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Please assist in improving this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Thale_Katlego_Letheo

It was declined on the basis below:

Here's the issue: from what I've spot-checked, most of your references either don't mention Letheo, or are written/spoken by her. Neither of which help her meet WP:Notability (athletes). I understand that there's a lot of politics involved re African women athletes and the South African government, but if there simply isn't information out there about her in WP:Reliable sources, we just don't have much to work with.

If African women mountaineers are under-covered in the media, that's the media's fault, not Wikipedia's fault. If that is the case, I agree it's lamentable, but basing Letheo's article on unreliable or absent sources does nothing to fix that media bias, it would just result in her having a weak article of low-credibility, which wouldn't solve anything.

All of the notes pointed are correct. I know this climber personally and I am assisting with this project. Is there a way to improve it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RSAMountaineer (talk • contribs) 05:50, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Dear, you are doing a great job developing local content on sports women. But you have to do this ethically and follow the guidelines. Find sources to cite other than your own understanding or knowledge. You would also have to remove the social media links in the external links section. Wikipedia:Ten Simple Rules for Editing WikipediaDanidamiobi (talk) 08:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I think once she actually achieves the seven summits challenge she will definitely receive significant media coverage as the first black African woman to reach the highest peaks on all seven continents, and will then meet our notability criteria as a result. (One of my ex-climbing partners had that ambition, too, though she never achieved them all.) But, for the moment, I think this is simply a case of being WP:TOOSOON, though well worth keeping in your sandbox for later use. (Remember that untouched Draft Articles are liable to be deleted after 6 months of inactivity) It looks like she might be aiming for Everest again in 2018. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Submitting for review?

Hi guys - I've spent a fair bit of time editing my article and I think I'm at the point where I should submit it for review. However, it still has some minor issues in it (I can't figure out how to format the See Also section correctly) and am not sure if a few places need additional references. Ideally, I'd like to be able to submit it for review so I can at least get feedback on what I currently have written.

Can anyone tell me what happens after you submit an article for review? Will I get feedback and have a chance to implement changes? Or is there a risk of it getting completely rejected?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light on this. (Article: Draft:Scrap Arts Music)

CanadianMusicFan3 (talk) 15:09, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello CanadianMusicFan3 and welcome to the Teahouse.

I edited your draft to make the See also section look more standard, but two of those entries should be removed and the targets wikilinked in the body of the article where they are mentioned.

I don't see any reason why you could not submit this draft for review. One of the things you'll get feedback about is whether you've shown that the group is notable and you may get comments or help on formatting your citations. You can continue to work on the article while waiting for a more formal review and, even if the article is declined, you can continue to improve the article until you've addressed the deficiencies. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You've already recieved an answer at the WP:Help desk. For future reference, only submit your question at one location. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Article rejected for not adequately showing the subject's notability.

Could somebody please help me with this? I submitted an article about a Norwegian singer, the page name is ZIALAND, it was rejected for not adequately showing the subject's notability. What can I do about it? I have some links from online articles and reviews of her music, could that work maybe? thank in advance.

Diveke (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Zialand has no sources at all. In order to demonstrate notability, you need to provide references to articles written about Zialand in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books, etc. Theroadislong (talk) 19:00, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

You could also delete the section on Influences. There has been no independent music reviewer say that. As a matter of form, delete all the red-links. Best of luck Rhadow (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Copyright infringement

In my page Swati Maliwal Jaihind, I have written about her achievements as have been specified in a govt. website upon her request. I have written it in my words but I still seem to be doing something wrong. Should I delete the website link? Or is there some way I can incorporate that information without violating copyrights? Womenempowerment (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello Womenempowerment welcome to our Teahouse, and thanks for your question. I think we might need you to provide a link to the page you're referring to. I seem unable to find it, either in your contributions, in draft or in mainspace. I note from your talk page you have had your sandbox deleted on the grounds that you had copy/pasted content from a website, so was that it? (Not being an admin I cannot check those pages to see what they contained). Even if you changed a few words from another website, this 'close paraphrasing' is still going to be interpreted as copyright, so content gets very swiftly deleted when you do so, and warnings issued. If you do want to work with text that has been copied from another source so that you can completely rewrite it, my suggestion is to do what I do and undertake that task in a normal wordprocesssor. Everything - even the contents of your sandbox - is published and available online, so copyright content does need to be kept clear of all pages. If you are working at the request of the subject, you do need to declare your involvement, by following our conflict of interest policy. And if you are being paid, we have another one for you to read, too! See: WP:PAID. Sorry I can't help much more. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Error in Linkage

