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tecchie question re IPA pronunciations

Hi. After getting the IPA pronunciations at the Language Ref Desk, I added them to two articles. However, the one where I started with IPA-zu correctly rendered as "Zulu pronunciation" (see MTN-Qhubeka) but the one I started with IPA-ti (see Daniel Teklehaimanot) did *not* render as "Tigrinya pronunciation" but just as "IPA". Have I made an error I can't see? Or if someone needs to add the ti code for Tigrinya language to some magic code somewhere, where would I request this? Thank you. 184.147.138.101 (talk) 13:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't know why this is happening, but I can understand what is happening. When you type {{IPA-zu}}, you are transcluding the contents of Template:IPA-zu: if you look there, it says "Zulu pronunciation", so that is what appears in MTN-Qhubeka. However, {{IPA-ti}} redirects to {{IPA-all}}, which is just a generic template that says "IPA:", so that is what appears on Daniel Teklehaimanot. You don't seem to have done anything wrong; it's just the way the templates have been set up. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the explanation! Can I make a Tigrinya template that works like the Zulu one?184.147.138.101 (talk) 09:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. I think the best way to do this would be to edit Template:IPA-ti, delete its current contents, paste the contents of Template:IPA-zu and then replace the three instances of the word "Zulu" with "Tigrinya". Please tell me if you want any help with that. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:47, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again! I've done this (at least hope I have). 184.147.138.101 (talk) 11:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Should this be a biography?

I created Rodricus Crawford after seeing an article this month in The New Yorker, strongly suggesting wrongful conviction and prosecutorial misconduct. Two of my other references also suggest misconduct in this case, as well as others. The matter is still in litigation.

The subject is notable because of a single event, but press coverage seems to be continuing. My concern is about the subject having a separate article. I thought about merging my article with a more general article, but the case is far from over.

I would like the opinion of a more experienced editor. Comfr (talk) 17:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello Comfr! Looking at the state of the article you have right now, it would probably be best to merge it into an existing article about the case if there is one, or write an article specifically about the case and only develop an article on Mr. Crawford later once there are RSes that talk about him and his background as a person specifically, as his article seems to contain mostly information pertinent to that court case anyway and notsomuch the article subject-- I'm left to assume not much has been written about the person himself, but more on his role in the trial. It's already been tagged for its neutrality and other problems which are especially important to attend to, since the article is about a living person, and issues of writing an article in a factual and neutral way are of particularly high importance when discussing a living person.

In general, my opinion on such an article would be to keep this out of Wikipedia mainspace and perhaps incubate the article in a sandbox page in your own userspace, until there is more coverage in reliable sources that can be used to support its inclusion as a live article. Or, you could write an article about the court case if there isn't one, and just use the information you cited in the Crawford article in that one instead. ^BLUSTER⌉⌊_BLASTER 19:20, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes BLUSTER, the article is about a prosecution, not a person. Crawford is not notable, except for the way he was prosecuted. Now the question is, "What to call such an article?" What about, "Prosecution of Rodricus Crawford," or "Death penalty in Caddo Parish, Louisiana?" Comfr (talk) 20:24, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Comfr, I would think the most appropriate way to title it would be something more like Trial of Rodricus Crawford, in keeping with the WP:ARTICLENAME style guide specifying that the title of a given article needs to be in keeping with a neutral, non-emotional presentation of the facts. If you're going to discuss how the death penalty is handled specifically in that community of Louisiana, then you need to seek out sources that discuss this topic specifically and write the article based moreso on that-- that would be the only circumstance under which I'd recommend titling the article something like Death penalty in Caddo Parish, Louisiana. Does that help a little? ^BLUSTER⌉⌊_BLASTER 12:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

hello, can you tell me more details about requested articles?

proposed article content

Qarva is a company based in Tbilisi, Georgia. Qarva creates

software solutions for TV service operators, for IPTV/OTT TV. We 
are proud that we have the solutions that will hold very important 
page in IPTV/OTT development history. Our products are “know how” 
products for the best IPTV and OTT TV systems. We are the first 
company who can announce such thing and our demonstrations around the world always prove this idea.

