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How Much Time Is Allowed to Complete a Merge

If I take on a merge of two relatively short articles, how much time am I allowed once the merge discussion is closed? Is it something I should try to do all at once, or can it be done in parts, with the merged article being deleted/redirected only after the target is complete? RM2KX (talk) 05:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, RM2KX, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think there is a time limit, so try to balance efficiency and accuracy. The guideline is here: Wikipedia:Merging – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:41, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I have also reviewed today how to mark an article as a merge in progress, so that is good to know. RM2KX (talk) 04:02, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

About user draft in sandbox?

What is importance about creating a draft of an article in user sandbox? Does it benefits the user?Sagyan17manija (talk) 04:35, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sagyan17manija. The main benefit of developing a draft of new article in sandbox space or draft space is that it does not need to comply fully with our core content policies while it is being developed. An editor can take a reasonable amount of time developing the prose, finding sources and adding references to those sources without being bothered by criticism. On the other hand, an undeveloped new article in main space is subject to immediate review by new page patrollers, who may nominate the article for deletion if it has shortcomings. These routine shortcomings will be ignored it the draft article is in a sandbox. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

My Article Has Been Problem Tagged, What Do I Do?

I have made the article Grand Trunk Western 4070 but it was tagged as having problems with the sources cited credibility. I cited five references and I don't know how to fix this problem since the references I cited were the only ones that I could find. What should I do?DolotheDolphin (talk) 00:16, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, DolotheDolphin. Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason your article was tagged was not credibility, it was notability. Notability is what we call our standard for inclusion in the encyclopedia and it is based on whether the subject has been written about in detail in multiple reliable sources. The key in your article's case is the reliable part. I happen to be familiar with your subject matter here and I know this locomotive is notable, so I'm going to pull that tag. Sources do not have to be online and I'm certain the 4070 has been written up in both Trains and Railroad magazines. You should find them and cite them. WP:Referencing for beginners will show you how and if you have any further questions, feel free to come back and ask. I had a 4070 excursion go right by my home in SW Michigan in the late 60s. Good memories. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, DolotheDolphin. Like John from Idegon, I am interested in historic steam locomotives. You may be interested in an article that I wrote about a famous example, Sierra No. 3, often called the "Movie star locomotive". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

What could be done about Democratic socialism and Social democracy?

I've removed Social democracy sidebar on the Democratic socialism page on grounds that there is "not to be confused with" markup with respect to the former.

Hopefully, this is ok and the confusion seems to extend to the contents of Democratic socialism even though Socialism in itself is considered as far left today and anticapitalist by definition.

The socialism sidebar in itself would make sense on the social democracy page and the remaining socialist sidebar on democratic socialism has a link to social democracy under variants.

As I'm not clear as to where the idea of democratic socialism comes from, who can one talk to about it? - JamesPoulson (talk) 03:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, JamesPoulson. The proper places to discuss the similarities and differences between these two topics are the talk pages of the two articles. I disagree with the "not to be confused with" tag on the top of one of those articles, which in my opinion, should be used only in cases of articles entirely unrelated topics rather than closely related topics. These are closely related articles discussing very closely related political philosophies. I also disagree with the removal of the sidebar. Take a look at the list of members parties in the Socialist International, the worldwide alliance of similar parties. Many call themselves "social democratic", many call themselves "socialist", and the U. S. affiliate is called the Democratic Socialists of America. Others use a variety of different wordings combining "democracy" and "socialism" in various ways. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:40, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

It is being discussed on the talk page and that you are of this opinion would indicate a specialist or two needs to have a look.

The ideologies are derived from socialism and some political parties do have socialist origins but Democratic Socialism and Social democracy might as well be considered synonyms and merged if they have links to each other.

Obviously, a self-described social democrat would not want to seize the means of production.