Greetings There is an erroneous link for a Canon of Westminster Abbey, named Rev. Sebastian Charles He was a Canon there (in charge of the treasury) from 1978 to 1989, when he died. He is linked fromt he Westminster Abbey page listing all the former Canons, to a TV show because one of the actors had the same name. Rev. Sebastian Charles was a talented churchman who worked with leper colonies, the black community in London, with the parole board there, and in many other ways. He was Born in Burma and was of Tamil extraction. He was also very funny, very astute, a loving father and husband. He does not deserve this sullied treatment, nor this error in linkage. I know nothing about disconnecting a link. I hope someone else can show mercy to his legacy.

Here is the false entry: There is a page named "Sebastian Charles" on Wikipedia Half Moon Investigations (TV series) (redirect from Sebastian Charles) the nickname "Half Moon" because of his small height. Red Sharkey (Sebastian Charles) is one of the main characters of the show. It is shown in many episodes 4 KB (384 words) - 20:10, 5 July 2017

Thanking you in advance, with hope, Rev. Dean J. Seal, seal13dean@gmail.com 162.219.228.37 (talk) 19:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I have unlinked Sebastian Charles. Theroadislong (talk) 20:03, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Question about image

I'm planning to upload this image (which is from Google Books) of Jim Bakker's "I Was Wrong" book (it's mentioned in the article) and I'm just curious: If I go to here and upload it as a book cover, do you think it will be accepted on Wikipedia? I'm just curious. LovelyGirl7 talk 23:53, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. LovelyGirl7. As a general rule, a non-free image of a book cover is acceptable only in an article about the book, rather than the biography of its author. If a book was published before 1923, copyright has expired, and you can use an image of such a book cover anywhere. Please read our policy on non-free images for more information. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Vat 19 Article

Would a vat 19 article make it out? Also, I'm sure I won't finish by today so will I receive a message saying this could be deleted or something like that? Mystery Bros (talk) 00:40, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Work on the article in Draft space like your other drafts and submit for review when ready. WP:NODEADLINE RudolfRed (talk) 01:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, to be pedantic, there is a deadline for drafts: after six months without any edit, drafts become eligible for speedy deletion G13 (though it can still be recovered afterwards). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Mystery Bros (talk) 01:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I wish to list myself as a glbt advocate

so is this possible I worked for almost seven years with representative eggman to create AB331 a new law creating privacy rights for DD214 of service men and women who are transgendered. I also sued the Department of veternas affairs to force them to to properly change the gender classification on their records for people having changed their gender. Duffymali (talk) 04:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

• I'd recommend against it, because Wikipedia is not an advocacy organization; it's an encyclopedia. You're certainly welcome to make neutral, well-sourced edits to GLBT-oriented articles. You might also want to check out the WP:LGBT WikiProject, which focuses on related topics. Ravenswing 05:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Trying to Edit Onni Group page

Hey, I've tried editing the page "Onni Group" multiple times after telling the editor / creator that almost all of the information is wrong.

Was told on my last edit that the edits were "promoting" on the company when it was clearly changing FACTUAL information only.

Not really sure how someone who has no idea about the page can say information is promotion or not

70.36.63.2 (talk) 16:44, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Your edits indicate that you are a company representative, and as such you should not directly edit the article about your company as you have a conflict of interest. You have been given information about this on your user talk page. We all want articles here to be accurate; if there is incorrect information in the article, please describe it on the article talk page.

I would further add that the company has no say as to whether an article exists about it or not(you attempted to blank the article with that as a justification). Wikipedia summarizes what appears in independent reliable sources about an article subject, and the subject itself has no more say than anyone else about the article. We welcome input, especially if there are errors, but it needs to be done in the correct manner. Please review WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the appropriate declarations. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes I understand that, I've been trying to change FACTUAL information only has you all have clearly told me many times. Please look at my last edits and tell me how that is promoting at all? I'm changing the incorrect information to correct information...70.36.63.2 (talk) 17:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

You should not directly edit the article due to your conflict of interest. Before you do anything else, you need to read the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and the paid editing policy at WP:PAID; the latter is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use if you are a paid editor. You should then formally declare your COI and/or paid editing relationship on your user talk page. Then, please visit the article talk page to explain what changes you feel are needed, and why. I also see that you have asked a user who reverted you about their reversion, I might also wait for a response from them. Your edits were likely seen as promotional because you simply listed projects your company is involved with. The article can only contain information discussed in independent reliable sources, it is not a place for you or your company to just list its projects. Again, if there are errors such as the location of your offices being incorrect, please make a request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 17:22, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

So the creator made the project lists with inaccurate projects and me listing the proper ones is promotion? Why leave a project list there if you don't want the proper ones listed?

