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Creating a company page

Hi,

So my question is, I tried to create a page for a company called Easyship, but it got deleted twice. I was wondering if there is a way to create a page for a company without it being deleted? Thanks. Kingd97 (talk) 03:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kingd97. The article was deleted for "No credible indication of importance" and when you tried again, re-creation of this article was blocked. Experienced Wikipedia editors are vigilant in opposing promotional or advertising type articles. This is not LinkedIn or a social media website. It is an encyclopedia. In order to write an article about this company, you must convince experienced editors that this company is notable enough for an encyclopedia article, based on citing significant coverage of this company in reliable sources that are completely independent of the company. Wikipedia is not a business directory. Read and study Your first article, and follow its recommendations scrupulously. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:10, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Can you give me 1 more chance to create a Wikipedia page for Easyship? This time I have prepared citations for all the points that I have made, and I will include it in the citations/references category, and all the sources are credible and independent from the company. Thanks. Kingd97 (talk) 09:49, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@Kingd97: I would ask if you represent or work for this company that you are attempting to write about; if you do, it is what we call a conflict of interest and if you have one you should not edit about your company directly. It is often hard for people with a conflict of interest(COI) to edit about their company objectively. Additionally, if you work for this company, you are required to clearly state that per Wikipedia's Terms of Use(in other words, in order to be allowed to edit Wikipedia you must state a paid relationship if you have one). Whether you have a COI or not, you can submit a draft using the Article Wizard where it can be independently reviewed. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kingd97. It might help if you drop the idea of writing a page for a company. Wikipedia doesn't contain pages for companies or anything else (or against them). What it contains is articles about notable subjects. This might seem a nitpick, but I believe that the assumptions it implies are a big part of why so many new articles get deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 09:59, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Kingd97, Cullen328, 331dot, ColinFine, InsertCleverPhraseHere. Kingd97 has begun a new article at Draft:Coco haring which seems, despite that title, to be another attempt at writing an article about Easyship. I took the liberty of doing a fairly cursory Google News search and found this DealStreetAsia article, this Tech in Asia article, and a couple of South China Morning Post articles which I can't access because they're subscription-only. Based on this, I am going to assume in good faith that Kingd97 has, as they stated above, assembled sources to support an article, and I think they should be given a chance to build a draft from those sources. Many articles which eventually passed Articles for Creation review began as undersourced disasters, after all. Kingd97, you are welcome to ask for further help here as you work on the draft you created; creating a new article from scratch is a challenging task for any editor, never mind one who is new to Wikipedia's policies. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 13:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, 331dot, ColinFine, InsertCleverPhraseHere. Thank you User:GrammarFascist for giving me 1 more chance to create a company page for Easyship. It means a lot to me. Oh and by the way, you can delete the Coco haring article. Thank you. Kingd97 (talk) 04:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

review my draft please thank you in advance :)

review my draft please thank you in advance :)Rearm21 (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Response below.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

On phone

Hello, hope everyone is doing great. I am on phone, and the display is so different from that on a laptop. May i know where to see the history of a page? Adityavagarwal (talk) 03:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: It should be on the bottom of the page instead, where it says "last edited by". Alex Shih ^Talk 04:29, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Adityavagarwal. I do most of my editing on an Android smart phone. I use the fully functional desktop site rather than the more limited mobile site. My experience after five years of editing this way is that I have a fully functional Wikipedia editing device in the palm of my hand. Just scroll to the bottom of any mobile Wikipedia page for a link you can click to bring up the fully functional desktop site on your smartphone. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I found it.

Thanks a lot! I wonder why we do not have more features on the mobile version. Many editors who first time edit through mobile, might not even know about various other things on wikipedia. Even the front page is condensed; there is no DYK, etc. on the main page of the mobile version. Adityavagarwal (talk) 05:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

If you're using Chrome on an Android phone, you can click on the three dots at the top right of the screen, then check "Request desktop site", to trick the server into providing the fully functional version. Maproom (talk) 06:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, instead, I found a link "Desktop" at the bottom of the screen. It showed me the normal desktop mode. Also, thanks a lot!

Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:58, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure, that works too, but (in my experience), the effect isn't permanent, you'll have to keep repeating it. Maproom (talk) 07:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Immediate help required

User: 50.4.60.91 Is constantly vandalizing BLPs. I have reported him and left him a warning too. However, they do not stop vandalizing pages. Adityavagarwal (talk) 07:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Adityavagarwal: Blocked - I'm working the backlogs at AIV/UAA at the moment, apologies it took a while to get to your report and thank you for your great work in reverting vandalism -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 07:22, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much! In the past ten minutes, they have been constantly vandalizing (it was difficult to even ask on Teahouse, due to the frequency of vandalism being so much that I was just reverting them).