Company Qarva has a great role in the era of Internet TV(OTT). And 
we live in this era.

94.43.85.2 (talk) 11:20, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, @94.43.85.2: If you wish to request an article about them, you may do so at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies- note that your addition to that page must include at least 1 third-party, reliable source about the company, else the request will be deleted, and the text added about them to that page should be neutral tone, not a first-person advert for services, like the above is. Note that Wikipedia has no deadline, so the article may not be created quickly. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Editor translation of an English article into Spanish - value added or plagiarism?

As a brand new editor and as a high school English teacher with many Spanish speaking students, I am interested in using Wikipedia in English and Spanish in my classroom. I have thought that it might be an empowering exercise to have my students create their own articles in Wikipedia. Would there be value added to have students find a Wikipedia article in English, Copy it, Google Translate it into Spanish, Paste it into Wikipedia Spanish version, and clean up or fix the computer-generated translation? Or would this be frowned upon as plagiarism? Thanks in advance for your insights.Cactusinred (talk) 03:14, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

If the articles in question are already in Wikipedia in English, then it would appear that there is no plagiarism or copyright violation in copying a translation into the Spanish Wikipedia. Maybe an editor who also edits the Spanish Wikipedia could confirm (or deny). Robert McClenon (talk) 03:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I am more familiar with the policies of the English Wikipedia, and there definitely would be no violation in copying a translated article from the Spanish Wikipedia to the English Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Cactusinred. In general, this is encouraged (see WP:Translate us). But there are a couple of caveats. First the rules and policies are local to each language Wikipedia, so it is possible that a subject is acceptable for the English Wikipedia but not for the Spanish one. (I don't think this is very likely, but not being familiar with the es.wikipedia policies I can't be sure). Secondly, the requirements for sourcing may be different: in English Wikipedia, sources are required to be reliably published, but do not have to be online or even in English, as long as a reader can in principle get hold of them. I would guess that the Spanish Wikipedia has a similar rule, so that the English sources would still be acceptable, but again, I don't know. The third point is that automatic translation is not generally regarded as good enough for Wikipedia articles. I realise that you are intending for them to use this initially and then clean it up; but I would suggest you talk to people over there first, perhaps at es:Wikipedia:Café (ayuda), to make sure, for example, that somebody isn't going to delete your students' drafts before they have a chance to improve the translation. --ColinFine (talk) 07:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Cactusinred as you are planning a classroom activity I wish to very strongly advise that you discuss your ideas at the Education noticeboard. The Wikipedia Education Program has developed systems, tools, procedures and advice for helping class activities to run smoothly. They will guide you on how to set up your project optimally. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:37, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I believe that translating articles from other language Wikipedias into English is OK as long as proper attribution is given per WP:Translation#How to translate which says "Because Wikipedia licensing requires attribution, the translation source must be credited to avoid copyright violation." This can be done by adding Template:Translated page to the article's talk page. As for going from English Wikipedia to other language Wikipedias, I think you need to take care when using machine translations. Machine translators do not work very well for some languages. Japanese Wikipedia, for example, really frowns on pure machine translations and administrators there will delete such articles when they find them, so I think it might be a good idea to ask about this at es:Wikipedia:Café to find out what Spanish Wikipedia's policies are. Good luck. - Marchjuly (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Cactusinred: please see also Wikipedia:Student assignments. While writing may be "empowering", most high school students will not know how to properly write for an Encyclopedia, particularly one with Wikipedia's rules. Improperly prepared students placing inappropriate content into Wikipedia will soon find their work hacked to pieces/ deleted/accounts blocked for copyright violations or promotional spamming and find the experience "disempowering" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Notification on talk page

Hi, How can I get notification on my talk page, when posting any question here or at some other user's talk page ? I have seen it at some users talk page. Thanks! Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 10:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Vivek.bekhabar. There is no system to automatically get a talk page notification. Some users will manually post a notification when they reply to you. I will do that in a moment but it's more common to notify you by linking your user page User:Vivek.bekhabar (see Wikipedia:Notifications for details), or not notify at all but just expect you to watch the page for replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok! I was actually searching for the same. No issues. Thanks! Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 13:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Reliable source

Is there any reliable source to mention the Worldwide Gross of movies released before 1989. Boxofficemojo has no record pre-1989. And we must also consider the inflation adjusted gross. Aero Slicers (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I believe that it differs from case to case. Research should be done for each movie. You could refer to the List of highest-grossing films, which also includes an inflation adjusted table. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way to make the external links open in a new tab?