Here are some links to clarify their differences:

Hello again, JamesPoulson. Please sign your posts. Most of the links you posted are not reliable, independent sources. The Teahouse is not a place for lengthy discussion of article content or political ideology. It is instead a place to discuss the mechanics of editing Wikipedia. Please be aware that Wikipedia is not edited by "specialists" but by anyone with an interest in a topic, who is willing to summarize the content of reliable sources in accordance with our policies and guidelines. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:49, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I'll make a note that The Economist, The Local and the New York Times are not reliable sources and you're RIGHT this is not a place to discuss political ideology. Have a nice day. --JamesPoulson (talk) 05:53, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

JamesPoulson, opinion pieces are reliable sources only for the opinions of their authors, no matter how exalted the publication they appear in. Every source must be evaluated individually in context. Wikipedia articles in themselves are not reliable sources, although the references they contain ought to be to reliable sources. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:16, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for that revision. The issue is mostly solved then and Europe can relax in not being considered as "socialist" :p --JamesPoulson (talk) 06:22, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Adding one organizations logo to my article

Is it okey if I will add one organization's logo to my article with their permissionHatadurdyyev (talk) 10:19, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello Hatadurdyyev, and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! Not only is it OK, but you don't need their permission. Please see WP:LOGOS for information about how to proceed, and consider using the WP:FFU process as you are a new user unfamiliar with the WP:FAIRUSE guidelines, so that a more experienced contributor can help you upload your image and affix the proper fair use rationale. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 10:56, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Meghwal

I made an edit on meghwal page however this was deleted. I used the reference which already exists from the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5B71:E100:7D59:4492:CEB7:EB48 (talk) 22:47, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey anon. If sources need to be repeated, this can easily be done by using ref names. So instead of typing:

<ref>Wood, T (2017) How to use ref names. Retrieved 25 January 2017</ref>

You would give the reference a name by typing:

<ref name="wood">Wood, T (2017) How to use ref names. Retrieved 25 January 2017</ref>

So that next time you need to use the reference, you simply include:

<ref name="wood"/>

and it will duplicate the reference without needing to type the whole thing over again, and link all inline citations to the same reference at the bottom of the page. Just make sure you include the "/" in the repeated references, (<ref name="wood"/>), or you will get an error.

So when all is said and done, if you type this:

This is the first sentence.<ref>Wood, T (2017) How to use ref names. Retrieved 25 January 2017</ref>. This is the second sentence.<ref name="wood"/> Finally, this is the third sentence citing the same source.<ref name="wood"/>

What you will get is this:

This is the first sentence.^[1] This is the second sentence.^[1] Finally, this is the third sentence citing the same source.^[1]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Wood, T (2017) How to use ref names. Retrieved 25 January 2017

Assuming Sitush made the revert because it looked unreferenced, using this technique should avoid similar mixups in the future. TimothyJosephWood 13:09, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

How to upload a photo

Well i am new to Wikipedia and i have found that some articles are lacking some photos. as photos enhances the beauty of the page so i want to upload photos but when i click Click here to start the Upload Wizard it says that i am new and can't upload the photo so what is the procedureMian Moazam (talk) 15:24, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mian Moazam, and welcome to the Teahouse. According to Wikipedia:Uploading images#Procedure to upload, only registered users with autoconfirmed rights can upload images. This means that your account has to be at least four days old, and you must have made at least ten edits on Wikipedia. Before this time, I would like to suggest that you read Wikipedia's policy on Image use policy, especially the issues concerning copyright. Generally, only images that are part of the Public domain and works that you have created and that you are releasing into the public domain are permitted for use on Wikipedia (there are limited exceptions for images under certain free licenses and fair use of copyrighted images in Wikipedia under US law, but I would advise everyone against treading into that domain, except for really experienced Wikipedia editors or US lawyers). --talk2Chun^{(talk) (contributions)} 15:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank You Talk2ChunMian Moazam (talk) 16:22, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Creating a page for a company

What is the proper way to create a page for a company I work for? What is the proper language etc?

Asnowstaff (talk) 01:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

It is strongly suggested that you don't create an article (this an encyclopedia not a promotional tool) for a company you work for, and instead use WP:AFC to suggest suggest someone else write it. If you want to go ahead anyway, then read WP:YFA, WP:COI, and WP:PAID for how to create your first article, how to handle conflict of interest, and how to disclose you are being paid to edit. RudolfRed (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

@Asnowstaff: @RudolfRed: A small correction: Wikipedia:Requested articles is where one requests than an article be written. WP:AFC is for writing an article yourself which, to reiterate, you should not do about a company you work for. – Joe (talk) 09:10, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

WP:AFC says that it can be used if you have a conflict of interest. RudolfRed (talk) 15:16, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

One further point, Asnowstaff, which might seem picky, but I think is important, especially for people in your position: We don't have "pages for" companies or anything else. We have "articles about" subjects, which are neither for nor against the subject, but just summarise what reliable independent sources say about it, favourable or unfavourable. (I realise that your "for" probably didn't mean "for" in that partisan sense, but articles here are not "on behalf of" the subject either). --ColinFine (talk) 18:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Missing Information

I was wondering how to go about a situation where I feel an article is missing information about a topic, but I don't feel in the slightest bit confident in actually writing any details about the situation. I'd like to point out the specific omission, but not actually write up the wording for the article itself.