Adityavagarwal (talk) 07:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

The information is not right

Some information about our school (IGS VietNam) by English, Vietnamese and German are not right. I tried to change it already but looks like it's still there by German, what should i do now? thanks Huynh Thanh Long (talk) 04:02, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Huynh Thanh Long, and thank you for your edit to International German School Ho Chi Minh City. I don't have any idea whether those allegations were true or not, but they were not cited to a reliable source and they were contentious, so you were right to boldly edit the article to remove them.

I think you are referring to the articles about IGS Vietnam on the English, German and Vietnamese Wikipedias. Unfortunately I cannot advise you regarding other-language Wikipedias, because each Wikipedia has its own rules and structures, and I cannot understand either German or Vietnamese. (By the way, in English we say something is written in a language, not by that language; for example, "Some information about our school in English, Vietnamese and German was not right.") You can try clicking the word for "help" in the left sidebar of the German and Vietnamese Wikipedia pages, which should hopefully take you to those Wikipedias' versions of the Help Desk and/or Teahouse. Good luck, and feel free to return here with any future questions you may have! —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 07:55, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Goodafternoon editors can you review my draft thank you :)

Goodafternoon editors can you review my draft thank you :)05:43, 11 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rearm21 (talk • contribs)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Rearm21. Please do not post asking the same question twice, especially after such a short interval. The Teahouse is staffed entirely by volunteers who have no set schedules, so sometimes questions may go unanswered for several hours. Remember that on Wikipedia there is no deadline.

I saw that you left me two messages in your sandbox's talk page. I am going to respond to one and leave the other for later, as I am up well past my bedtime already. Other Teahouse volunteers may or may not also review your draft and provide feedback in the meantime. Thank you for your understanding. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 08:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Notability guidelines

I am editing the article on writer and translator Rohini Chowdhury: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohini_Chowdhury

This has the following alert: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond its mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted.

When I click on 'books' under 'Find sources', I come to a long list of books written by her on Google books. And when I click on scholar, I once again find many places where she and her work have been mentioned.

So my questions: a) should I put those links into the article, and if so, where? and b) will this establish notability?

With thanks, Rosham S Rosham0730 (talk) 14:04, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Rosham0730, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately a long list of publications, however significant, is irrelevant to establishing notability as that term is used on Wikipedia. The only way the notability of a subject can be established is by providing 1) multiple reliable sources which 2) discuss the subject of the proposed Wikipedia article 3) at some length (more than a passing mention). I have reviewed the sources currently cited in the article; the sources which I can access and which seem to meet Wikipedia's reliability requirements — Tellings and Text and Goodbooks.in — do not cover Chowdhury, as opposed to her work, in sufficient detail. Some of the other sources you have cited may not meet Wikipedia's reliability requirements. Note that you are allowed to cite sources in languages other than English, provided that such sources contain information that would contribute to the article. I hope this helps you understand what is needed in order for the article to remain on Wikipedia. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 19:56, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

GrammarFascist, you speak of sources that cover Chowdhury, as opposed to her work, in sufficient detail. However, in nthe case of creative professionals such as authors, WP:NAUTHOR says The person's work (or works) ... has won significant critical attention. In short, coverage of an author's works is coverage of the author, as far as establishing notability goes. Rosham0730, If there are multiple critical reviews published in reliable sources that discuss the author's work in detail, that is enough for there to be an article about the author, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:53, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction, DES. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 22:31, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, GrammarFascist and DES, for your answers. They were helpful.

As per what you say about coverage of an author's work, the wiki article on Chowdhury has at least six articles on and critical reviews of her work that are more than a passing mention.

These are:

"Songs of the Shattered Throat, 2017, Number 1". Modern Poetry in Translation. Retrieved 15 July 2017.

"The remains of the self". The Telegraph, India. September 4, 2009.

Cort, John (June 2010). "Ardhakathanak, A Half Story". Religious Studies Review. 36 (2).
"Vishnusharma and the timeless Panchatantra". BookLink. Retrieved 9 August 2017.
"Review by Subhadra Sengupta, Verges Kurien: The Milkman of India". Goodbooks. Retrieved 15 July 2017.
"Review by Harbir K Singh, New Light on the Buddha". The Tribune, India. The Tribune. Retrieved 15 July 2017.

These are all established publications, though some are not available online. Are these sufficient to establish notability? There are other articles and reviews of Chowdhury's work in print publications, which I am also trying to access.