People who don't have a COI have tried editing the page and it's still getting flagged. Seems like anyone who tries to do anything immediately gets reverted. So the inaccurate projects that the creator listed isn't promotion, and the updated ones are promotion?

We'll keep trying to put accurate information on the page and keep going through this awesome process 70.36.63.2 (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Currently, the only projects listed are those that are described in independent sources(it appears this was just done). That is all that should be in the article. If you have other independent sources describing your projects, please offer them on the article talk page. I've explained how you should proceed, which will give you the best chance of success in what you would like to see. 331dot (talk) 17:42, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

So when a person adds projects to the page that isn't related to the company is that an independent source? This information isn't secret or hidden, can easily be found online by anyone. If the creator actually wanted accurate information on the page its pretty easy to be found ie. the edits I'm trying to make. Looking forward to wasting more time trying to get the right information here. 70.36.63.2 (talk) 17:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

If you feel your time is wasted, you don't need to spend it here. No one forces you to be here if you have better things to do, as we all do at some point in our lives. A project can be in the article if it is described in an independent reliable source. Please read WP:RS for more on what such sources are. You are probably right that such information is online and easy to find, it just takes someone willing to do it to get it done. This is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can do it. No article on Wikipedia is ever "finished" or 100% complete. That doesn't change your need to comply with the policies I've outlined and suggest changes as I've described. 331dot (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or I have to say about your company. We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. Theroadislong (talk) 18:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes someone that is "willing to do it" has been trying to many times and every time it's getting reverted. When the information we're trying to put on the page is so readily available online and keeps getting considered as "promotion" just doesn't make sense.

70.36.63.2 (talk) 18:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Refusing to comply with the requirement on WP:Paid editing, trying to delete an article just because your company president doesn't like it, and removing explanations from your talk page after complaining that you don't understand the system will not encourage volunteers here in their efforts to help you. If there is inaccurate information in the article, then we want to correct it, but corrections need to be backed up with references to independent WP:Reliable sources. It would be best if you discuss these on the talk page of the article. Dbfirs 18:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Ya, we wanted to originally delete it. If you actually looked at the last edits I tried to make, it was changing INACCURATE information on the page into FACTUAL & ACCURATE information, that is directly on the company website. But now this is considered promotion? What's a more reliable source about a company, a company website or some creator who has no idea anything about the page he made?

19:12, 15 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.36.63.2 (talk)

As you have been told, Wikipedia is not interested in what any of us want to say about a company, only in what independent sources write. The company itself is not an independent source. It isn't a matter of the creator "having no idea", unless you claim they are making stuff up. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Alright, i'll keep watching the "independent sources" get denied

70.36.63.2 (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean by an "independent source denied"? 331dot (talk) 19:38, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

70.36.63.2 You haven't suggested any corrections or independent sources on the article talk page yet. Dbfirs 19:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

How about this: A company website is NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER going to be accepted as a source of other than the most basic information, for example name and address of the company. Find published articles about the company by independent sources and propose those in Talk. Someone else will decide to put into article. Likewise, if stuff wrong in the article, describe what is wrong in Talk. David notMD (talk) 20:15, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

70.36.63.2 I'm with User:Dbfirs. You keep repeating that this alleged information can "easily" be found online in independent sources by "anyone." Fair enough; would you mind producing them, please? You don't even have to put the sources in proper citation format. Just link them to the article's talk page, and we'll do the rest. Ravenswing 05:48, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

How do I respond to contributing editors' questions and address their concerns in an article?

Hello Teahouse!

Longtime Twentieth Century art enthusiast and novice Wikipedia contributor. I have recently become interested in Armenian American artists, and have been contributing to the article on Stephen Sacklarian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Sacklarian

I cannot find a way to directly message him back, but would love to respond to HostBot JTMorgan's astute question on a source and increase the legitimacy of this article. JTMorgan's question:

"Also, I'm curious--can you share exactly what John Canaday wrote about Mr. Sacklarian's work, since you used an article of his from 1958 as the only source in describing the artist's style? If Canaday published at length about the artist for a Metropolitan Museum seminar, that would be of real interest. Thank you, 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)"

My response: In the transcription of a 1958 lecture on expressionism the differences in the mental processes of artists, Canaday stated that "while some painters approach and interact with the canvas with an empty and spontaneous mind, others like Stephen Sacklarian, Marilyn Gordley, and Harvey Quaytman claim to have exact mental images of their finished works prior the first brushstroke."

