used and has no likelihood of being used because several items in the template have no WP articles. Furthermore, the links in the template link back to the main article that the template refers to. No substantive amount of WP articles that only refer specifically to Our Lady of Mount Carmel Learning Center warrants a separate template that Template:DLSSS already serves for that purpose.
I wasn't sure if the template in question qualifies for criteria in WP:CSD so I put up a TfD to be safe. Xeltran (talk) 06:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Rolls yr Hendre, Family Tree edit
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by RHaworth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:11, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
single use template Night of the Big Wind talk 00:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Actually not true: There are at least 5 or 6 related notable places for this template. This is a good use of the template model Victuallers (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- You mean: by now, not true. When I nominated this oversized template last night, it was used on just one article. Half of the template (the first 6 generations) is - for encyclopedic use - useless and more fitting on a genealogical page. And in a proper family tree, the members of a generation are sorted in order of their birthdate. Night of the Big Wind talk 13:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Many thanks for your Nomination for Deletion tab on the above template, which you made because it's a single use template. As you now understand, it's now on 6 other page: members of the Rolls family. I did leave a note to you - to that effect: used on other page here. Can you confirm now please that your initial reason for deletion is NOT now valid? You now raise another 2 issues: firstly that, because of it's length, that it is "more fitting on a genealogical page" and secondly, that "the members of a generation are sorted in order of their birthdate." Please raise these "issues" on the Talk page, where they will immediately be addressed. Thanks for your help and quick response - too quick, perhaps, as I had noted that they were being developed further. There is a saying in Welsh: "Mam inni yw amynedd": Let our mother be patience. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Could you please refrain from removing the template, mr. Llywelyn2000. Even in Welsh it is a no-go. I understand that you want to protect your template, but removing it twice... Night of the Big Wind talk 22:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Many thanks for your Nomination for Deletion tab on the above template, which you made because it's a single use template. As you now understand, it's now on 6 other page: members of the Rolls family. I did leave a note to you - to that effect: used on other page here. Can you confirm now please that your initial reason for deletion is NOT now valid? You now raise another 2 issues: firstly that, because of it's length, that it is "more fitting on a genealogical page" and secondly, that "the members of a generation are sorted in order of their birthdate." Please raise these "issues" on the Talk page, where they will immediately be addressed. Thanks for your help and quick response - too quick, perhaps, as I had noted that they were being developed further. There is a saying in Welsh: "Mam inni yw amynedd": Let our mother be patience. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- You mean: by now, not true. When I nominated this oversized template last night, it was used on just one article. Half of the template (the first 6 generations) is - for encyclopedic use - useless and more fitting on a genealogical page. And in a proper family tree, the members of a generation are sorted in order of their birthdate. Night of the Big Wind talk 13:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- On placing your tfd tag on my template, you gave a reason: one reason in doing so. That reason was that at the time this Family Tree was on one page only, and should really be copied directly into the article, rather than be a Template. As you know, and as Victuallers told you, I was still working on this little project and within hours had placed the Template on other family members. I do think that you responded too quickly. You did so within 5 hours of my saving the Template and, indeed, was still working on it. I do think that you should have waited at least 48 hours before stamping your authority in such a way, as is usual good practice. I have given you a full explanation why I believe I have answered your ONE reason for the tag: the fact that it is used on other pages, therefore warrants a Template. Because I have done so I have "resolved the problem" and am therefore entitled to remove the tag. Your Tag instructions say: "When removing deletion tags, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to ." I resolved the problem and I informed you in the Edit Summary why I did so: "This template is used on more than one article; it is also on-going. Please leave any suggestions on further improvements - on the Talk Page." I asked you, "Can you confirm now please that your initial reason for deletion is NOT now valid?" You have NOT answered my reasonable request to you.
- I'm also rather offended by the note you have left me on my home page: and that you are treating me as a newbie. "Welcome to Wikipedia" and again: "Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox." Why on earth do you welcome me to Wikipedia even though I have over 21,000 edits? I'm rather offended by your action. Please edit your little Tag so as not to offend fellow Wikipedians.
- Not giving reasons for your actions, seem to me to contravene Wiki Guidelines: "it's useful to leave a short note on the talk page describing the issue, and suggesting an approach to fixing it if you know how." Please do so, and be accountable for your actions. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 04:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I do think Llywelyn2000 has addressed the original objection and this discussion should therefore end. There is no doubt that you did have adequate grounds for raising your request for deletion, but those grounds have now disappeared. Raising further editting advice can always be done on the article or templates talk page. Victuallers (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm rather reluctant to continue this debate - firstly because, as the original, legitimate, objection has been addressed, I think Victuallers's advice to continue any style discussions on the appropriate talk pages is very sensible; secondly, because I know next to nothing about Wiki Templates and their protocols. That said, I have contributed quite substantially to the Hendre article, and, to a lesser extent, to associated Rolls family articles, and here, I do think the template will be of considerable value. The Hendre talkpage has a suggestion that the Hendre should focus on the building and that other pages should be created for the history of the family, which they largely have been, and I think the template will add greatly to these. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 06:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I do think Llywelyn2000 has addressed the original objection and this discussion should therefore end. There is no doubt that you did have adequate grounds for raising your request for deletion, but those grounds have now disappeared. Raising further editting advice can always be done on the article or templates talk page. Victuallers (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete Makes no sense to have this for an individual family. The general application of this principle would be absurd, and there seems no need forthis special case. DGG ( talk ) 00:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Delete. In cases where all, or nearly all, family members are notable and have articles (this mainly occurs for royal families), then I can accept the use of large family tree templates. Otherwise, they are just clutter: wP:IINFO. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks for you constructive comments. Is it in order to use this format on the new Rolls Family article? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a guideline relating to genealogy and family trees. Since that is the case, here is my personal rule of thumb: so long as a "box-and-stick" style family tree (a) is not unnecessarily large and obtrusive; (b) contains a reasonable number of working links to other articles; and (c) is well-referenced, I personally am happy with it.
- Unfortunately I feel the family tree at User:Llywelyn2000/The_Rolls_Family,_Monmouth#Family_tree doesn't meet my standards, because (a) it is very tall, (b) very few family members have existing articles, and (c) I see no sources cited for the information. However, I stress this is my personal view. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Many thanks; at least now I have something to work on! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:25, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Again - thanks to the other (talk) for outlining his reasons as to why a Template was not the correct way of presnting this information. I now accept deletion of this Template. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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Obsolete Eurovision and Junior Eurovision templates edit
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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
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After a lengthy consensus exercise at WT:ESC the following templates are now redundant, and have been replaced by several all-in-one super-template designs, to cover everything easier. Wesley☀Mouse 00:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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