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Zoey 101 episodes edit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result of the discussion was to redirect all of the episode articles to this page's list of episodes.

The following is an episode review discussion that is intended to evaluate articles for individual episodes. See WP:TV-REVIEW and WP:EPISODE for more info.

Per WP:EPISODE, not every episode of a TV show should likely have an individual article. This can be for many reasons, such as notability or sources, or even just what format fits best for that show.

The review process for episode articles is evolving. This set of episode articles has already been reviewed once on a separate page (see below). Due to some concerns about people not knowing about the review, as well as simply experimenting with reviewing the same set twice, we're opening a second discussion.

The following articles lack real world information, besides basic infobox stuff — and the latter ones lack infoboxes:

Season 2

Season 3

possible special cases

Quinn's Date — LOE says that "Quinn's Date" was nominated for an Emmy — but no source given for this assertion.
Zoey 101: Spring Break-Up — a double-length episode that billed itself as a movie

I have reviewed all of the above articles and find them all to be unsourced and merely plot summaries. I propose that they all be redirected to this LOE. --Jack Merridew 11:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

I would agree with merging all of them, except for the "Special cases". The emmy nod, if sourced, could qualify it being kept, and the movie one could probably have sources. Other than that, they all fail WP:EPISODE. I ^{(said) (did)} 11:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree re the special cases per your comments; I meant to say this explicitly above. (Although I'm really not sure if the second one qualifies as a movie — it's in the list of episodes and the infoboxes link it as an episode.) --Jack Merridew 11:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am in agreement with above : redirect all but consider the exceptions listed. However, unless the episode actually won an Emmy, I'd suggest mention of the nomination be made in the LOE. And while the double-length episode may have been billed as a movie, it is had to see what out-of-universe material can be provided to offer context and notability. Eusebeus 12:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The assertion is at the bottom of the LOE now (sans-source).

According to this the show was nominated, not an episode... --Jack Merridew 13:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The issue of this "TV movie" is specifically mentioned at: Television movie#Movie-length episodes of TV shows. This is not really a movie or a TV Movie — it is an over-hyped episode. --Jack Merridew 12:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest merging all with the exception of the Emmy nominated episode, if and only if a reference for the episode being nominated rather than the series can be produced (per Jack Merridew's link above). An Emmy nomination is a clear assertion of notability, assuming it is correctly sourced. Star dust 8212 15:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no expert on the emmy process, but the pdf lists the show and makes no mention of any particular episode; absent a better source, I view the episode and LOEs as making and unsourced assertion and at most, the pdf link could be added to the article on the series. --Jack Merridew 11:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree entirely, I just wanted to make it clear that if a source was found then my opinion would change. Star dust 8212 12:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with above, should be redirected. If we can source the Emmy episode, great, if not then I'm not as convinced that it's notable. -- Ned Scott 05:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to my comments. If we're sure that the episode was not nominated for an emmy, then there is no reason to keep the episode, an emmy nod could and should be said on the main article. As to the TV movie/overhyped episode/movie, there might be some outside coverage. If there is, then it can be kept, but maybe remove the episode infobox, just as a movie ish. This might be enough of a source to assert notability. I don't know if a review by Rotten Tomatoes is notability asserting. Granted, there are no reviews, but the movie is on there as its own entity, not as an episode. Here it is I ^{(said) (did)} 12:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Checking the external links on the page as well it appears the Nickelodeon website does refer to it as a "TV Movie event". If sources can be found I'd agree to keeping that episode as well, if it made it into the mass media, overhyped or not, then it probably meets the requirements (or could meet them with some work). Star dust 8212 13:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So what of the sources I listed? I ^{(said) (did)} 19:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, hadn't looked them over yet. I agree the first link does indicate some media coverage (and again notes "TV movie special") and notability but I would avoid using rotten tomatoes as a source, I'm not sure of their inclusion policies. At this point I would suggest keeping the TV movie as it does seem to meet the criteria. Article still needs cleanup though. Star dust 8212 20:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nick does appear to have sold the world on the idea that their 48 minute thang is a 'movie'. Note that IMDB says it's 60 minutes and Rotten Tomatoes says 1 hour, 40 minutes. At this point I'd redirect all except the 'movie' (unless someone finds a source for an emmy nom for the episode). --Jack Merridew 08:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That looks like PR guff to me. It's an episode, regardless of what Nickelodeon would like to claim. None of the sources above provides any out-of-universe context that I can find. I think it should be redirected. Eusebeus 17:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree here; please, be bold... --Jack Merridew 10:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

update: I noticed that the 'movie' has two episode production codes listed in the LOE; this shows what the production team was thinking: two episodes. --Jack Merridew 15:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

motion to close edit

This discussion has gone quiet and no one has made any case for episodes other than the quasi-movie. Absent an epiphany, I will be redirecting all-save-the-one soon. It should be noted that no one has actually added any sources to the movie-sode... and if that remains the case, it will still be failing to assert its notability. --Jack Merridew 10:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have redirected all; none asserted notability, no source was every offered for the emmy nom and believe that two production code establish the faux-movie as two episodes. --Jack Merridew 11:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.