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I don’t know why my article was tagged with “criteria for speedy deletion” firstly and then “COI”. Please help

I’m a new here, and I wrote an article about a Chinese business man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chi And I think in the sense of notability, he could be put here on Wikipedia. I've given enough references to my article, but it is still said promotional and conflict with interest. How can I do more to improve this article? I know editors here are volunteers, and I will really appreciate it if you could tell me which sentence or which part is promotional or not neutral maybe. Many thanks for all your help. Cheese Cup (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Cheese Cup! Having an article tagged for deletion is very frustrating for new users. Looking into the article Michael Chi, it appears that many different users have created this article, and every time it's been deleted. This has caused editors to interpret the creation of the article as promoting another individual (Michael Chi). I'm not saying this was your intent: this is how it has been interpreted. If you have other sources about Mr. Chi that are independent of him, this will help improve the article significantly. I'll see if I can turn anything up. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


This is my first article and it means a lot to me, because I learn to write here from this article. By the way, I had difficult in inserting an image to the infobox, and my friend Richardleo helped me, who is also a new here. Cheese Cup (talk) 21:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I would like to add that if you are interested in editing in order to improve your writing, a good place to start is by editing existing articles. This way you get a better feel for the process. I started this way and recommend it to others. In addition, you may want to look at WikiProjects that are of interest to you. Many WikiProjects have lists of articles that need to be created. These lists are often made up of individuals and topics that are already likely to pass notability guidelines on Wikipedia. If you'd like some recommendations for WikiProjects, ask here and let us know what your areas of interest are. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Cheese Cup, I placed a COI tag on the article because you are clearly connected to Chi, and must have known him since at least 9 September 2009, when you took this photograph of him in his office (which you presumably then donated to him, since it has been in use on the internet for several years). I don't have the kind of vision that allows me to see the previous version of the page, deleted on 21 July 2017, but my recollection is that was much the same, and was very possibly written by you. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:46, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Dear Megalibrarygirl, sorry for the delayed reply because I went for a journey to Shanghai in early morning. Thanks for your kindly help and the suggestions for editing existing articles and WikiProjects. I’m interested in the topics on public and welfare, or something about China where I live. Please help to recommend if possible, and I will try my best to help to improve these articles. I’ve created that article on “Michael Chi”with two different usernames: “Pwrd Bj”and “Cheese Cup”. But I can explain for this.

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, I do know Michael Chi but he doesn’t know me. I am a girl who was born in 1987 in China, if you have Chinese friends like me, you may know Michael Chi’s Hongen Education really helped lots of children in 1990s to learn computers and English. Michael Chi and his Hongen Education to me, just like a memory of my childhood, and even today, there are more than 4 million children in China are using Hongen’s books. I also played games of Perfect World such as “Perfect World”and “Zhu Xian”. So I admit that the article on Michael Chi may not be neutral, and I accepted the suggestions to verify it and recreated it, but in terms of COI, I think there is nothing with COI. Wikipedia，as the free encyclopedia, should permit everyone to write an article he is interested in, right? When I was preparing for my master degree in 2013, I visited Perfect World with my professor, and I knew several employee of Perfect World then. When I created this article, I contacted one of the employees for some information. And when I was told photos without copyright couldn’t insert into the article, I asked him for the photo of Michael Chi. You may know in China, there is a Baidu Baike, a free encyclopedia in Chinese. Information provided from official channels may be accepted easily. I thought it was the same on Wikipedia, so I created the username “Pwrd Bj”, which seems like official. But later, I was told “Unambiguous advertising or promotion”, which is not my intent, so I created another account to write in relative neutral position. In my last version, I used lots of references, and I really thought it’s neutral enough. Really disappointed to find my article was deleted when I waked up this morning. I have time differences with most wikipedians here :( Cheese Cup (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

In that case, how did you transfer your photograph to him, Cheese Cup? – he was using it on the internet long before you uploaded it to Commons (for instance on this page from 2015). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:11, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Justlettersandnumbers, it’s not me who took the photo of Chi. I said I asked Chi’s photo from his employee, because I couldn’t upload the photo I downloaded from the Internet without the copyright. You are an experienced Wikipedia, and must know that it will be refused if you upload a photo already used on the internet. You told me the photo was taken on 9 September 2009, but I was just an undergraduate that year. I totally understand your queries, but it’s not the fact.