Also, is this handled differently if the page is "semi-protected"? JQ1981 (talk) 19:17, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You can start a new section on the article's talk page, and explain what change you propose, supporting it with references to published independent reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:31, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you! JQ1981 (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

I have come across an old photo of the silent film actress Peggy Hyland.

Photo of Peggy Hyland; has her name written on back and that of Campbell Studios, 5th ave embossed on the picture. Would this picture be of interest for inclusion on her bio page 2601:346:404:4375:E83D:1827:B773:4AE2 (talk) 21:07, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse. There are a few questions that need to be answered before we know it's OK to add an image to a Wikipedia article (even if the photo looks good and would be useful):

Who is the owner of the photo?
Is the photo free to reuse for any purpose? Usually there is a license that permits this, and if there is none or it's not clear, it's usually assumed to be owned by the photographer or copyright holder and cannot be used. There are some exceptions to this based on the age of the photo, as it may have fallen out of copyright.

If you can provide a link to the photo (if it's online) or provide answers to these questions, we can help you out. Thanks! I JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 22:51, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, anonymous editor. Peggy Hyland's film career took place so long ago that it is highly likely that the copyright on your photo has expired, if it was published even once back in the days when she was an actress. Please note that our article already has several photos of her, even though they are not very good photos. Therefore, we cannot use the photo under a claim of fair use, so you will need to do some research. I suggest that you ask at Wikimedia Commons, which has a lot of volunteer experts in borderline copyright cases. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Draft Approval Timeline

Hello, I have worked on creating a page for an author, Essel Pratt, who is an author of Horror, Fantasy, and Sci-fi. He has been published alongside Clive Barker, William F. Nolan, and H.P. Lovecraft, to name a few. In addition, one of his articles from the Inquisitr was used as a reference for a Wikipedia article on Vegan Cheese. He is a rather prolific author that has had his newest novel, Sharkantula, widely publicized on various Internet sites. However, the Essel Pratt draft has been in draft form for over a month now. I continue to update it as I can. However, I am worried that it may be lost in the sea of submissions. Can someone spread light on when I may be able to find out when it may be approved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immortalgaze (talk • contribs) 13:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey Immortalgaze. AfC currently has a backlog of about 400 drafts, so it may take a while, but a volunteer will eventually review your submission. I know that isn't a very satisfying answer, but unfortunately there are many more editors submitting drafts than there are editors reviewing them.

In the meantime, I notice a couple of things looking over your submission: First, you include external links in the body, which isn't permitted. Either these should be formatted as refs, or they should simply be removed. Second, while there are a lot of sources provided, it looks like nearly all of them are works written by the subject. While this may establish that he is prolific, self-written works do not contribute to notability in the same way that pieces written by independent sources do. So it's probably a good idea to find some independent reliable sources, and try to add them. As long as it may take to get a draft reviewed, if it fails the review, the whole wait just starts over again. TimothyJosephWood 16:00, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

In addition to the above, you should look for book reviews in mainstream news media or magazines, but avoid "reader reviews" such as on Amazon or goodreads, look only at professional reviews. Literary journals could also be good sources of information about the subject's background and career. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Immortalgaze, I'm afraid in its current state Draft:Essel Pratt will never be reviewed, because you have not actually submitted it into the review queue yet. To do so please add {{subst:submit}}, including the double pair of curly brackets, to the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

What if an entire paragraph is plagiarized? Do I remove the all the material? Grace1701 (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Notability of a woman architect to acheive publication, how do I know when I have added enough