Thank you again. 86.190.160.254 (talk) 08:57, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Adding a new drop down section

Hi, I want to add a new drop down section to an article but I am not sure how. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSwish23 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi JSwish23, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you do mobile editing so I guess you just want to add a normal level 2 section header. It looks like == Section header == in source mode and can be inserted at the top if you edit the following section, or at the bottom if you edit the previous section. See more at Help:Section. Level 2 sections are drop-down in the mobile version but not in the desktop version where most editors work. There drop-down content is another feature so I first thought you wanted something else. In the desktop version it is possible to edit the whole page at once by clicking an edit tab at top. Then you can insert section headers anywhere. At the bottom of mobile pages you may have a "Desktop" link. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

how to submit my story

my wikipedia story is ready for submission. How do I do this and add pictures as well12.228.48.145 (talk) 09:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi 12.228.48.145. Special:Contributions/12.228.48.145 shows no other edits so I cannot tell what you are working on. Calling it "my story" makes me concerned whether it's something suited for Wikipedia. Have you saved a page somewhere? If so then you can add {{subst:Submit}} to the bottom. If not then you can start at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. See Wikipedia:Uploading images, or Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for more details if the images are already uploaded. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Help

I recently wrote a biography of Saniya Zia a local artist and writer in Jeddah. Wikipedia is asking reverence. Where and how can I add reference plus what kind of references are required.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashan Khan Sherazi (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Kashan Khan Sherazi: Hello and welcome. All articles, especially those about living people, need to have independent reliable sources that indicate how the subject is notable. You can learn how to add them at this page on citing sources. I'm not sure a "local artist" would have such sources, but if you are aware of any(which would be things like news stories or independent reviews of their work), they can be added. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Uploading a Company Logo on Behalf of Copyright Holder

I am writing an article for a company/website that I work for, so I'm trying to be extra diligent not to violate any policies, etc. (Some of this discussion took place on my user talk page Here).

I know that images uploaded to Wikipedia need to be in the public domain/under a free license/fair use, etc. But I believe there is some exception having to do with official company logos? What particular considerations are there in regards to logos? Or, does anyone know of a help page that deals with this issue specifically?

Thanks :D
CeraWithaC (talk) 12:02, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Generally speaking, company logos are under copyright and are not free to reuse. However, Fair Use provides an avenue under which such logos can be used on Wikipedia. You will need to provide a full Fair Use rationale (see the link) and the logo must be used in a live article (if you add it to a draft, the image will be removed. Yunshui ^雲 _水 12:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

WP:CWW -- What's the point?

I intended to clean up an article marked {Copypaste} from 2016. It was fresh in Oct 2016, a complete article, but with tags that indicated they had been retrieved several years before. It was a mashup of other articles from WP or mirrors.

WP:CWW says a new article like this one needs to have attribution unless WP:NOATT applies or WP:PATT is satisfied. I got into a discussion with another editor who deleted a speedy-delete tag and said the process was fine.

The logical result, over time, is that we end up with a multiplicity of articles describing the same content in different mixtures. There is no harm in that, but if an error is injected into one copy, it can be copied from parent to child indefinitely. Because these pages all come with references, they look legit. Only a review of every line and reference would fix each one. Fixing one leaves the others broken.

WP editors, according to their own desires like to format, correct grammar mistakes, discover new facts and cite them, rearrange old unwieldy articles, or create new ones. That is satisfying work. You can see you results. Asking someone to verify every reference in an article is not very popular, as you can tell from the backlogs. There a million articles with bad references. Every time one of those articles is copied, the number goes up again.

In the database world, there is a concept called normality. One such standard is third form normal. In it a fact (datum) occurs only once. It is either correct or false. Fix it once and it is fixed everywhere. We allow wikilinks to whole articles. Why not have another form of wikilink that allows one to build an article from portions of other articles? Instead of copying a paragraph, leaving two separate paragraphs that have to be maintained, there is only one underlying paragraph that is correct in both articles? It would solve so many problems where we now use {main}. The subsidiary article explodes and get out of sync with the main article.

It's a big step, but it would solve many problems. I'm not quite sure where to post this question, but here. Rhadow (talk) 10:32, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

This is an interesting suggestion, but one that would be better proposed at the Village Pump proposals board - the Teahouse is great for help, but isn't a good place to suggest new features. It's technically possible to sort of do what you describe already, by transcluding sections from other articles (although I don't know of any mainspace page that does this), but there are also attribution issues to consider (Wikiepdia requires that all content be correctly attributed, even if its from other Wikipedia pages). Nevertheless, there may be some users interested in this; I would recommend posting at the Village Pump when you have a moment. Yunshui ^雲 _水 12:29, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I will. Consider this discussion closed. Rhadow (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

How do I get to my account?

I know it's probably a very stupid question, but I really don't know. I use both my phone and my pc, but when I try to get onto Wiki, I don't know how to get to my account so I type in the article that I was doing edits on. Sorry. So new to this. GrammerCracker96 (talk) 01:26, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey! You can log in on the top right with the log in button. Jdcomix (talk) 01:49, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but I was having a similar issue finding pages that I've worked on. Once you're logged in, you'll see your username at the top. Clicking on that will lead to your user page, and it has a bunch of tabs along the top. Hover over "User" and you'll see "Contributions" (which shows all your edits) and "Userspace" (which is where any Userspace drafts are as wells as any "books" you've made with the Book Creator tool). I don't know if that's what you're looking for, but I hope it helps :) CeraWithaC (talk) 12:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I am always logged in, but because of the suggestion to log in I tried clicking on the magnifying glass icon and it brought my account page up. Thanks all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrammerCracker96 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Barnstars/Thanks

How do I correctly post the barnstars to a users talk page? I saw that the WP:* or WP:STAR is used, but it didn't show up correctly. Also, sometimes a "thanks" button will appear for me to thank someone for their answer and sometimes it won't. I really want to show my appreciation to all those who have helped me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrammerCracker96 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

(ec) GrammerCracker96 Hello, and welcome to the teahouse!