As a new here, I was trying to write an article on a person I know. I keep humble here to learn, which you may feel from the message I left in your talk page every time. I verified the article according your suggestions and always found it was deleted then. It’s really uncomfortable. Will appreciate it very much if you could help me instead of just tagging “criteria for speedy deletion”. Many thanks. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Cheese Cup (talk) 04:54, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Cheese Cup.
The photo you uploaded was not your own work, so you violated both copyright law and Wikipedia Terms of Service by uploading it and claiming it was yours. Your actions also put Wikipedia in jeopardy for violating copyright. That's why the photo was immediately tagged for deletion, we have no ability to tolerate copyright violations.
We recognize that the policies and guidelines at Wikipedia are a lot to master, which is why we generally suggest that new editors not try to create a new article until they have edited here for some time and learned more about these policies and guidelines. We also recognize that it can be very discouraging to have your work deleted, so there are number of forums, such as the Teahouse, where editors can ask questions and learn from more experienced editors how to edit Wikipedia.
So, it looks like you're going to need to start over. If you want to create a new article, it is vitally important for you to follow the guidelines laid out in WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners. Unless you can do this, it is just very unlikely that you can create an article that can survive review.
Uploading a photo, claiming it as your own work, is an all too common beginner error. As long as you don't do it again, I don't think your editing privileges will be revoked (but it's not up to me). Please read those articles I gave you and see what's involved in creating a new article. And, if you're willing, try going to WP:Community portal to see if some of the small work items offered there appeal to you as learning exercises, as a way to get started with editing that should be less frustrating than putting in a ton of work on an article that ultimately has to be deleted. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:10, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

：Thank you for your help. It was my error to put an photo which is not my own and claimed it was mine. But I had asked the employee of Chi for the copyright, so I don't think my actions will put Wikipedia in jeopardy for violating copyright.:( Anyway, thanks a lot.Cheese Cup (talk) 07:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Where should I place my discussion?

Hi! I have discovered a group of articles, relating to either the Lego Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu TV show or the Lego Ninjago theme in general, some of which may fail notability. I am not quite sure what to do with them as a group (such as group deletion, group merging, keeping some but not all, etc.). For this reason, I would like to post a discussion to try to gain consensus from others om what to do with these articles. However, I am not quite sure where to do this. If someone can tell me a good place to post such a discussion, I would greatly appreciate that! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Noah Kastin, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you've been trying to help out here, which we appreciate.
You might want to start on the talk page of one of the two main articles you mentioned. You can then place notices pointing to your discussion on the talk page of the other pages that would be covered by your proposed action. To get more eyes and voices involved, you could place a notice at WikiProject Television. And I suggest that you start with a definite proposal for others to agreee or disagree with; either a list of pages that should be deleted, or a specific set of proposed merges. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:24, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
@Jmcgnh: Thank you for your suggestions! I will place a proposal along the lines of what you suggested at Talk:Lego Ninjago and place links at the other relevant articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. Thanks again for the suggestions! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

why do some brands have wiki page and get back links?

I was researching on co-living and found that Wework has a wiki page, however common.com and hubhaus do not have one? also hubhaus is able to hyperlink it's name but common is not able to. (you see this under welive competition on wework wiki page). Dev098 (talk) 09:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

2405:204:321C:718E:3159:F8F1:CE93:83CA (talk) 11:26, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the WP:LINKSPAM in this edit. Thanks for alerting us to the problem. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
"Brands" do not "have a wiki page", Wikipedia has articles about notable companies. Why any particular article does not exist is because someone (that means you) has not written it yet - provided it is notable of course. See the Your first article guide. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Flagging a citation issue

Hi all,

Came across a page where a claim was made and backed up by a NY Times article that 1) does not give any of its own sources for the claim and 2) is itself infamous among journalists for being badly sourced and badly executed.

Could anyone here possible tell me, what is the correct template to use, or way forward?

Thanks! Grammarfiend72 (talk) 16:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Grammarfiend72. I'm not totally sure if by infamous among journalists for being badly sourced and badly executed is a reference to the Times or to maybe the individual journalist who wrote the piece, but the Times easily satisfies our standards for reliable sources. Unlike certain cases concerning things like scholarly writing, in which all claims are expected to be either original to the study, or sources to other scholarly work, journalistic works by reputable newspapers are generally suitable as a "source-in-themselves", and in circumstances where a story relies on things like anonymous sources or leaked but classified and non-publicly-available documents, the paper itself is all there is to rely on. TimothyJosephWood 16:29, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Timothyjosephwood, I actually meant the article, itself. The paper had to print an argument that undermined the main point of the article, as it wasn't properly researched and damaged the reputation of the main subject. I understand, thank you! In this case, the claim is that "China is the second biggest publisher in the world after the US", but no figures are used to back this claim up...and...as it turns out, the Wiki page has got numerous incidences of plagiarism, with text copy and pasted directly from the Chinese government web pages...which is likely a bigger problem. Thank you for explaining. Grammarfiend72 (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok, Grammarfiend72. First off, if there is copyright violating material on the article, like that which would be copy/pasted from online, the material should be removed immediately. If this constitutes the majority or entirety of the article, such that nothing can be saved without a fundamental rewrite, you can request deletion under WP:G11. Otherwise, the particular revisions of an article may be requested deleted by using Template:Copyvio-revdel.
Second, when there may be some doubt as to the factual accuracy of a sourced claim, but more reliable, or more recent, etc sources aren't readily available, then the mid point between keeping and deleting the contested bit is usually to attribute the material to it's source. So instead of saying China is the second biggest publisher in the world after the US, you can instead say According to The New York Times, in 2015 China was the second biggest publisher in the world after the US. Hope this helps. TimothyJosephWood 16:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I think it would be all right to say something like "according to an article in the NY Times(ref) ... . Other sources(ref) dispute the accuracy of this article, though they do not address this question", Grammarfiend72. As long as you just present a factual account of what the articles say, and do not editorialise or attempt to reach a conclusion, this should be fine. --ColinFine (talk) 21:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Sound advice and clearly explained, thank you very much, both!Grammarfiend72 (talk) 12:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Help