I have created a page for licensed California architect Violeta Autumn and I submitted it before I was completed so It was not apparent how notable she was and it was immediately declined. I have added a lot more information, including some photos of awards, and added references to magazines, publications, and other libraries. I have also included her government work and election to public office using her architecture and planning background. This is my first page. How soon will I know when I have done enough? Do the images help?Sausalitoarchitect (talk) 20:41, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. There are over 400 drafts awaiting review. Not many have been waiting more than 4 weeks since submission, and you might be lucky and get a response more rapidly. Images rarely have any influence on the acceptability of an article; what will matter most is the quality of the references. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Sausalitoarchitect. The best of your sources is probably the six page article in Progressive Architecture about a home she designed for herself. By the way, that was a different publication and was unrelated to Architecture magazine. I have seen photos of this home online and agree that it is a stunning design. However, a single write-up of a single project is not really enough to establish the notability of an architect. We are looking for sustained, ongoing coverage of multiple projects in several publications. Then there is her service on the Sausalito City Council and planning commission. Your sources for that are the local Marin County daily paper which gives routine coverage of routine local government business to all elected officials in that county. Sausalito, though a beautiful tourist attraction, is a very small town of only 7000 people. I know it well as I lived there briefly 45 years ago and visit it often. There is no presumption that an elected official in such a small town is notable. Then, she wrote an unusual cookbook. I do not think that is enough to establish notability as an author. Photos of minor awards are of no use. If any award was a major one, and is discussed in reliable sources, that would be helpful. The bottom line is that, after reading your draft in its current state, I am not convinced that she is notable as Wikipedia defines that term. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:53, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Is their a prebuilt template that I can use

Is their a template with a superset of attributes that I can fill in and edit to create a WIKI page more efficiently? Acelentano2016 (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Acelentano2016. I am unaware of any such template. An acceptable Wikipedia article will be originally written prose, which does not really lend itself to formulas or recipes. I suggest that you read Your first article, and take a look at Good articles and Featured articles about topics similar to yours. Those will give you a good idea about how your planned article should be written and referenced. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:06, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Please improve my draft!

Hey, if any editor is vacant can you please help me wit improving the styling of my draft?? Please repair its structure, template. I know the content. I just want a good structure. I have basic knowledge. Please help in improving my articles here :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Clash-a-Rama

HighnessAtharva (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi HighnessAtharva, I have taken a look but I can't figure out why the episode table is being rendered after the references. While we wait for someone who knows how to fix it, you need to look for better sources to reference. The subject's own website, Youtube and a blog are no good for proving notability. I'm not sure of the reliability of toucharcade.com. Look for quality sources such as reputable websites that review games. You could also as WP:WikiProject Video games, as that's where the topic specialists hang out. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:39, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hos to create an inset

How to I create an inset such as the one you see on the right of this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Calder

Acelentano2016 (talk) 15:35, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Acelentano2016, and welcome. I'm guessing you mean the infobox - the code to create these varies depending on the subject matter. You can find the code and instructions for your article at Template:Infobox artist, but let us know here if you need a hand. Yunshui ^雲 _水 15:53, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

how to write well?

How will I write a paragraph more structurally?I mean how I move from one paragraph to another by keeping a nice distance.how will I add pictureBaruaanik (talk) 16:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Baruaanik, separate paragraphs with just one blank line. Read the Picture tutorial and if you still have questions please come back here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Any final checks recommended?

I'm working for some time now on an article on an international technical conference. I do my best to be as precise in terms of facts and neutral in tone as possible and to give ample references for my statements (mainly to the conference's web site). ProveIt shows no errors. Is there anything you would recommend to me before I shall submit my article? WolfgangSchi (talk) 17:55, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi WolfgangSchi and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read Wikipedia:Notability before going any further. Wikipedia requires that subjects already be well-known and written about in reliable sources independent of the subject before having an article here. None of your references show that about the conference. Look for independent sources about the conference itself or the sponsoring organization. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

One reference does talk about the course in depth, but are there others? StarryGrandma (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Should I put in an EPPO code into a Taxonomy box?