I intend for this source to specifically reference the final sentence of this paragraph.

How does the community recommend I proceed?

20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk) 06:26, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast you post your reply directly after the question, excactly the same way as I am replying to you here. Start with a single colon ":" to indent your reply. BTW the post you quote above is not signed by JTMorgan, the signature is an IP address, thus an unregistered user. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Correcting the ping for Jtmorgan (×2) -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Roger (Dodger67)! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 07:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Album art for missing images

I do a lot of cleaning up of album covers. When I find a page with no cover art for a recording and I have it. 1. What do I need to do to add it to the page so everyone can see it?

I thought there would be a drop in box to place it, but not seeing that I'm a little lost. I don't know if I would just upload it with the image button and it will be placed in the proper place by someone. I would hate to make a mess of a page if it did not go in the proper place.

I was also wondering if I have a better-looking image then the one showing. 2. Would you want the better-looking image to replace it? Some of them are so beat up and sad looking.

I would also need to know 3.Is there is a size limit? I work in 1000sq. I like a full-screen cover. But again I don't know the rules for cover art. So I could use some helpful info. Thank you. Ezz9 (talk) 07:01, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ezz9. Non-free album cover images must be low resolution and must be uploaded here to English Wikipedia with an acceptable fair use rationale. Begin by reading our policy on the use of non-free images. This policy is enforced quite strictly, but if you follow it carefully, you can upload album covers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:57, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

"Something Went Wrong" when I try to upload new image but no further explanation?

Hello Teahouse!

I am trying to upload a new image to an article about artist Stephen Sacklarian. There is currently no image of the artist himself on the page and I have one. Whenever I go to upload however I receive the message "Something Went Wrong" but no explanation or "source code" of any kind underneath. What does this mean?

P.S. I own the photo and there are no copyright issues or conflicts of issues, just would like the photo to be uploaded! Thank you for any help. 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk) 07:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Do you own the copyright to the photo? You probably do if you took it yourself, but if you own only a copy of the photo then someone else probably owns the copyright. See Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1 for some guidance on how and where to upload. Dbfirs 07:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! This helped. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 08:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Translation of the article of my company from French to English

Dear Teahouse, I am Asdesas4, nice to meet you!

I am a new contributor in the English version of Wikipedia, but already experimented in the French version.

Actually, I wrote an article in French for my company : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragone. so I am a paid contributor. My article has been improved and validated from many French Wikipedia collaborators. I am convinced that as Dragone is an international company that produces shows all over the world (just as the Cirque du Soleil do), this article may have an interest in the English version of Wikipedia.

Could I create here the English version of this article? It should have the same references as there are articles from international media and newspapers.

Fortunately for me I have colleagues that speak a better English than me, so the English version would be perfect.

What do you think of my project ? Can I start to work on it? Or who should I ask?

Asdesas4 (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Asdesas4: - Given your conflict of interest, policy would indicate that you probably should not write the article yourself. However, if you are proposing a direct translation, this should be fine, and your focus should primarily be on ensuring that the article scans properly in English, given the differences between English and French in terms of terminology, grammar and syntax. Si vous voulez commencer ce project, je pourrais t'aider avec votre traduction, et corriger les erreurs. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Stormy clouds: Thank you so much for your answer. I will do my best to show you the most accomplished possible article and then your check is going to be very very helpful. Let's keep in touch! Et merci d'avance

Asdesas4 (talk) 08:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Why do some images of Wikipedia entries show in Google preview and other don't?

Hello Teahouse!

I've noticed that for many places and people, when the name is searched on Google the Wikipedia article preview comes up in the top sidebar. Many people have their "profile Wikipedia image" show in the Google preview, while others do not. I have observed it does not appear to have to do with how "famous" the place or person is.

Is this something that should be done on the Wikipedia side? i.e. Somehow linking the image as the primary photo that person. Or is this a Google issue, subject to the powers that be on the Google side of things? Any help would be greatly appreciated! 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Who can fathom the algorithms of Google? Sometimes they present different results to different customers. Sometimes the image is obtained from outside Wikipedia, or even of someone else. Dbfirs 09:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Dbfirs I agree! Seems like these things are subject to powers and algorithms beyond the comprehension of us mere mortals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 09:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Google seems to have picked up your photo from Wikipedia, but is not displaying it with the Wikipedia content yet. Perhaps we need to wait a while for the web crawlers to index the page again. You take good photographs. Dbfirs 09:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! I try :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20thCenturyArtEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 10:05, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Creation of an English version of the French page Jean-Michel Roux ?