External links to open in new tabs!

(F.karkar (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

There are two ways I do this: (1) Right click on the link and select "Open link in new tab"; (2) Click on the link with your scroll wheel (if you're using a mouse). This also works with internal hyperlinks in Wikipedia and with links on sites outside of Wikipedia. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Bilorv, though I wonder if there is a special code to make it when clicked automatically open in new tab F.karkar

Hey F.karkar. You may be able to set your browser to do this directly or with an add-on. For example, in Firefox which I believe cannot do this natively, I found this add-on with a Google search of <firefox open links in new tab automatically>. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi F.karkar. At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets you can select "Open external links in a new tab/window". You cannot make a link in Wikipedia open in a new tab for others who haven't requested it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Prime Hunter, that was helpful, it worked. F.karkar

You could also consider an even faster method which works for me (I use Google Chrome). Simply click on the link while pressing the control key on Windows. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

new wiki corp page

Hi I added a new article on SpotXchange and it was flagged in violation of wiki standards. Could you assist me in getting it in compliance? I am new to creating articles and could use all the help I can get.

Thank you,

Bryce Wilson

165.236.183.1 (talk) 17:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Our articles must be on notable topics, which means that multiple reliable secondary sources need to have discussed them in detail. Articles without reliable references may be deleted. You can submit articles to Articles for Creation, where an experienced user will look at your page and explain what needs to be improved if it fails our criteria (although this may take up to a month). Please also note that Wikipedia is not to be used for promotional purposes, must maintain a neutral point of view and discourages people writing about themselves or their own companies. One other pedantic point to note is that "wiki" is a generic term regarding websites expanded through collaboration by many people, and is not the same thing as "Wikipedia", which is a specific type of wiki. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 17:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Bryce Wilson, and welcome to the Teahouse. Actually, the same action will fix both issues listed. Someone needs to find additional independent reliable sources that discuss SpotXchange in some detail, and use them to add additional content to the article, or to support what is already there, or both. Those sources need to be properly cited inline. Note that press releases, or "news stories" that clearly just reprint press releases will not count, the first cited source in the article now (from Bertelsmann) seems to be of that type. And of course, anything sourced to the company or its principals or employees will not count. Simple directory listings or brief passing mentions will not count either. Sources need not be online, although a link is handy when available. DES ^(talk) 17:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

How do I make a Page about a brand new program without it getting deleted?

I am the chair of a new program at an established teaching institution. I would like to make an article for this new program.

"If an institution's faculties, constituent academic colleges, or academic departments are especially notable or significant they may have their own dedicated article."

My institution's page is very general for all its programs, one sentence. This new program represents a radical departure for my institution, literally moving it from 20th century teaching to 21st. It focuses on technology and new ways of telling stories. The content for the new program is not replicated on the institutions page. The program is brand new.

A. Can I make a page for such a program or will it keep getting deleted? B. If i am allowed to make such a page how can I proceed without it getting deleted? C. Why would making an article page for a new academic program be considered promoting a business?

I am sure there are many people like myself who find wikipedia mystifying. When one searches one finds all kinds of disparate articles and listings so its hard to understand why a listing that I myself might like to find as a user is deleted on day one.