Hello. Just wandering if I should put the EPPO code for the genus Kalaharituber on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalaharituber. And, how do I link articles on the same topic but in different languages? AWearerOfScarves (talk) 17:39, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Links to corresponding articles in other languages are made through Wikidata. See either the "Wikidata item" link on the left-hand toolbar, or the "Edit links" item at the foot of the "Languages" section at the bottom of that left-hand toolbar. There are two other languages there already. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:38, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Help with article

Hi, fellow Wikipedians. Earlier this month I created an article, Elisabeth Brichet case. I have been working on it and have managed to add a lot to it, but I'm a bit stuck. I think the article has potential to reach at least B-class, but there's a lot of info I still haven't added. Most of the references available are from Le Soir (around 50 pages of news articles; not all of them are usable, though), a French-language newspaper. I'm not fluent in French, and so there's an awful lot to read through and translate, and there are some parts I can't translate right. I've read through and translated many of them, and cited the ones I could use from those in the Wikipedia article. It would be helpful if others could help expand the article to include the missing info. It would be ideal if any of you know French, but don't worry if you can't; there are also links to news articles on the talk page, including a number of English ones, that you can use. I think this article has potential, but I can't do it all on my own. Any edits made to the article would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Linguist ^talk|contribs 17:06, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Linguist111: You may try asking for help at WikiProject France. It's likely there are fluent speakers there who can help. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Thank you! Linguist ^talk|contribs 20:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Not Wiki Specific: Proper nouns as adjectives

So, I made an edit where a previous anonymous editor changed the capitalization of a wrestling move called a "Samoan Drop" so that it read "samoan drop" instead of "Samoan drop." I restored the original capitalization (with good faith, of course), but now I'm wondering.

Obviously, "Samoan" is a proper noun, but when used to describe something else not directly relating to the original country, does it become non-proper? Kind of like "North Carolina" vs. "I'm heading north from here." I'm hard pressed for a more specific example, but I would assume something like a generic culinary dish named after a region like "New Mexico tacos" would preserve its capitalization instead of becoming "new mexico tacos."

Any guidance?

Thanks, KNHaw ^(talk) 19:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@KNHaw: Since "Samoan" is always a proper noun, it should always be capitalized. "North" is not always a proper noun, so it's case can vary. hope that helps! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Fine by me! Thanks. KNHaw ^(talk) 20:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@KNHaw, Nihonjoe: Not always. We generally do not capitalize nouns/noun phrases that incorporate place names where the name has become highly generified as everyday English vocabulary: french fries, french toast, french doors, english (sidespin in billiards), plaster of paris, etc. But I don't think this has happened for Samoan drop. The issue occasionally arises at requested moves and the answer is always the same: check for usage across reliable sources—and don't use a web search but a search that tends to concentrate reliable sources, such as using Google Books—where here, the results strongly support using the uppercase ess. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:37, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: So, in essence, "Samoan" is currently always a proper noun.

···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:50, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again. I will keep my edit as capitalized. KNHaw ^(talk) 22:50, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, not "generified/genericized" yet.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Updating page with PCD/COI

Hi all, I'm an employee of an NGO, and the page about the org is really out of date with regards to basic information about where the headquarters are, who the CEO is etc. It would be great if that were updated, and I made the suggestions with citations on the Talk page (including full transparency about my affiliation with the org), but it seems none of the editors are active. Where to from here? Do I wait for someone to see it and update it, or is this the kind of information it's okay for an employee to update?

I'm being very cautious and respectful of the whole PCD/COI thing so I don't want to barge in and make changes without knowing it's okay to do so, as it's a controversial page with controversial topics.

Here's the related talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society

Thanks in advance for any advice!

Tuberose87 (talk) 23:36, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Tuberose87. Can you please format the references that you have added to the talk page to include full bibliographic information, as opposed to bare URLs? You can find instructions at Referencing for beginners. In addition, you should write specific proposed language to be added to the encyclopedia. I will review your changes once you have done so. Leave a note on my talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:44, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

how does one insert photos and can photos be considered a source reference?

how does one insert photos and can photos be considered a source reference? AvaAva Bianca 01:35, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome, User:Comfortscience. Pictures are welcome, as mentioned in WP:Image. Difficulties exist, and the biggest one is usually WP:Copyright. If you snapped the photo, you probably own the copyright and can license it for Wikipedia and the world to use. If someone else made the picture, the photographer is usually the owner. Whoever the copyright owner is, must make a statement to give up the rights. After the legal part has been done properly, the technical parts are easier.