Hi, I am trying to create an English version of the page but can't find a simple way of doing it. The page already exist in French and Finnish, but when I tried to create the same page in English, I've been told the referencing is not enough.

thanks Denis

Denis xxx (talk) 11:20, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Denis xxx: I see that the draft you have created Draft:Jean-Michel Roux, like the French article fr:Jean-Michel Roux, cites no references at all. If you want to create an article about him in English Wikipedia, you'll need to find some citations of reliable independent publish sources with significant discussion of him. They may be in French if you can't find English ones. Maproom (talk) 11:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Denis xxx and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners. At present your page has not even a single reference to establish WP:Notability. Please find independent WP:Reliable sources where the subject has been written about in detail, and cite these. Each Wikipedia has its own separate rules for articles, so you can't just assume that French and Finnish articles make the subject notable here. Dbfirs 11:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

My first article doesn't seem to proceed from the draft state. Have I uderstood something wrong?

Dear wikipedians, I wrote a stub of a new article several days ago, but it doesn't seem to go anywhere from the draft state. Have I done something wrong here or is the way things proceed just this slow?

My article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:R%C3%A1dio_Yand%C3%AA

Best, Scandibahia

Scandibahia (talk) 10:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Scandibahia: Draft:Rádio Yandê has been submitted for article status, and rejected one minute later (which is remarkably fast, it can take months), for the reason given at the top: "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability." If you want things to proceed further, you'll need to address the reason for rejection, by finding and using better sources, as explained in the rejection notice. Maproom (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Autobiography has not been accepted

Hey! I'm a rap artist from Lithuania and wish to put my autobiography/biography on Wikipedia. This would obviously me a tremendous step forward regarding Google searches. So far, Google has put up the minimal amount of information about me (name/occupation/a few songs). Since I do not have much experience regarding editing - would anybody be able to write the biography for me? Even just a short paragraph would do. I'd be more than happy to provide any information necessary.

MusicUser (talk) 16:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

you have it backwards. this is an encyclopedia not a platform for promotion. When you become WP:Notable then you may get an article here. RudolfRed (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi MusicUser and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiographies because it is so difficult to write neutrally about yourself. Wikipedia has no interest whatsoever in what Google displays, and, as explained above, must not be used for promotion. Best wishes for your rap career, and when you are famous enough to have been written about at length in independent WP:Reliable sources, Wikipedia will consider you WP:Notable and will have an article about you. Dbfirs 16:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

MusicUser More specifically you would need to meet one of the notability criteria for musicians at WP:BAND; as stated, though, we are not concerned with Google results. Sorry. 331dot (talk) 16:39, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Non-internet sources

Is it possible to cite a source that is not on the internet?Minecraftr (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Minecraftr: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be on the Internet as long as they can be verified(i.e. a book in a library). Information on citing sources can be found at WP:CITE. 331dot (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks :)Minecraftr (talk) 18:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Graphic India

I reviewed Draft:Graphic India about six weeks ago and declined it as not satisfying corporate notability. User:KarmicRedemption has asked me to re-review it because they removed the external links and added references. My first thought is that it reads promotionally, but I will ask the advice of other experienced editors here.

Comments? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Can I create Portal for a football club?

Hi, Can I create Portal for a football club? Like Portal:FC Barcelona or Portal:FC Porto ? For example we have: Portal:Association football Clutching (talk) 19:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Clutching welcome to the Teahouse. My view is that your proposal would be "No" because it would be inappropriate. We have articles on individual topics like FC Barcelona and we then have Categories that link related articles together, like Category:FC Barcelona. A portal has a value (albeit a relatively limited one in my opinion) when you have a broad subject area. See Wikipedia:Portal, which states: "The idea of a portal is to help readers and/or editors navigate their way through Wikipedia topic areas through pages similar to the WP:Main Page." Now, I know nothing about football, but I'd suspect creating a portal on any narrow topic like one football club wouldn't serve any value to anyone apart from its creator. However, a portal on say Barcelona might be sufficiently broad as to merit creation. Looking at Portal:Contents/Portals one only really sees very broad topics being covered. If they're not actively maintained, Portals can also look very stale and irrelevant after a while, too, especially if the creator has added a "News" section and then never updates it. Portals that are deemed irrelevant can be put forward for consideration for deletion under this procedure: WP:MFD. Sorry to sound negative - others might have different opinions on this. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Renaming a draft page