Help me on how to put in line my articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmhandu (talk • contribs) 12:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Kmhandu. It's not totally clear what your question is. Maybe if you can be more specific we can be more helpful. TimothyJosephWood 14:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Mission 2 was not displaying nicely on my screen

The conversation was split into two and the text seems to be in the wrong place and is barely readable on the dark background. Why is this? Tania Mason (talk) 15:05, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Judging by the user's contributions, this refers to mission 2 of Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:40, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

How can I object to an editor's actions?

An editor deleted my account and that of my assistant in a snap decision, and now apparently I have no recourse. Can you please let me know where I can challenge this decision? We are both new users. Thank you, Nina Teicholz (talk) 13:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I think this is related to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Truthinnutrition. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:36, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Yup. We have a family of undisclosed paid socks with possible impersonation of a real person :-( The impersonation may have been approved by said person. Working on cleanup. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Page not showing up on search engines

Hi,

I created an article a few weeks ago, The Buttertones, but it's still not showing up on Google. Is it just a matter of time or is there anything I need to do to get it on search engines?

Vacillation (talk) 15:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello, Vacillation. New articles are not "indexed" until either 90 days have passed by, or a new page patroller has looked at it and given a green light. The reason for this is to avoid inappropriate content (promotional pages and copyright violations, mostly) to be published on Wikipedia.
At a quick glance, the page you created might fall because the subject lacks "notability", though it may pass (I cannot tell right away). See WP:NMUSIC for the threshold to met (so that you can add references if you have better ones, or withdraw your article if you decide it does not meet the conditions). The new page patrol is severely backlogged and as your page is not an obvious decision either way, so it might take a bit of time.
Also, while it is totally normal to write about subjects you know best, if you have a conflict of interest with the Buttertones (such as: being one of the members, of the recording studio, of the marketing team, or a colleague or family member of any of those) you are encouraged to diclose it. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the useful reply! Will definitely check and adapt the references according to the notability guidelines.

No conflict of interest, just a new fan who's surprised that they don't have a page.

Vacillation (talk) 16:27, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Editors Creating Articles but with Poor English

Do we have a template for welcoming editors who create articles, but whose English is poor, so that we might suggest that they consider creating articles for the Wikipedia in their first language? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Are there any other suggestions about editors who are either creating articles or editing articles, who obviously mean well, but whose English is so poor that they are problematic? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Well Robert McClenon, for the article there is {{Cleanup}} and {{Copy edit}}. For the usere there are mostly specific tags, such as {{uw-unsourced1}}, {{uw-create1}}, {{uw-mos1}}, {{uw-controversial}}, and many others listed on Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace, but none that i know of specifically about language competence. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
There are several such templates; {{welcomeen-fr}} for French, for example. 331dot (talk) 03:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I am familiar with the templates for the articles. (Sometimes the articles are so incomprehensible that I have had to use PROD as TNT.) What if I don't know what the editor's first language is? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Robert McClenon – I've used the templates in Category:Non-English user warning templates for content written in another language, and there is Template:Uselanguage that does not specify the contributor's language). There are also more templates at Category:Non-English welcome messages, but they all assume you know the editor's first language – perhaps they can be adapted to create a "generic" (not language-specific) template? –FlyingAce✈hello 19:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I've created a template draft at Draft:Welcomeen (it is my first template so I found it easier to do it through the wizard). Comments are welcome! –FlyingAce✈hello 20:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I think the language "unfortunately your contributions are not written in an English that is good enough to be useful" is too harsh. An English-speaking editor should correct the errors in English. But collaboration with the original editor may be necessary. Therefore what we should be conveying to the original editor is that many errors in English usage have been found, and that it is hoped that the editor with poor English usage skills will work with an editor with better English-speaking skills to bring the article up to standard. And I think most editors learning English will welcome the opportunity to work with a proficient English-speaking editor. Bus stop (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Bus stop – you have a very good point. I pretty much copied the text from Template:Welcomeen-es, but now that I think about it, it comes across as a bit WP:BITEy. I have to run now, but I'll try to work on it later; in the meantime, if you (or anyone else) would like to give it a go, be my guest :) –FlyingAce✈hello 22:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. When I have found it necessary to say something to an editor, I have preferred to say that they obviously are having difficulty in writing in English. I don't know if that is what we want, but it seems a little kinder than to say that their English is not good enough. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree that a native Anglophone editor should correct the errors in English if it is clear what was intended. Unfortunately, occasionally I have found that the English is incomprehensible. As I noted above, in those cases, I have to PROD the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
How does this sound?
Hello, (name), and welcome to Wikipedia! Efforts to improve Wikipedia are always welcome. It appears you are having difficulty writing in English, though. Did you know there are Wikipedias in nearly 300 languages? You may prefer to contribute at a Wikipedia in your language instead. In any case, welcome to the project, and thank you for your efforts! If you need help, please feel free to notify me on my talk page.
–FlyingAce✈hello 16:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
How about: "Hi GoodEditorButPoorSpeakerOfEnglish—I am suspecting that English is not your first language. I am noticing a clunkiness in your writing. Would you consider working with another editor, one with good English writing skills? Please respond on my Talk page or the Talk page of another editor. Thank you for your consideration." Bus stop (talk) 17:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