Photos by themselves are usually not a reference for statements in the encyclopedia. They need to be backed up by a WP:Reliable source saying what they are, in which case those words are the source reference. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

how to edit

People educated at North Sydney Boys High School. How do I edit that article. If I click edit source, the items on page do not appear!Saki0710 (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

We have articles called North Sydney Boys High School and List of Old Falconians. I assume you're trying to edit the second of those? Make sure you click on the Edit Source link in the tab marker right at the top of the page. If you click on the edit link next to the title, you're only editing the lead section, before the first section subtitle. Please don't add names of random ex-pupils to the list. Only those with existing articles about them are eligible. Rojomoke (talk) 06:20, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Error: Mary Tyler Moor Show..How fix?

The page states "first show to..." The given footnote does not say that, and the That_Girl factually contradicts the assertion.

Would "an early show" or "at the start of the trend" or so,me such be appropriate edits?

TIAC.o.o. (talk) 00:54, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, C.o.o.. Simply edit the article to more accurately summarize what the source says. If your edit is reverted, discuss the matter on the article's talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the warm welcome. The sentence in question is above the editable portions of the page. (See: The Mary Tyler Moore Show ).

This suggests to this newbie that such a change is a case of "above my pay grade". C.o.o. (talk) 22:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

@C.o.o.: There are no edit restrictions on the article at this time, so the entire page should be editable. The introduction (above the table of contents) does not by default have its own edit button like the other sections do, which may be a source of confusion. To edit it, click either the "Edit" or "Edit source" button at the very top of the page, which will open up an edit page for the entire article. clpo13_(talk) 23:04, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Cullen328 and Clpo13 If the idea that the absence of a specific "edit" link implies that editing the lead is "above the pay grade" of newbies, is a common belief, then we should probably do something about it. I've opened a discussion at VPI about this issue. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Url for a citation linking to an archived copy of an article is not working.

Source #31 on the Timeline of the Virginia Tech shooting leads to "page not found" when clicked. So I used an archived version from it (archived in 2014) and used the citation that is used for archives. However, it's still leading to "page not found"? Depthburg (talk) 01:50, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello Depthburg and welcome back to the Teahouse. I see you're still posting questions at the bottom of this page, but I'll answer it down here anyway.

It would be a good idea to clean up the URLs that you use in citations so they don't include unnecessary cruft. If the URL contains a question mark some parameters, try removing all of that and checking to see if the url will still work. Also, it's important to get the deadurl= parameter correct so the links will display appropriately. If "yes", then the archive link is presented first. If "no", then the archive-url is just a backup.

As of your last edit to that article Timeline of the Virginia Tech shooting, both the archiveurl and original url are the same, pointing to 404-space on Computerworld. The previous version looked to me like it was working, except for the extra url cruft and the wrong sense of dead-url. I suggest fixing these two things to see if you don't get something you're happy with. —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:15, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Removing the unnecessary parameters and providing "deadurl" a "yes" helped, thank you. Depthburg (talk) 09:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Foreign births in country year pages?

During an unrelated cleanup I noticed a great deal of actress births on pages like 1988 in Turkey are actually born in Germany and don't appear to have any presence/recognition in Turkey.

The biographies don't look notable and sometimes removing the birth makes the page an orphan. This is mainly affecting actresses and singers - other kinds of profiles look fine, which makes me think these biographies are being added by paid publicists.

Is there a policy on this? Are the edits below OK or is this overzealous?

See: [[1]] [[2]]

Cybela (talk) 08:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Cybela, and welcome to the Teahouse! If they are not notable, you ought to pursue deletion and worry about other things only later. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:04, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Finnusertop. The biographies I've checked aren't sourced and notability is questionable but I've found deletions a little confusing so I'm looking for smaller cleanups to help with for now. So I'm still interested to know if these edits are on the right track, if you put notability aside. The UK and US year pages look strict about this, but Turkey year pages not so much, so I couldn't be certain. Cybela (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

So, I did some more checking to see if there's a precedent but even the most notable biographies of people with international ancestry don't get listed this way (1) Donald Trump isn't in listed in births on 1946 in Scotland and (2) Barack Obama isn't in 1961 births in Kenya for example. Based on this I'm feeling more confident to go ahead and clean up inconsistent births on year pages. Cybela (talk) 10:05, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cybela: I judge those edits to be legit and not at all zealous, since the information on these performers's pages clearly state that the births did not occur in Turkey. Notability is probably a concern, but it's quite likely that the entries are added by interested fans.