Answer to your first question: 1. You can go to the user's talk page to whom you want to give the barnstar, and click on the "red heart" icon beside the "view history" link at the top of the page. You would then be able to see a section "Barnstars" under the "Select type". If you clicked that, a "Select a barnstar" dropdown box would appear. You could select the barnstar you would like to give. Then, you could type in the message that would appear with the barnstar (do not sign it).

2. You could also see WP:Barnstar to see a list of barnstars, and then go to the user's talk page whom you want to give the barnstar, and click on "New section" beside "View history" link at the top of the page. Click on that, and put in a subject heading and copy-paste the barnstar template (example {{subst:The Original Barnstar|1=message ~~~~|2=alt}} for "The Original Barnstar") from WP:Barnstar. Fill in the message you would like to add to the barnstar (1=message). Leave an edit summary, and click "Save". Viola!

Answer to your second question: If The edit made by somebody is very minor, then the "thank" link doesn't appear. Only the "undo" link appears.

I hope that helps. Kindly feel free to ask if you have any other questions!

Adityavagarwal (talk) 13:21, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether the edit is minor. If you are logged in then edits by other logged in users should have a "thank" link, e.g. in page histories and diffs. You cannot thank bots (usernames usually ending with "Bot") or logged out users, and you have to be logged in yourself. See more at Wikipedia:Notifications/Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

YouTube?

I see that some artists, i.e. Bocelli, have links to YouTube and other social media. Isn't that disallowed? GrammerCracker96 (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi GrammerCracker96. YouTube links are discouraged in many situations but not banned unless it's to a copyright violation. If you think of an external links section with a link to an official YouTube channel like Andrea Bocelli#External links then it's allowed by Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. See also Wikipedia:External links#Linking to user-submitted video sites and other parts of the page for more details. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:42, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Glitch in Wikipedia Adventure

I'm new to Wiki and taking the Adventure. At key points in the tutorial it asks me to save changes or edits but the instruction box is covering the save changes button. If I close the box without saving I have to start over. How can I get around this? I'm using Safari on a MacBook Mike L Hamel (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mike. I don't know the answer but if I might suggest an alternative, you might try the Wikipedia:Tutorial instead. It may be that a game is better to hold the interest of some, but IMO the tutorial, if you are willing to stick with it, provides a better Wikipedia (avoid Wiki btw;-) education. After completing it, another page that I think does a great job, though it's not guided, is Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

thanksMike L Hamel (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

"Graded" Artcles?

Are articles graded? (A, B, C...? I'm looking for a link to find out what the articles I'm working on,are graded. Who is it that does the grading? Lots of questions this morning. GrammerCracker96 (talk) 14:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello GrammerCracker96, and welcome back to the teahouse! The information on grading is available here. If you want to know which grade an article belongs to, go to the talk page of that article. For example, if you see the talk page for Alessandro Safina, you could see it is mentioned there that it is a C-Class article. I hope this helps. Kindly feel free to ask again when in doubt! Cheers.

Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Write article based on own knowledge

If I personally know some information like, suppose I grew up with a celebrity so I know him very well, but I'm not able to provide published reference. In this case may I write an article about him? Thanks. Jim. 50.232.40.170 (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry Jim, but no. As an encyclopedia, which is by definition a tertiary source, and per our policies WP:V and WP:NOR, everything in here must come from an already published source. John from Idegon (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Editing Infoboxes

I am trying to add information to an infobox. I edit it like I want and when I view the changes it looks like I want it to, but when I press save it doesn't change. Can you help? JSwish23 (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi JSwish23. Your edits to Lee's Summit West High School are visible to me. Try to bypass your cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability

Esteemed Editors/Writers,

I wrote an article for Wikipedia about the author of a website. However, it has been declined. I tried to make the improvements to it but I every time I failed. I was told that "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability". I have reviewed the new writer's tutorial as well as other published pages on artists and based my draft on them. If any of you can give me some feedback or edit my draft to bring it to a more acceptable state, I would really appreciate it! The article URL is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Farooq_Ahmad_Bhat Thanks in advance Farooq Ahmad Bhat 16:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Farooq2016: the draft has now been deleted but two things. Firstly it was an autobiography - something strongly discouraged and secondly, even you hadn't written it yourself, it didn't give any indication of why you are notable; writing a blog does not make you a notable person until you start attracting attention like, for example, Belle de Jour (writer). Nthep (talk) 16:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Farooq Ahmad Bhat -- Welcome to Wikipedia. There are some basics to passing a review. Toolihalan appears to have slipped through. It has no references. Same with the instant article. There will need to be some independent sources about Farooq Ahmad Bhat. That doesn't include Facebook or Linked In. The other big problem is that it appears to both about you and written by you. That is a Conflict of Interest. Rhadow (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

How should patents be cited as sources?