I've recently created a draft page for the upcoming animated film, Foster. The title of the draft is Draft:Foster (film). Right after creating the page, I learned that an article with a topic unrelated to my draft page has the same title: Foster (film). I want to change the title for my draft page, but I don't want to move it to a different page and create a redirect out of the old page. I just want to have the article renamed without creating any more pages in the process. What can I do? Superchunk22 (talk) 12:17, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Superchunk22: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Renames are accomplished through a page move; however, since your page is a draft, I wouldn't worry about the exact title right now. If the page is accepted, the reviewer will put it at an appropriate title. 331dot (talk) 12:33, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh, ok, thanks for the help. Superchunk22 (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Superchunk, I have moved it to draft:Foster (2021 film) to differentiate it from the 2011 film. If and when the draft moves to mainspace it would be appropriate to put a hatnote on the other article. ϢereSpielChequers 21:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Add to Wikipedia

Greetings, I just want to say that I'm really eager to add a Wikipedia page of a certain business and I want to know how to do it. First, the business' name is "Just4Women." It can be founded in both countries Syria and Egypt, and it is gaining more influence every year. The thing that Just4women really misses is a Wikipedia page, in order to let different people from different places to know more about the new idea that Just4Women serves. So as a research, I can provide it through the owner himself and the crew, I just want to know what else is required and how do I create a page? Thank You. Ahmad Succar (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ahmad Succar: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Someone wanting a Wikipedia article to exist merely to tell the world about it is a promotional purpose, and a potential subject wanting a Wikipedia article or not is actually quite irrelevant as to whether they merit one or not. Not every business merits an article here. Wikipedia articles must do more than tell about a subject, such as an organization. It must summarize what is written about the subject in independent reliable sources, that indicates how it meets notability guidelines, in this case, WP:ORG. If you don't have independent sources, there cannot be a Wikipedia article about this business at this time.

I'm also not clear on if you are here as a representative of the business. If you are, it would be a conflict of interest(please review that page). If you are employed by the business, you need to review and comply with the paid editing policy. Either way, if you have proper sources, have reviewed WP:ORG, and can write in a neutral point of view, I would suggest using Articles for Creation to create an article. If you just want to tell the world about this business, you should use social media or its own website to do that. 331dot (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ahmad Succar:You should also read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Is it ok for me to make an article on a band I like?

I understand that one is strongly discouraged from making an article on something they are close to as it can create a bias but what if I make an article on a band I like? I do not believe that I would make a mistake like calling them "a good band" or anything the like and so would like to make an article on them. Would this still be as greatly discouraged?Lord Fimbelging (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lord Fimbelging. Simply being a fan of a band does not prevent you from writing a Wikipedia article about that band (assuming that the band is notable). However, if you are employed by the band, or have close personal relationships with members of the band, then that raises red flags. The most important first step is to determine whether this particular band meets our notability guideline for musical performers. I recommend that you also read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Christopher Wray profile

Under the Christopher Wray (FBI director) profile Wikipedia states:

“Wray was formally sworn in on September 28, 2017, in a ceremony that was not attended by President Trump, marking the first time an FBI director has been sworn in without the President who nominated him present at the ceremony.[28] Wikipedia goes on to report that: “On February 13, 2018, Wray testified at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing that the FBI had never been directed by President Trump to protect the United States from continued Russian interference in U.S. elections.[29] Harvard law professor Laurence H. Tribe compared this to a hypothetical situation in which Franklin Roosevelt did not respond to the attack on Pearl Harbor.[30] Charles M. Blow of the New York Times responded, "We patriots and dissidents ... are the last hope the country has of returning to what remains of a pre-Trump America, where ... our president showed more allegiance to our country than to another."[31]

I find this a despicable reporting in Wikipedia!!! It is a report made as an opinion without merit!!! It reflects the poor judgment of Wikipedia editorial staff to post such opinion, and places it as just more evidence of “fake news”. In the meantime, Wray must explain why the FBI totally failed to report or investigate the extensive report it had on file since January 5, 2018 about the shooter who just killed 14 innocent High school students two days ago in Florida. NOT ONE MENTION OF THAT! J.S. HARDY, MD Seabeck, WA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jchardy (talk • contribs) 00:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jchardy: If you have suggestions for changes to an article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page, and you can work with other interested editors to come to consensus on what changes (if any) should be done. RudolfRed (talk) 01:06, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Jchardy. Our goal is always the neutral point of view, and our technique is consensus. A sense of outrage is very rarely a useful tool for persuading other editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Editing My Music Profile