And what's going on with the styling of Kizil's page name? Within the article, it sometimes uses lower case "i" characters and sometimes uses whatever Unicode character that's used in the page name. Whether Kizil is popular/notable in Turkey is unclear from her article, but Evcen is shown as appearing in a couple of Turkey-based television shows. —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh:@Finnusertop: Thanks jmcgnh. I went ahead and did some fixes for obvious cases, added a few tags for other pages with issues and have tried to find sources for the rest as you and Finnusertop suggest. My guess is that some of these pages were added when Wikipedia was less strict. I noticed that the Top Model international franchise wikiproject may be responsible for generating a large number of biographies for people who appeared on TV approximately once or twice to participate in the contest's cycles and franchises across the world but otherwise have no discernible modelling career. Cybela (talk) 11:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

How do I add (copy, insert, paste) a photo (picture) into my draft article?CableHut (talk) 06:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I have looked all over the Help features but cannot find any instructions on how to do this!CableHut (talk) 06:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, CableHut, and welcome to the Teahouse. Image must be uploaded first (usually on Wikimedia Commons). The most important thing to keep in mind is copyrights. Most images you'll find on the Internet, in books, and magazines do not meet the strict licensing requirement: the copyright holder needs to have explicitly stated that they allow anyone to use the photo for any purpose, including commercially. Images are not the most important component of Wikipedia articles; they are the icing on the cake. I'd suggest you improve your draft Draft:Jean Jepson: Dancer; Choreographer; Teacher. in other ways first. You should, for instance, put the references right after the content they support (the list at the end will be created automatically): Help:Referencing for beginners#Test it out. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi CableHut, Help:Files gives you the basics of adding images to articles, images and sound files are both types of file so it is almost logical to hide those instructions there. I have a training module on this at User:WereSpielChequers/image_adding which is ready for beta testers, feel free to check it out. Ϣere SpielChequers 11:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Notability requirement for a list that is inside another article

If an article about a school, for example, has a section titled "Notable alumni" or "Notable faculty", is it required that each person listed have their own WP article? My understanding is that while notability is a requirement to qualify for a stand-alone article on WP, the existence of a WP article does not necessarily confer notability, and furthermore, there are many notable people who do not have WP articles. So if I as an editor, add a person to such a list, with proper sourcing proving notability, my entry should not be deleted solely on the basis that the person does not have a WP article correct? That's my understanding of WP:Source list. Am I wrong? --TheClarinetGuy _talk 07:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TheClarinetGuy. You are correct that not every entry on every single list must have its own Wikipedia article. However, those entries must be verifiable. In the case of those lists designated as lists of "notable" people, though, the standard for inclusion is the existence of an acceptable Wikipedia article. If you believe that you have "proof" that a person is notable, and want to add them to such a list, then the solution is obvious: Write an acceptable Wikipedia article about that person and then add them to the list. There should be no Wikipedia articles about non-notable people. If such articles exist, then they should be deleted and removed from such lists.

This standard prevents these lists of alumni and faculty members from growing to a bloated state, which they most certainly would it we did not limit inclusion on these lists to people who are already the subjects of acceptable Wikipedia biographies. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:33, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thank you for your quick response. Can you point me to what policy states that a WP article is the requirement for inclusion in "notable" lists? Also, then as a specific example, are you saying that all red-linked people on this List of Boston Conservatory people should be removed? Before, I go ahead and do that, I would like to make sure that I cite the correct policy. --TheClarinetGuy _talk 07:40, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Cohler. Our editing is guided not only by formal policy, but also by behavioral guidelines, consensus and good sense. I have just read the discussion that led to your recent topic ban. I therefore feel obligated to warn you to refrain from any form of tendentious or disruptive editing. In my opinion, you are skating on very thin ice here, and would be well advised to stay away from this area. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:54, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Why? The topic ban is on Jonathan Cohler. I'm allowed to edit other things right? Boston Conservatory is not related to "Jonathan Cohler" other than I am a notable faculty member there. As long as I don't edit anything about myself there, isn't that allowed? --TheClarinetGuy _talk 08:24, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Writing about the faculty where you work is a conflict of interest. Since you have been topic banned from writing about yourself for COI reasons, this seems like a particularly bad idea. Pinging User:Doc James who should have the definitive answer on this. Meters (talk) 08:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hum. Yes do not edit about your work or the people you work with either. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Cohler, I agree with Doc James. In my opinion, you should stay a long way away from any article or list where you have even the slightest trace of a conflict of interest, even if they are outside the narrow confines of your topic ban. Your edits are subject to heightened scrutiny because of your history. You should defer to the opinions of the many experienced editors lacking any conflict of interest about these articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:52, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi TheClarinetGuy. I think what Cullen328 is trying to say is that there was probably something about your editing at "Jonathan Cohler" which led to the community deciding to topic ban you from editing that article. So, if you try and use the same approach on another article, then your editing their will probably come under scrutiny as well.