writing consultant

Anyone can help me with adjusting my short article on a notable person to WP standards? I got rejected for lack of citations. But most of the biography information provided, despite being widely known by the community of practise related to the person, are not in a book. What type of citation would I use for these events?

Thanks Sam Gissam (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Gissam. If the subject was a world champion martial artist, then it seems like there should be some substantial coverage of him in reliable sources. Unfortunately, if there is not yet this type of coverage, then the subject might not yet be suitable for a Wikipedia article yet. Some places to start looking though might be one of these:
And of course there's always a good old fashioned library and maybe some books that are specific to martial arts. Since the subject seems to be closely related with people and places where non-English language are prominant, it may be possible that there are other sources in Japanese, Chinese, Spanish or Portuguese, although it may be difficult to find them, but if you can, you may be able to request translation at Wikipedia:Translators available.
You may also want to check out our tutorial on writing your first article, or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure, which may answer a lot of questions you might not have thought to ask yet. Hopefully this helps. TimothyJosephWood 17:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

inserting Image in An article,

Hello Team, im new to this forum, and im creating an article, and i need to insert image in it. please can anybody guide me to do so.

thanks in advance.ಅವಮಾನಿತ (talk) 17:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey ಅವಮಾನಿತ. The first thing is you have to find is an image that is legally usable on Wikipedia, which usually means it's in the public domain, someone else has licensed it for public use, or you own the image because you took it yourself, and you're willing to release it to the public. This can unfortunately be a really complicated subject, since it deals with copyright law, so you may want to check out our Finding Images Tutorial. TimothyJosephWood 17:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Sharing IP Address

New editor here- my flatmate has also shown interest in editing, and mentioned he made himself an account. We tend to have different interests, so aren't likely to be anywhere near the same articles, but I wouldn't want to be thought of as sockpuppeting. I have seen notes on user pages stating they share IPs with other users, but is there any sort of further notification or procedure necessary? Curdle (talk) 12:50, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Curdle. The easy answer here is that so long as both your and your flatmate's accounts are engaged in making constructive good faith contributions, and don't do things like pile on in support of one another in discussions, then no one will be the wiser, and no one would have an issue with it if they were. Besides, having multiple accounts even as the same person isn't in-an-of-itself prohibited, but only using those accounts to try to circumvent policy and guidelines. Where people often run into difficulties is where they share a dynamic IP "pool" with a quite large group of people, like schools or large office buildings, where some people in that pool are constructive editors, and others are vandals.
Registering an account renders your IP address invisible to all but a very select group of trusted editors called CheckUsers, and even for them to access that information, they need to demonstrate that there is good reason to believe the accounts are being used in a way that is a violation of our policies on sockpuppeting. TimothyJosephWood 13:20, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Thankyou! I know what not to do, just thought I should make sure there wasn't anything I should be doing but hadn't :)Curdle (talk) 13:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
TimothyJosephWood is right as usual, Curdle, but I will add a little onto what he said. One editor one account is generally the rule, but there are "legal" exceptions. Some editors have a second account specifically for public computers, so if they accidentally forget to log out their main account won't be compromised. See Wikipedia:Multiple accounts. I don't think you and your housemate both having accounts will be problenatic at all. I know several married couples who both have accounts and they (presumably) live in the same home 😆. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:42, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Suggest a page to edit

WHen I joined wikipedia, it suggested a page to edit. There were many grammer, spello and typo errors which I was happy to correct. Prior to the edit I knew nothing of the subject matter. Post-edit, I was interested and and glad to have read something of it.

IS there a way that I can have wikipedia suggest another page like that WITHOUT me having to select a subject area?

If so, could you provide a link?


Thank so very much! 


Animalrescue (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Animalrescue! You may want to install User:SuggestBot on your talk page with instructions here. It will, however, try to match you with articles you seem interested in. You can also try clicking the "Random article" link on the left-hand Wikipedia menu. Not all articles will need improvement, however. I hope this helps a little. Maybe some of the other Teahouse editors will have other suggestions! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Animalrescue! Let me suggest that you look at Find articles that need copyediting. In that section, you will find links to three pages that might provide you with possibilities for improving articles. Eddie Blick (talk) 03:38, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
There's also a "Random article" link in the navigation bar on the left side of every Wikipedia page. You can keep clicking it until you come to an article you'd like to edit. Please be very careful when correcting those "grammer, spello and typo errors", though. When in doubt, consult a good dictionary or usage guide. RivertorchFIREWATER 05:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Need information about how to find a page to edit in Pharmacy, Pharmacology and Medicine field

Hi. Friends. I am new to Wikipedia. I need information about how to find a page to edit in Pharmacy, Pharmacology and Medicine field. So, if it possible then please suggest what I need to do for searching which page needs editing and what to be done. Thanking you.!!