How should patents be cited as sources? I haven't been able to find a suitable template specifically for patents, nor an indication of which more general template (if any) should be used for them. To be concrete, I'm looking to format the citation for US Patent 5488083 A that I added to the article Polymer solution as an unstructured external link. Syrenka V (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Syrenka V. We have so many citation templates that it is hard to find a particular one. See {{cite patent}}. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I've now updated the page with a formatted reference. I'm assuming that if the patent has a grant date which is the same as the publication date, the latter does not need to be included. —Syrenka V (talk) 19:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Syrenka V. Do note that an actual patent is a primary source and should be used only with care, and only for the most obvious, facially evident details. For an interpretation, a secondary source is needed, and a secondary source is really preferred if one is available. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:50, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Will removal of rejected link reinstate all other edits I made?

Hi Friends.

I recently made some major updates on a page for a client of mine, Ken Urban. It was a very short page, made previously by fans and students, and Ken asked me to update much of his info, as two of his plays will make World Premieres soon, he just took on the role of head of MIT's playwriting program, and he sold a TV pilot.

While the edits stayed up a day or two, the full complement of them seem to have been rejected when I went back to add in a link Ken wanted to mention his music career.

Anyhow, before I try again by removing the offending link, I want to know if its likely my previous revisions will be reinstated upon removal of the link or if I have to redo the whole thing.

Thank you!

John Michael -- new editor Johnmichaelkennedy (talk) 15:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Johnmichaelkennedy: Hello and welcome. As you state you are editing for your client, I would ask you to review the conflict of interest policy if you haven't already. Also, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to comply with the paid editing policy if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia either specifically or as part of your job.

Regarding the link you mentioned, it appears that the bot that reverted the link also reverted your other edits. As you seem to have a conflict of interest, I would suggest that you first propose edits you would like to see on the article talk page (click "Talk" at the top of the article to access it). I would note that most of the edits seem to be unsourced and would need independent reliable sources to be included. I'm not sure the link you added would be one; independent sources would be things like news stories or independent review of his work, not user-editable things like blogs. 331dot (talk) 15:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

331dot: Thank you so much for your helpful answer. I have updated my user page with disclosure information and will do so in the talk section as I revise my edits on Ken's page. Our goal was to add updated factual information and I understand we need to source as much of it as possible from reliable news sources.

I look forward to making a better page! Thanks for your help. JMK Johnmichaelkennedy (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Johnmichaelkennedy, one small but very important point: You don't have to source "as much as possible from reliable sources". Especially in articles about living persons, you have to source everything from reliable sources. Rojomoke (talk) 06:04, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

What to do when someone keeps adding incorrect information.

Both parties are warned to follow the proper dispute resolution policy, which does not include arguing at the Teahouse.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I'm at a loss for what to do. There is a small group of editors that insist on adding a piece of incorrect information to the article and reverting it every time it is removed adding that "we should discuss it if we dont agree" even though the consensus on the talk page is that it does not belong there. I could use a little guidance on how to proceed.FP2C (talk) 06:59, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Please note that the above editor has been warned for edit-warring, with a possible violation of WP:3RR. -- Alex^TW 07:02, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

I feel as though I'm being harassed. I didn't mention the editor by name because I wanted to find the proper way of dealing with this situation and now they are posting here, trying to discredit my concern. Please feel free to follow the discussion on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westworld_(TV_series) so that you can see what is occurring.FP2C (talk) 08:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

The editor is now canvassing other editors on their talk pages to join the discussion. I believe that this editor's negatives far outweigh any positive that could come from this discussion now. -- Alex^TW 08:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

I have not "canvassed", I asked ONE of the previous commentators to come back to the discussion as there had been more points made since his last commentFP2C (talk) 08:15, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Created a draft, saved without submitting, now it's gone?

Hi!

I was working on a new page, and I created and worked on a draft most of the day. It wasn't *quite* ready, but it did include plenty of sources, good formatting, and my best attempts at adherence to Wikipedia's policies. I hit Save Page, but didn't submit just yet.

I tried to go back to looking at it again a few moments ago, and I can't find it anywhere! It's not at the draft link that it should be at, there are no comments anywhere that I can read that explain why it might have been deleted, and I can't find a button to access any current drafts anywhere.

Am I just dense and missing something? Or do I have to redo all my work?