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks. ebk 08:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebkilroy (talk • contribs)

Hello, Ebkilroy. Thanks for coming here and asking. The answer is almost certainly that you don't. Wikipedia is not for telling the world about anything, no matter how worthy or earth shattering that something is. All Wikipedia articles should be based almost entirely on what reliable sources unconnected with the subject of the article have published about it. For something new, it is unlikely that any independent sources have yet written about it (that is what we mean by being 'notable', nothing else) so it is impossible to write an acceptable article on it. --ColinFine (talk) 10:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Ebkilroy, but the situation ColinFine describes might not always exist. While it is unlikely that your program would be covered by sources like newspapers and magazines, you could use independent sources like books, academic or trade journals that cover your field if they discuss how ground-breaking your program is. Also, if your institution has a Wikipedia article with a description of its programs, you might be able to add a mention of it there. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Why did the bot relabel an article as an orphan?

I did several link ins to it and then it was re-labeled again as an orphan

Vinny009 (talk) 21:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vinny009:, assuming we're talking about Abraham George Issa then the bot didn't do anything except add a date parameter to the {{orphan}} tag. Although you added incoming links to other articles you didn't remove the orphan tag once it was no longer applicable - tags are not removed automatically - so the bot did what it was supposed to do and clarified the age of the tag. Nthep (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification! So if by deleting that then I delete the tag as well?

-V

Vinny009 (talk) 21:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

was invited to join the co-op .. having trouble creating profile

hi, when i begin to complete the profile information required, the form does not take the information in the second required field and will not create a porfile without it. any suggestions as to how to remedy this is most appreciated. thank you. Taoyin2004 (talk) 07:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Taoyin2004 I have notified the WP:Co-op of your issue, I'm sure someone will help soon. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

thank you! Taoyin2004 (talk) 07:54, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Taoyin2004: Hi there Taoyin. If I'm understanding the issue correctly, I don't think there is a problem here. The second required field asks, "Briefly share what you're interested in having a mentor help you with". This gives you a chance to articulate what you want to work on during mentorship, and also helps the mentor get a sense of how you want to contribute and how they can best help you. If you have lots of things you need help with, you can just write one of them to get started, or if you're not sure how to describe it, you can just say so and you and your mentor can discuss things once you are matched. Let me know if there is something else going on with the form, though. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 17:42, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

hi jethroBT. can you tell if my full profie with the second field has been saved? i stumbled upon some other way to do it by including all the formatting delimiters(?) is that term still used and still don't know if it worked.

is there anyway you can post to the Paulie Zink page and ask people to be patient with me as i learn how to write article for wiki? i've tried entering comments several times but obviously i don't know how to make them appear. Thank you so much for your help and i am happy to hear that i have been paired with a mentor. i welcome any and all suggestions to speed up my learning cureve. Taoyin2004 (talk) 19:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Taoyin2004: Your profile was created successfully, but unfortunately you were matched to a mentor who just happens to be inactive right now and did not mark themselves as such to prevent the match. Sorry about that. As for the article, it's problematic to copy-and-paste text from a website into a Wikipedia article due our expectations in using copyright content. It is very important that you try to summarize content in your own words, and in a neutral manner. The article needs a lot of work, so I'm going to move it into a userspace draft for you to work on before it goes into the article space. The article is now located at User:Taoyin2004/Paulie Zink. In the userspace you can generally work on the article at your own pace, whereas in the article space, articles can be deleted when they do not meet certain expectations. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 19:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

hello JethroBT,

i understand your concerns. would it be possible to revert the page to the place before i started fiddling with it? Originally it was redirected to Monkey Kung Fu and that only seems fair. i am sorry for causing this problem and will study the requirements carefully. at this point in time, i am not sure why it is an issue to transfer the information about an individual from one researched page to another if i have referenced them. please enlighten me. and thank you for your help in restoring the page to its original form. Paulie Zink has been featured on many covers of magazines among the other reasons the original page was accepted. thank you for your help and for educating me. Taoyin2004 (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

hi JethroBT,

i am beginning to understand what you referenced regarding original words vs cut and paste. is it possible for you to mentor me since the assigned one is unavailable if your time permits it? many thanks. Taoyin2004 (talk) 21:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

pictures

How the hell do you insert a picture into an article.Indubitably58 (talk) 01:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Standard advice follows:

If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 03:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I would like the reference I added to have a number, but it is in the text of the article itself.