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wikiboywork. Please take a look at Category:Medical treatment stubs. You will find many articles to work on there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nadir_Aziz_Hanfee

I am new and inexperience in this form and forum, in regards to summary this article was created so that people should be given more information about poet,author and broadcaster. i need help to make this page proper and then to be viewed in google.

Nadir Aziz Hanfee (talk) 06:23, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

IMVHO you should not have created that page, as you seem closely related to the subject, thus being in WP:COI situation. You should ask someone else, someone not involved, to create the article.
Next, the article should not appear as your WP:User page, but rather in the draft space, as Draft:Abdul Aziz Hanfee for example.
Finally, the article must show the notability of the person – see WP:Notability, then WP:Notability (people) and finally WP:Biographies of living persons.
CiaPan (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I have moved the draft to Draft:Nadir Aziz Hanfee. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:32, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
@Roger (Dodger67) Ok, but ...Nadir Aziz Hanfee is the author, the person described is Abdul Aziz Hanfee (or Hanafi?). --CiaPan (talk) 07:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
CiaPan Fixed my error. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
The draft is now at Draft:Ameeq Hanfee/Hanafi (Poet) - the final name can be decided later per whatever spelling fits WP:COMMONNAME. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

temperature

how can i make my edits stay?Jani5829 (talk) 05:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jani5829. If you are talking about Aholanvaara, the problem is that the article about a village is unreferenced. Please read Referencing for beginners. It is OK to use references in the Finnish language. You cannot add personal commentary such as the village's distance from your home. I removed the speedy deletion tag since there is a strong presumption that villages are notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
@Jani5829: When you added new temperature record claims to a couple of articles, you did not include any sources for the claims. The new Finnish heat record was from yesterday, and maybe it has simply not been recorded properly yet, but until that happens, the claim cannot be added to Wikipedia articles. I hope that makes sense. --bonadea contributions talk 10:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Request to edit the title of the page.

Hello, I have a request to edit the title of one of your page. The page is Adam's Bridge. I request to change the title of this page from "Adam's Bridge" to "Rama Setu" as the bridge made by Lord Rama and the real name of the bridge(setu) is "Rama Setu" not "Adam's Bridge". Waiting for yours positive response. Dattanidhyey (talk) 10:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

The question has been asked and answered (repeatedly) elsewhere. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

what do points on contribution amount to?

Just curious how are points allocated on contribution? how does one benefit from accumulating such points?Dev098 (talk) 09:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Dev098. I suspect you are asking about the + or - numbers shown by each edit in a history or contribution list. They are not points: they're simply the net number of characters added to or removed from the page. --ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually bytes, not characters. You can see that when using non-latin text or letters with diacritics. Plain latin text uses only one byte per character but others can be two or even three bytes each. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Dev098 I don't know what points you refer to. So far as I know ther are no points for contributions. There is one's Edit count, but that is just the number of edits one has made, there ar no points involved. And there really aren't any significant benefits from an edit count anyway. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 10:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@ColinFine - thanks for explaining. Really appreciate it :) Dev098 (talk) 10:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC) @Roger - Thanks for replying. That makes sense. For some reason I thought that Wikipedia has gamified editing with points (similar to Quora). Dev098 (talk) 10:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC) @Desiegel - sorry I confused the the net number of characters added to or removed form the page to points. woops Dev098 (talk) 10:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Dev098: It's a common assumption. Did you try hovering over the number before asking? Before your post the hover text for "(+65)" might say "14,046 bytes after change", but it still seemed hard to guess that (+65) is the size change. The hover text is controlled by MediaWiki:Rc-change-size-new. I have changed it to say "14,046 bytes after change of this size". Would that have helped you? The number in the hover text is the page size after the edit. The software doesn't currently make it possible to repeat the size change itself in the hover text. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

About page

HOW CAN I CREATE MY OWN PAGE ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhanush121 (talk • contribs) 07:20, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello Dhanush121 and welcome to the Teahouse.
You already have a user page at User:Dhanush121 and a talk page at User talk:Dhanush121. If you are thinking about writing a Wikipedia article about yourself, though, you should first read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. It explains why you probably should not attempt it. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 07:26, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
YOU CAN'T, Dhanush121 — no page at Wikipedia is your OWN.
There may exist pages associated with you (like your User page and your Talk page) or pages about you (if you are notable enough), but none of them is your own. Please see Wikipedia:Ownership of content for more detailed explanation. --CiaPan (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Dhanush121: Oh, I forgot to add there may also exist pages created or modified by you – but those are not 'your own', either, just per WP:OWN. --CiaPan (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Warning