I was recently declined, and I just wanted some help on what I need to do to get my artist page approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRCS (talk • contribs) 04:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@MRCS: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not for having "your profile", it is for having articles about subjects shown to be notable in independent reliable sources. In your case you would need to meet at least one of the guidelines listed at WP:BAND. In viewing your draft you don't seem to have any independent sources that have in depth coverage of you and indicate that you meet one of the guidelines. Until you do, it will be difficult for there to be an article about you here. Note that such an article would be about you, but not "yours". If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media or a personal website. You cannot use Wikipedia to connect with fans, enhance your career, or help your Google results. 331dot (talk) 04:25, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft: The Sun and Her Flowers

I reviewed Draft:The Sun and Her Flowers three months ago and declined it, saying that it was non-neutral and read like a paper about the book rather than a neutral article on the book. Today User:Hmlarson, not the original author, wrote on my talk page that they have made improvements to the draft. I agree that it is better now. I would like the comments of other experienced editors. Thank you.

Robert McClenon (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I've removed some of the irrelevant guff from the article. I find it nauseating, it leaves me hoping that I never come across Kaur's work. There's a limit to how much of this task I can manage, I'll leave the rest for others. Maproom (talk) 08:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I also pruned a lot of the gushy stuff. More to the point - if there is an article about Rupi Kaur and it describes her two books, why does the second book (but not the first?) warrant its own article? Whatever remains of this draft might better be used to improve the Rupi Kaur article. David notMD (talk) 10:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

When and how do we add a globalize maintenance template to an article? ex Opioid epidemic

When and how do we add a globalize maintenance template to an article? ex Opioid epidemic appears to be focused almost exclusively on the United States.Oceanflynn (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey Oceanflynn. Well the first thing we'd need to sort out is whether the subject is a global one in the first place. It looks a lot like the term is a specific reference to the trend in the US and Canada, which would mean that a focus on the US and Canada would be appropriate. For example, we wouldn't expect the articles on Appalachia or Kimono to include a particularly global perspective, since the subjects are pretty limited in scope.

If it turns out that it is in fact appropriate, then like most maintenance tags, it's usually best practice to try to fix problems before tagging, and then tag only if this cannot be done due to things like limited access to sources, the majority of sources being in a language you might not speak, or time constraints. It's also usually helpful to spell out the identified issues on the talk page when adding a maintenance template, and attempt to start a discussion geared to fixing them. GMG^talk 17:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I was wondering if you could help me with the creation of this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rob_Niter

Hi, the draft article for Rob Niter could use some assistance from experienced editors to be moved into name space. Are you able to enhance it? The comments for why it was declined are listed. Thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rob_Niter

Dylanwhite56 (talk) 18:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dylanwhite56. The main claim to notability is that this person has won several "Musclemania" weight lifting competitions. Musclemania does not seem to be a notable athletic competition, so that is not a plausible claim of notability as an athlete. In addition, this person has had a couple of minor acting roles but nothing sufficient to establish his notability as an actor. Plus, he gave CPR to a jogger who may have had a heart attack, which was a wonderful thing to do, but not a plausible claim of notability. The draft article is loaded up with references to low quality sources like blog posts, press releases and obvious reprints of press releases. In conclusion, it does not seem like this person is notable as Wikipedia defines that term at this time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

How do I (1) upload a photo and (2) makes reference links

Hello, joined today and wish to add a photo, a further description and a couple of book references to a Grevillea reference already here on Wikipedia. - I have read the instructions and tried and go totally confused. - I have read the questions and answers below and got totally confused. - What is the picture library and where do I find that which someone mentioned in an answer below - can I upload a photo directly to the article? - What size picture is accepted? Thank you Kalaryder (talk) 07:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello Kalaryder welcome to our friendly Teahouse. It's great to see someone wanting to improve botanical articles, though you have chosen two quite hard tasks on your first day of editing. Maybe take one step at a time and do some minor rewording or grammar enhancement to get a feel of the tool wouldn't be a bad idea. First of all, have you already found the photo on Wikimedia Commons that you want to insert, or is it a new photograph which you own the rights to that you want to upload?  If you can answer that one, we'll know the best advice to then give you. Here is the category of images for the taxon. There's a search bar at the top right of the page.