Thanks so much! Duckvalentine (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Duckvalentine -- I discovered that when a Save fails, as in edit contention, in my browser Chrome, I can go back a few pages and find my work. Best of luck. Sorry for your loss. Rhadow (talk) 22:37, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

@Duckvalentine: Your account has no edits to deleted pages and Special:Contributions/Duckvalentine shows no saved drafts today. If you were logged in at the time then it wasn't actually saved. New users often overlook something when they think they have saved a page, e.g. a message saying they have to fill out a CAPTCHA because they made external links. Click "Contributions" at the top right of any page to see your saved edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

It's too late to give this advice now, except for future attempts, but draft space allows you some leeway to build up an article gradually, and the unfinished draft will not be deleted unless it contains copyright material or has been abandoned, so it is a good idea to save every ten minutes or so, as most people do in a word-processing application, then if something goes wrong, you have not lost hours of work. Sorry about the lost work, but if it was never saved to Wikipedia then we have no way to recover it for you. Dbfirs 08:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, everyone! I swear I filled out the CAPTCHA and saved, but I guess if it's not there then it's not there. I still have the text saved in a word doc, so I'll add the citations again and try later today.Duckvalentine (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Duckvalentine: If you were logged out when you saved then it will be registered under your IP address. If you still have the same IP address then log out and click Special:MyContributions. If you say what the page was about then we can search for it. There are tens of thousands of draft pages and new users sometimes save drafts in odd places. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

How do I request access to modify a semi-protected article?

How do I request access to modify a semi-protected article, apart from using the general template in the article itself? ThanksMelrorross (talk) 13:32, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Melrorross, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can use {{Edit semi-protected}} or {{Edit protected}} on the talk page to request that an edit be made on your behalf when you don't have the rights needed. Be sure to specify quite exactly what edit you want made and why, usually you will need to provide a source or sources. However, you should be autoconfirmed and able to make this edit yourself. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Subject: Editing

Is it easy to edit something together? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuriBadiha Sunshine (talk • contribs) 13:33, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello JuriBadiha Sunshine, and welcome to the Teahouse. To make an edit is easy enough, just click "edit" or "edit source" and type in your contribution. there are some tricks (well, techniques) to anything beyond simple text. See Help:editing for details. Knowing what to edit and when is harder, and I'm not sure what you mean by edit something together. What kind of edits do you want to make? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:49, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Questions About Tables

How do you collapse boxes together? And is there a way to center text within a box?Miso16 (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Miso16, and welcome to the Teahouse. All of this and much moe is described in Help:Table, particualrly the section "More complex examples" and the sections on COLSPAN and ROWSPAN. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:47, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I looked through the page but I'm still confused on how to make text appear in the center of a cell.Miso16 (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Miso16 Note that this wiki code:

{|class="wikitable" |- ! Col 1 !! Col 2 !! col 3 |- | Cell 1 || cell 2 || Cell 3 with significantly longer content |- | Cell 4 || cell 5 || style="text-align: center;"| 6 centered |- | Cell 7 || cell 8 || Cell 9 |}

produces this table:

Col 1	Col 2	col 3
Cell 1	cell 2	Cell 3 with significantly longer content
Cell 4	cell 5	6 centered
Cell 7	cell 8	Cell 9

The key addition is style="text-align: center;"| in front of the cell to be centered. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Other use of inline CSS can also be done though such a style= section of a cell. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Problem uploading photograph to existing wikipedia page

I have uploaded the image and provided relevant information but don't understand how to upload it to my pageFundyfan (talk) 01:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Fundyfan:, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am assuming your question is related to File:Don Soker Contemporary Art Location.jpg (please always provide a link or name, if you ask about a specific page). All files are only uploaded once - the display in Wikipedia articles is added with links to the previously uploaded file. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images contains all basic information about practical image usage on Wikipedia - the section "How to place an image" includes some good examples and detailed information about image placement in general. If you have any additional specific questions, please feel free to ask here anytime. GermanJoe (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Replying

How do I reply to a talk message? JRF21023 (talk) 01:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, JRF21023, and welcome to the Teahouse. To respond to a talk page message, first click "edit source" next to the section title of the section you are replying to. Next, scroll to the bottom of the text box that appears, and add one colon : at the beginning of each paragraph you write, unless the person you are responding to has already used one or more colons at the beginning of their paragraph(s). In that case you would use one more colon than they used, beginning your paragraphs with ::, :::, even four or more if necessary. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 03:13, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Need some discussion

In Incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China.There are other accounts from China and other confirmed socks puppet that part of the vocabulary is controversial and need to be discussed.101.9.164.32 (talk) 03:21, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I have listed my reasons at Talk:Incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China. Esiymbro (talk) 03:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

In simple terms,you don't allow non-Chinese views.--101.9.162.216 (talk) 03:32, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@Esiymbro: Can you explain why there are other Chinese repeat your editors in a short time?--O1lI0 (talk) 04:55, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Because they know Chinese. A Chinese word is right in the first line, and the translation is wrong. So there is nothing suspicious: Every Chinese who see the article would notice that.