How do people warn others from persistent editing?Whatisurproblem (talk) 20:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Whatisurproblem... "persistent editing" isn't a bad thing... so we don't. TimothyJosephWood 20:24, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Whatisurproblem. Many conflicts can be resolved by talking calmly and politely abouy the problem. In a dispute over the content of an article, rather than warning them it's usually best to try to engage them in a conversation, at least to begin with. Use the talk page of the article in question to open a new discussion, and ping them to let them know you're talking about something they're involved with. In your discussion, it's best to focus on the edits, not the editor. If they won't discuss it and their edits are not merely "persistent" but disruptive and harmful to the article (such as edit warring or vandalism, there are measures that can be taken; please come back to the Teahouse and report it. RivertorchFIREWATER 20:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I wouldn't recommend taking a content dispute to the Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard, but in severely problematic cases, like when an editor is making repeated copyright violations, you can go there. As I said though, that's only for serious problems and not for content disputes. It's best to discuss those on the article talk page, like Rivertorch noted above. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I'm one of the editors he's complaining about. Since Rivertorch asked him to report it if someone's being disruptive: He is. He's been making low-quality edits under an IP address[1] and is frustrated that other editors have pushed back against them. When people try to engage with him, he just blanks his Talk page[2][3] or uses profanity.[4][5] Magic9Ball (talk) 22:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello Magic9Ball. I've left a warning on the IP's page about personal attacks. Blanking one's own talk page is permitted, and is generally considered an acknowledgment that the warning has been read and understood. By the same token, there's really no requirement that anyone engage in discussion if they don't want to. However, consistently refusing to engage with editors who are acting in good faith, while making disruptive edits, is unacceptable, and so is making edits while logged out to avoid bringing attention to one's account. If that's what you're seeing, and it continues, it may be worth reporting at WP:ANI (that's shorthand for the Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents). Be aware, however, that making a report at WP:ANI will lead to your own behavior being scrutinized, and edits such as this one don't put you in the best light. Your frustration is understandable, but it's better to just disengage when you're tempted to say something like that. RivertorchFIREWATER 05:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
He isn't operating by WP norms; he blanks his talk page as way to tell people to "fuck off"... like the belligerent name he chose for the account he just created. Magic9Ball (talk) 12:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Article Promis_(musician) - multiple issues

Hello, thank you very much for the invitation to the Teahouse.

I wrote an article about Promis_(musician). It seems there some issues which I want to resolve. Actually, I cannot, because I am too confused by the information given by "the editors" and bots. So, I have several questions regarding the article mentioned above:

  1. 1 I have used reliable sources. Those sources come mostly from blogs that have reviewed the albums of Promis. Although this issue was solved, I like to get information, what I can do else regarding citations.
  1. 2 It was said (or written), that a major contributor has written the article, but the information given has to be proved. I though the citations I gave were enough for a proof. On the other hand I accept the issue of conflict interest when I write articles with an account that is named after the artist's music label. I understand that Wikipedia does not accept this and that the article has to be written out of a neutral point of view (which I did).
  1. 3 The first issue given by users has been that I need to built up more categories in the article. I did it, but they have gotten deleted when editors have reversed the text because of another issue. Should I built up the new categories first?
  1. 4 I wanted to write other articles regarding Promis' music label and the album "Electric Cabaret". The text for the album is ready to get published, but I am too afraid now to load it up now, as the other issues are not resolved.

Thank you for any help I can get from you here.Dirk Lankow (talk) 12:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Dirk Lankow. A couple of notes overall: First, while reviews in industry publications are prefectly find, and often some of the best sources for musical artists, online reviews by pseudonymous contributors on places like Amazon, or reviews on individual blogs with no reputation for editorial oversight and fact checking, do not meet our minimum standards for reliable sources, and should not be used to support article content generally, and definitely not used to support content on biographies of living persons, which are held to a much higher standard on Wikipedia than many other types of articles.
You need to replace these unreliable sources with better quality ones, and I would probably recommend looking at online news searches rather than online web searches. Although this may be difficult, since the artist seems to share their mononym with at least one medical company as well as being apparently a very common word in French. This may be a good candidate to move to a draft in the meantime, to give you more time to work on it. TimothyJosephWood 12:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) To answer your point 1 first, blogs are not usually reliable sources, see WP:BLOGS. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

I am Akila, a friend of K.J.Dileep for hwom I am creating a wiki page. I have copy pasted information from his website onto the page hence wiki says it may delete this page. I have the full permission of K.J.Dileep to use the information. How do I get wiki to accept the page? Akilavenkat09 (talk) 13:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

For reference: K.j.dileep (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello. First you need to review the conflict of interest policy before further edits. Second, your friend needs to be the one to donate the material as instructed here. Third, it is best to write in your own words. Lastly, you should make sure that your friend is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Akilavenkat09, and welcome to the Teahouse. Basically, you don't. You could, in theory, follow the procedures at Donating Copyrighted Materials. But the content now on the page is not suitable for an article in any case, so you need to re-create after this is deleted. Please read Your First Article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Some help please