Meanwhile, may I suggest you read this advice sheet which should assist you: Help:Referencing for beginners. In essence, either of our editing tools has a "cite" template which you find by looking for the "cite" button. You'll then see a template with fields which you fill in for title, author, date, publisher, etc. Don't worry if you make a mistake when editing. So long as you realise it, you can quickly go to the View History tab, look for your last edit at the top, and click "undo". That'll return the article to how it was before you tried to work on it. We all make mistakes from time to time, so it's a nice option to be able to fall back on. Nobody can break Wikipedia like that! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

The above answer is better than a canned reply, but I will still give the canned reply with barebones instructions for image upload:

To use an image on Wikipedia, follow these steps:

1. Ascertain carefully the copyright status of the image. If in doubt, ask. As a rule of thumb, images that you did not take yourself are almost always under copyright, and images that you took can be released under a free license.
2. If the image is in the public domain, or under a free license compatible with Wikimedia Commons' license requirements, or if you hold the copyrights and are willing to release the image under such a license, upload it on Wikimedia Commons using the Upload Wizard.
3. If the image is neither public domain nor available under a free license, check whether it satisfies all non-free content criteria. In particular, photographs of living people almost never qualify. If it does not, it cannot be used on Wikipedia; do not upload it. If it does, upload it on Wikipedia (not on Wikimedia Commons).
4. Once the image has been uploaded to the Wikimedia Foundation's servers (either to Commons or Wikipedia), follow the steps in the picture tutorial to place the image in an article.

Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi and thank you

the photos I intend to use will all be my own. I spend a lot of time photographing wildflowers in Western Australia. No the flower I intend to use is not showing beside the article I wish to add it too. Yes willing to release it - thank you I will add to the Upload Wizard.

I will struggle through the reading again for referencing - it's a pity I need to do that as I can describe the plants much better through my personal viewing of them. Can I describe the plants such a way without having find someone else's description and paraphrasing? Thanks Kalaryder (talk) 23:56, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

@Kalaryder: My apologies for the delay in replying - I've been busy elsewhere and because your reply didn't include my username, I received no automatic notification of your response. No, definitely do not use your own experience to describe a plant! Just as you can't write your own opinions about a person, you must equally base your description of a plant on a published source (a citation). We would get in absolutely dire mess if editors just described a taxon by what they personally knew of a plant from within one habitat in just one part of the world. That said, many botanical descriptions can be very technical and there's nothing to prevent you simplifying it considerably. (cleistogamous->self-pollinating; hirsute lamellae-> hairy leaves etc.) In fact this is often very helpful, as botanical descriptions can be hard for most people to interpret, and this can be the real value of a Wikipedia plant article, especially if you do add your own photos to help tell that story. If you'd care to let me know which article you want to start working on, I'll keep an eye on it for you and help you out in any way I can. You've only ever made two edits to the Teahouse, so it's impossible to know which of the dozens of Grevilleas you might want to work on. Can I also request that you only upload photos where you are totally, 100%, absolutely confident of the correct identification of the species concerned. Wikipedia is fixated on reliable sources for citations, but no-one seems to care much about addressing incompetently labelled images on Commons. Please don't add to that problem. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Sources for editing

Hello, I have a question concerning copyrights of sources for editing a Wikipedia page. I frequently edit Wikipedia pages on vintage Hollywood stars. For some stars, I have already written extensive, original biographies on their IMDb page. Once, I copied my own original biography from an IMDb page and added it to the star's Wikipedia page. However, my edits were quickly removed due to copyright reasons, as Wikipedia found those same paragraphs externally online (IMDb, obviously.) My question is, is there a way I can 'copy' the biographies that I wrote and add them to Wikipedia? I have no intention of trying the process again unless there is a safe way of doing so that will not automatically violate copyright issues. Thanks for you time. VintageCowgirl95 (talk) 01:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, VintageCowgirl95. Every IMDb page has a prominent copyright notice at the bottom. Once you contribute content to a copyrighted website, that content by definition is not eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia, except for brief attributed quotations. This is a rock solid Wikipedia policy.

Your story shows why we consider IMDb an unreliable source, in general. Since IMDb includes massive amounts of user-contributed content, it should not be used as a general rule on Wikipedia, for the exact same reason that one Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Please read Wikipedia:Citing IMDb.

You must write any Wikipedia biography "from scratch", citing reliable sources and summarizing only what they say, without any original research. The prose must be completely different than your prose at IMDb. Your previous knowledge can inform your work here but it cannot be the basis of a new article. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

What about creating content at Wikipedia first, and then using the same content at IMBd? David notMD (talk) 10:48, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

That would be allowed, at least as far as Wikipedia is concerned. I don't know about IMDB's rules. Maproom (talk) 10:58, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and the information!

VintageCowgirl95 (talk) 01:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)