But only my opinion. You may want to ask those other editors if they have a different reason to edit. Esiymbro (talk) 05:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

And he edited the page. The editing time was too close. The theme was too similar.--O1lI0 (talk) 05:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Personal facts/citations

Hello, everyone, good day to you all! If I'm editing in an article and I include parts I know from personal experience but based on the other parts of the article, do I have to cite it (because I'm bad at citations) or can someone else look over it? Thanks Sp4ce p0t4t0 (talk) 02:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Sp4ce p0t4t0, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately your personal knowledge cannot be used on Wikipedia articles unless you can cite a reliable source which confirms your personal knowledge. I know citations can be a pain to format... are you editing Wikipedia manually, or using the Visual Editor? I find the Visual Editor takes much of the grief out of formatting citations, so you might want to give it a try if you aren't using it already. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 03:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

OK, thank you User:GrammarFascist for your valuable help! Also, as a quick sidenote, I do use the Visual Editor because citing in the source editor is an absolute pain. Thanks anyway for all your help! Sp4ce p0t4t0 (talk) 06:39, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to User:GrammarFascist for helping me, and now I know what to do, so we can close this discussion. Thanks anyway! Sp4ce p0t4t0 (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Creating an article found on French Wikipedia but not English Wikipedia

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romano_Musumarra Recommendations on creating an article that is on the French Wikipedia but not the English one,please. I read about using a mirror or fork for articles but I'm not sure what to do with this one. Thanks. GrammerCracker96 (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Try the advice at WP:Translate. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:09, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Same question for Portuguese, from English? Melrorross (talk) 13:33, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Melrorross, and welcome to the Teahouse. To translate an article from the English Wikipedia to its Portuguese counterpart, you would need to abide by the Portuguese Wikipedia's rules for such translations, which may differ from the English Wikipedia's rules. I recommend using the Portuguese Wikipedia's Help Desk if you cannot find the relevant rules on your own. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 07:37, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The advice from this end is at WP:Translate us. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Am having problems in improving my article

Can you clarify a bit on "neural point of view" Joy Philip (talk) 09:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Joy Philip: a phrase such as "is the burning issue" indicates a lack of neutral point of view. Wikipedia articles should be written as if by someone who is indifferent to the subject. You may believe that saving lives is good and causing deaths of young people is bad; but you should not allow this to influence what you write in a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 10:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I see two errors in your 2017 in baseball -wiki

1. On July 30 you state that the Baseball Hall of Fame inducted two players- Ivan Rodriguez and Jeff Bagwell as well as former commissioner Bud Selig. Another player Tim Raines was also inducted as well as executive John Schuerholz. 2. Melvin "Bob" Perry who played for the Angels in 1963 and 1964 died on July 2. He is not listed in your deaths section. Wikipedia lists him as dying on that date.96.239.16.54 (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi person editing from 96.239.16.54. We need people like you to stop by and do just what you did here. However, please repost to the much more tailored location for this information to be vetted and acted upon: Talk:2017 in baseball – the talk page of the article at issue. (Every article has an associated talk page where you can raise issues specific to it.) Alternatively, now that you've dipped your toes in the behind the scenes of Wikipedia with a helpful post, maybe you'd like to contribute more directly? Wikipedia is volunteer run. Everything you see was written by people like you who were interested enough to wade in. You can even contribute without making an account, though doing so has many benefits. You can boldly fix this information yourself. Just be aware that Wikipedia properly runs on sourcing backing up edits, so reading a few pages related to that is important for new users. I recommend perusing the verifiability policy, and then seeing Wikipedia:Citing sources (or maybe starting at the Wikipedia:Tutorial). I am going to leave a welcome message on your IP address' talk page shortly containing an embarrassment of other links. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

New Page Patroller

I am wondering whether i could be a new page patroller? I realise this is not the page to actually submit my application, i just want to know if i have any chance of success. any comments appreciated, even negative ones. A Guy into Books (talk) 12:35, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@Aguyintobooks: Hello, welcome to the Teahouse! I was wondering if you have seen this page yet? At this moment, you may need to contribute for a couple more months. I see you have created a couple nice stubs so far, and they seem to be free of copyvios, verified, and follows the basic principles of style manual. There is definitely the potential to become a good content creator, so keep up the good work and you will have the patroller access in literally no time. Alex Shih ^Talk 12:47, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that, yes i have read the need for 500 main-space edits, but did not consider a time requirement. I will carry on and ask again later:). A Guy into Books (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

How to get the ZIP Code for Sierra Leone Article fit for Wikipedia

Dear all,

How do i submit the Article ZIP Code for Sierra Leone online for millions to benefit when sending mails to the country?