Was doing some recent changes patrolling and came across IPs trying to added hateful stuff to this page Suicide of Tyler Clementi. Managed to get the page protected but this was left on the talk page [[6]] and was thinking should the IP be blocked for this? Know how to report IPs for vandalism but wasn’t sure if same process for this? Since then, I've had another IP leave this message on my own talk page [[7]]. Is there someone to get someone to look into these IP address and maybe block/ban them? NZ Footballs Conscience(talk) 09:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@NZ Footballs Conscience: Hello and welcome. It looks like the inappropriate edits were addressed; all vandalism can be reported to WP:AIV regardless of where it occurs. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
If it's a more extensive issue than can be handled with a basic vandalism report, it can be reported to the administrator's incident board. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
@331dot: Thank you, do see the other offensive stuff has been removed and wiped. Just not the last one on my own talk page but I have reverted that anyway. So hopefully it just stops now. NZ Footballs Conscience(talk) 09:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
This has been going on for the past eight months, NZ Footballs Conscience. Both article and talk page are currently semi-protected, which is the best way to deal with it. If the problem recurs on your talk page, AIV is indeed the first place to go, although making a request to temporarily semi-protect your talk page may be a better option when dealing with dynamic IPs. After the fact, you can ask an administrator to suppress any edits to your talk page that are "purely disruptive". RivertorchFIREWATER 14:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello. This is a test. I cannot see the Left Side of the box on My Browser. B'H.

Hello. I cannot see what I am typing, the user box will not display fully on my browser. The dialogue box for entering questions appears to the far left of my screen, with the entire left side of the box outside of the screen. When I try to maximize the screen, the box is still hidden. When I try to zoom out, the box is still hidden. I am a new user. This is a test 2422889236x (talk) 15:39, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia Adventure Hangs Up on Mission 7

I am on the Mission 7 section of the Wikipedia Adventure and it will not advance past the point of having successfully added Level 2 section headings. Instead, the prompt keeps advising to save the changes -- and once this has repeatedly been done -- no further advancements in the interactive mission are possible. I have tried several times to redo Mission 7. It keeps sticking at the same aforementioned point. I do not want to have to redo the entire Adventure again. Would appreciate a remedy on how to complete the Adventure's Mission 7. Web browser is Safari. Dcb2012 (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Editor Made a Mistake Reverting My Edit - Will Not Undo & Will Not Discuss? B'H.

So I want to see what I need to resolve this? Whether a WP:Third Opinion is advisable or should I attempt to obtain an WP:Rfc? 2422889236x (talk) 15:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Which edit are you referring to? 331dot (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your gracious inquiry. I made the edit under an IP. Here is the link: Sweet Sweetback. I attempted to discuss, several times. The person who reverted me, only responded once, but in an unconstructive, cursory manner. Reverting editor is User:JesseRafe. You can review the discussions on his and my talk pages. B'H. 24.228.89.236 (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
(Direct link to the diff.)
Hello, 2422889236x. The revert edit summary of "huh?" is not extremely precise in explaining the revert, for sure. However, in such cases, you should not escalate the matter to third opinion / RfC yet, but discuss it on the article talk page first, in that case Talk:Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song. If after discussion there is no way to come to a consensus, then you can consider other dispute resolution options.
On the merits, I must agree with your edit being reverted.
  1. Adding "it is often stipulated" before a claim is something you should in general never do on Wikipedia - if the assertion is backed by reliable sources, say it in Wikipedia voice, if no reliable source backs it, the claim should be deleted altogether, and if some reliable sources claim so but other disagree, the good way to treat it is "X claims (stuff) (ref to what X said) but Y claims (other stuff) (ref to what Y said), not using weasel words like "some people say...", "rumors are that...".
  2. You used IMBD to source a film release date, but IMDB is not a reliable source since it is user-generated.
  3. Finally, the last part of the edit is a textbook example of WP:SYNTH: comparing what is found in two sources in order to generate a new claim that is not itself cited (in that case, that it would have been impossible that the film was copied by Shaft, since the latter was released soon afterwards).
TigraanClick here to contact me 16:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Can I just move (or copy over) the three discussions from the respective talk pages to Talk:Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song? Also, in the foregoing, I have mentioned over five sources, stemming from three Wikipedia pages (which can easily be repeated anywhere), which support my contention that the current state of the Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song contains an anachronism. I'm only trying to correct this one anachronism. The word "stipulate" was only in reference to the anachronism - not to the sourced correction. The three pages with the sources are all Wikipedia pages: Shaft (1971 film), Ernest Tidyman, and Shaft (novel). All these either are, or contain sources which expose the anachronism. This is not, as you're saying, a "new claim." It is even referred to elsewhere in Wikipedia - one place is here: Shaft_(1971_film)#Production. I am not "claiming" anything. I am simply carrying over what is already on Wikipedia elsewhere, and sourced. B'H. 24.228.89.236 (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
OK. I made a notation - and a new category - on the 'Sweet Sweetback ... ' talk page. Thanks 331dot and Tigraan for your wonderful, gracious advice. Thank you so very, very much for your help. B'H. 24.228.89.236 (talk) 18:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

To change username

Suratnadas → Frangipani

Status:     In progress

18:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)Frangipani

Hello. I believe there are two possible choices you might be interested in:

1) You can delete your current account and create an entirely new account with your desired new name. All your original posts and entries in your old name will remain.