As for "Notable alumini", I think what you're looking for is WP:LSC, in particular WP:CSC. Individual entries of such a list do not have to have a stand-alone article written about them, but that is typically the basic criterion for inclusion. If all the entries in the list have stand-alone articles, then you can assume that is probably the consensus for inclusion established for that particular article. If some of the entries don't have stand-alone articles but are supported by a citation to a reliable source, then you can assume that is probably what is needed in such cases. There is no one "common selection criteria" that applies to all article across Wikipedia, so often times you have to check the article's talk page to see it the subject has been discussed before. If not, then you can start a discussion yourself, or you can simply be bold and at the name to the list. If you're bold and reverted, then follow WP:BRD. There is no automatic inclusion for such names, and like other article content you may have to reach a consensus for it on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:08, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Understood, and thank you for all the clear, informative and substantive answers. --TheClarinetGuy _talk 14:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Improve Content for a page that is labelled as deletion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjusha_Chaughule

Hello team,

The above link created by me has got a tag for deletion. I would like to improve the content quality so as to better meet the wikipedia norms and regulations. Can you please tell me as to what are the errors on the above page so that I can help improve the article and avoid its deletion.

Acpp555 (talk) 13:23, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey Acpp555. One option available is to request that the article be moved to a draft, where it will not be easily accessible to the general public, but will not be deleted, and so you can have additional time to work on it and seek advice from other editors. Since this is your first article, it would probably be helpful to consider reading through our tutorial, and (if you request it be made into a draft) consider submitting through our Articles for Creation board, where it can be reviewed by experienced volunteers prior to publishing, and who can hopefully offer helpful advice.

Otherwise, the deletion discussion will progress normally, usually for about a week or so, and if the community decides to delete the article, you will have to ask for an administrator to restore at WP:REFUND. TimothyJosephWood 13:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Acpp555. I've made a request of the editor that nominated the article for deletion to move it to draft for you and withdraw the nomination. This is possible because no one else has entered the deletion discussion. It's 100% up to him, but if he agrees it will save you some wait. John from Idegon (talk) 01:58, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Acpp555, You're article is now at Draft:Anjusha Chaughule. I'd suggest you submit it via Articles for Creation when you think it's ready so you can get a second, more experienced opinion before it is put back in the encyclopedia and at risk for deletion again. Best of luck. John from Idegon (talk) 17:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Should quotes or parenthesis be included in articles when you're not directly quoting someone?

Example: The "autobahn" (German Train) is a very popular German method of transport.

Should it be that, or this:

The autobahn is a very popular German method of transport.

Which should be used?ZaxAttrach (talk) 18:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello ZachAttrax and welcome to the Teahouse. Definitely the second one, as per MOS:QUOTEMARKS. Much more style advice is available at WP:MOS. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

... and, of course, an autobahn is a motorway, not a train. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:36, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you ZaxAttrach! If you're wondering, the example I found this in was Loharu fort. Zachary G. 18:33, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi ZachAttrax. Use quotes (italics are preferred) only when talking about a word as a word. See MOS:WORDSASWORDS. Parenthesis are OK, but in the case you show, you would wikilink to autobahn instead of giving a definition. By the way, an autobahn is a German federal highway, not a train. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:41, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Can I write an article about myself?

I want to write an article about myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prashant Raut (talk • contribs) 17:07, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Prashant Raut.

Please read the policies on Conflict of Interest and Autobiography to see why what you are proposing is not such a good idea. —jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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