Plese Review the article under my contributions

an external link to the article would be

http://www.nunitec-empire.com/2017/08/05/zip-code/

with warm Regards

Malcolm

Princenuni (talk) 12:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

You need to re-write the article so that is is not the same as the article you have referenced. it must be in your own words. copying is not allowed due to copyright infringement laws. just write everything said in the article so that it is structured differently, this is paraphrasing, and is allowed. (dont just change the order of the sections, that is not good enough either). A Guy into Books (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

picture copyright

Would it be ok to use say, this picture? https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6380060 The info on the page says "unrestricted use" but I'm not sure what that means -I know Wikipedia needs a certain type of licence,but not sure if that would fall under it. Curdle (talk) 20:01, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Curdle. Given that the linked page https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6274097 says: Photographs in this series taken in the field by photographers from the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps, were forwarded to each service's accessioning point or the Joint Combat Camera Center, for a determination of the images historical value. Those images considered to be of value, were then sent to the DoD central photographic repository, and added to a combined military service, central photographic file. In 2009, the National Archives accessioned those images sent to the DoD central photographic repository through 2007. I believe that this and similar images from this site may be classified as "Public Domain: Work of the US Federal government". Under US law there is no copyright protection for works of the Federal Government, which includes "works created by officers or employees of the government, in the course of their official duties." Therefore the image may be uploaded to commons and used on Wikipedia, with appropriate source attribution. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:10, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, there are exceptions to the rule that works of the US federal government are not copyrighted and are in the public domain. In certain cases, a law provides that the federal government should copyright its works. But this doe snot appear to be one of those exceptions. So the images are in the public domain. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:36, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

When the Federal government hires a contractor to do something, and that contraction creates copyrightable works, such as images or documents, in the process, those works are not "works of the US federal government" and will be protected by copyright. The contractor will own the copyright to the works unless the contract specifies otherwise, but the contract may and often will specify that the copyrights become the property of the Federal Government. Also, the government can purchase copyrights. So there can be copyrights owned by the US Federal government, but to the best of my knowledge, not any that are create by actual "officers or employees of the government, in the course of their official duties." DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:55, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Can I get a more experienced editor's insight on what seems to be a pretty disruptive IP

Hi guys, I'm really new to Wikipedia, so I still don't fully understand all of the community conduct mechanisms, which is why I was wondering if I could get someone's guidance on what to do about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:169.253.194.1 . Looking over both the contribution history and the user talk page, it seems to me like a lot of disruptive editing comes from this IP, but like I said, i'm really really new, so I don't really have a good gauge for what is legitimately disruptive, and maybe I'm just over reacting to what is actually relatively mundane conduct by that IP. So if anyone could give me some insight about whether this is a problem and what to do about it, I'd really appreciate that. Thank you! SomewhatSpurious (talk) 20:39, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

My guess is that that IP address belongs to a school. Some of its edits are reverted with comments made on its talk page, some are simply reverted, and some appear to be constructive. This is not unusual for schools. I hope that someone somewhere knows the policy for when the proportion of unconstructive edits is high enough to justify a block. Maproom (talk) 20:49, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

SomewhatSpurious, Maproom Generally, we block for a limited period with a note explaining why, and urging editors to create accounts. If we can identify the school, an email sent to its administration is sometimes helpful. See further Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Blocking and the sections on IP addresses, range blocks, and use of WHOIS. If in doubt about a persistent vandal, IP or logged in, report the situation at WP:AIV and let those more experienced in dealing with the issue sort it out. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

WHOIS, and a tag on the IP's user talk page, say that it is U.S. Department of State, rather than a school. The subjects of some of the relatively recent edits suggest that this is not unlikely. There doesn't seem to be a consistent pattern of deliberately disruptive edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:55, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

American Folk Singer Addition

Would you please add Dan Fogelberg to Category:American folk singers? Seems to be a glaring omission and today (8/13) is his birthday. Love Wikipedia! Thank you 75.140.212.148 (talk) 02:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. The article Dan Fogelberg does not appear to be protected, so you should be able to make the edit yourself. Go to the article, click the "edit this page" tab at the top, scroll to the bottom of the edit window, and add the text [[Category:American folk singers]] (including the double brackets). If, for some reason, you find you are unable to make the edit, please come back to the Teahouse and let us know. I think you're right that the category is appropriate for Fogelberg, so thanks for pointing it out. Rivertorch^FIRE _WATER 03:46, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, user editing from IP 75.140.212.148, and welcome to the Teahouse. Normally the place to ask for an edit to be made would be the talk page for the article in question, which you can access by clicking the "Talk" tab beside the "Article" tab at the top left of any Wikipedia article. I actually made the edit for you while Rivertorch was typing their response, so you don't need to do anything else, but thank you for bringing the issue to our attention. While we encourage people to learn how to edit Wikipedia themselves, doing so is not required for such a simple edit. —GrammarFascist _contribs ^talk 03:57, 14 August 2017 (UTC)