2) You can go to the top menu of every screen in Wikipedia. Select 'Preferences' (There will be your username; talk; sandbox; preferences; ... etc. .). Under "preferences," there will be your "username." Scroll down to the second half of the screen, to where it says Signature. Below this it will list your current username (or current signature). Below this will be an entry box in which you can edit your signature. Cut and paste this into that box: [[User:Suratnadas| Frangipani ]][[User_talk:Suratnadas| (talk)]]. Now below this will be a checkbox - "Treat the above as wiki markup." You must select the box for this to work. This will make all your subsequent signatures (~~~~) seen as 'Frangipani (talk)'. All your original posts will remain under the original signature. All your following posts will be under the new signature. Hope this helps. Have a wonderful day. B'H. 24.228.89.236 (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Suratnadas, if you want your edit history to remain with you on your new user account, just go to WP:CHU and follow the steps there to change your username. Or you can just change your signature as per above, however your username will still be accessible to all. At this point, the only user rights flag you have is AUTOCONFIRMED, so if you start a new account, you will have to go through the waiting period and make the minimum number of edits (I believe it is 4 days and 10 edits) to regain Autoconfirmed status. You will also lose your current watchlist by starting over, something that will not happen if you change your name or your signature. Also, the username you want to switch to has never been registered (surprisingly!), so you will not need to "Usurp". John from Idegon (talk) 19:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
It is not possible to delete a user account as 2422889236x suggests it is, Suratnadas, so I recommend that you follow John from Idegon's advice here. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
John from Idegon Thanks for help, now I have switched to new username. But there's another problem. I created the page Palash Baran Pal, where I have uploaded the photo of the author. If one clicks the photo there my old user name "Suratnadas" is still visible. Is it possible to change that too with my new user id?

Accidentally published two pages

Hi there,

I accidentally published two pages for the same company. It says one of the pages is being redirected to the new one, however, both pages still show up in a google search. What's the easiest way to delete one of the pages? WDorceus (talk) 21:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi WDorceus No further action is needed, Google will catch up to the change in due course, it may take a day or two. It's entirely out of our control, we have no influence over Google's webcrawlers. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Creating an article for a business

I recently tried to post an article for a business and it was deleted on the grounds that it is promotional. I'd like some help getting it edited and ready for publication. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:TRI_Pointe_Group,_Inc.&action=edit&redlink=1 2600:8802:5500:610:59A8:CCA5:3C46:52F7 (talk) 17:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi there! It's hard to answer your question specifically without being able to see the article itself. But here are two things I know: To write an article on wikipedia, you need to find reliable, independent sources, which explain your subject. For instance, the company's own website wouldn't work because it isn't an independent source. If you can't find enough information in the sources, chances are the company isn't notable enough for an article. Additionally, I noticed you had said "We are trying to create an article for our client, a business." I don't know the specifics of your agreement with that business, but on Wikipedia we prefer that you aren't affiliated with the subject you're writing about.
Let me know if you have any questions. Margalob (talk) 17:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! One problem with the article I can already see based on your explanation is that I did cite one bit of info using the company's news section on their website. I'll switch this to the website that published the article. 2600:8802:5500:610:50F8:6431:849F:7957 (talk) 17:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I would add that if this business is your client, Wikipedia's Terms of Use require you to comply with the paid editing policy. That means that in order to use Wikipedia you must declare any paid relationship you have that is related to your editing. I'd suggest doing so on your user talk page. You will also need to review the conflict of interest policy. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello IP Editor. It is not forbidden to source any information about a company to its web site or other publications. Basic non-controversial information, such as a company's official name, history of name changes if any, HQ location, date of founding, current CEO, revenue or sales figures, and the like can be and probably should be sourced to a company publication, such as a history section of a company web site or an annual report. But that is not enough to demonstrate Notability. You need independent, published reliable sources that discuss the company in some detail. Published analyst reports are good, as are news stories about the company that are not just reworked press releases. Directory entries and passing mentions are not useful. Neither are most blogs or other one-person sites, or anything from anyone with a significant financial association with the company, or employed by the company. Strictly local sources are of at best limited value. See our guideline for the notability of companies and WP:CORPDEPTH. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh do note that while some information may be sourced to the company web site, none of it may be directly copied from that site, or from any outside source, except for short quotes marked as such, attributed to a named person or entity, and supported by an inline citation. See Referencing for Beginners to learn how to provide the inline citation.
Also, you might want to consider creating and using a free account here. it has several benefits. See Wikipedia:Why create an account? for details. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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