Hello. I am trying to edit the article "Jim Fulton" by adding a reference to a speech he made in the House of Commons. The reference itself is now stuck in the article, rather than numbered and located at the bottom of the page. How could I fix this? Thanks for your help! EricJWoodwardEricJWoodward (talk) 03:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

You have to put the reference in <ref>reference tags like this</ref>. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

That worked. Thanks Ian!EricJWoodward (talk) 04:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

[[[No Page]]]

Hi, What does it mean [[[No Page]]] ? Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Vivek.bekhabar. I can think of one or two things you might possibly be referring to but I have never seen [[[No Page]]] written exactly like that anywhere before. Can you give me a link to a page where you have seen this used? — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 14:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Just a guess: Did you get an error message saying "no page" or "no page specified" when attempting to use or seeing the output of a template – maybe an error message in the display of a page's references? Template parameters are defined in their code by tripled curly braces, i.e., {{{something}}} but ... Hmm. Yes please specify where you saw it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:12, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Bilorv & @Fuhghettaboutit, I scrolled down the notifications, where I saw a notification saying - [[[No Page]]] was patrolled by 'some user name' more than a month ego. That's why I asked! Thanks... Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 07:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vivek.bekhabar: Aha! Okay, that means you looked at a notification related to a page that was deleted. I'm sure they could fix this so it said something more sensible.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Vivek.bekhabar: I have changed MediaWiki:Echo-no-title from the MediaWiki default "[No page]" to "[Unknown probably deleted page]". Do you see the latter now? Does it seem more sensible? I don't think the name of the probably deleted page is available for the message but just to be sure, please copy the exact text of the whole entry as displayed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Notifications?uselang=qqx. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi @PrimeHunter:, This is the exact text displayed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Notifications?uselang=qqx. - "(pagetriage-notification-mark-as-reviewed2: Oiyarbepsy, (echo-no-title)) 1 month ago" , while now I see this at the notification when I scroll down "[[[Unknown probably deleted page]]] was patrolled by Oiyarbepsy 1 month ago" .

I too think the latter message makes sense. Thanks!

@Fuhghettaboutit, fyi...it has been fixed now by PrimeHunter Thanks! Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. As expected the page name is not available for the message MediaWiki:Pagetriage-notification-mark-as-reviewed2. It may have been Soulflower. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You are Welcome PrimeHunter. And it is Soulflower. Thanks! Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 06:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

"Stashed file was not found" when uploading to Commons; how to recover lost "stash"?!?

I tried to add about 23 files to Wikimedia Commons, and to add the geocoordinates and explanations took me about 3 days. Despite that the files readily accepted/auto-filled the Category sections for each photo, when I finally clicked "Submit"/"Upload Files" it all crashed and gave the error message "The stashed file was not found when attempting to upload it from the stash."

All of the images are still there on my page, and since the "Describe" tab comes after "Release Rights" and after "Upload" it would seem logical that the metadata is recoverable SOMEHOW (i.e. pairing the explanations I just lost with the images that are still present), but I don't want to click anything until I hear back from someone more expert.

A. Is there a way to recover everything I spent 3 days typing in? B. Is there a way to reorganize the uploading process such that "Upload", coming 2 STEPS before "Describe" somehow actually *RETAINS* images/data that the descriptions will correspond to, rather than assuming the "stash" will be "described" within 20 minutes (or whenever the "stash" data decides to get lost)???

Bush6984 (talk) 00:24, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bush6984. This is a place to ask questions about editing the English language Wikipedia, just one of many independent projects of the Wikimedia Foundation. We have nothing to do, directly, with Wikimedia Commons, an independent file repository. So the short answer is to ask the volunteers there at Commons, since they are the experts on their own project.

But what I will say is that, from previous questions, I have learned that it is difficult or problematic to try to upload 23 files all at once. Far better to upload each image individually. At least that is my beginner's experience regarding Wikimedia Commons. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Editing on Varangaon

I want to know how can i improve Varangaon article. Any help and suggestions.

Dongar Kathorekar (talk) 08:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, the article has "This article needs additional citations for verification" at the top. The way to fix this problem is to make sure there is a reliable source for every statement made in the article — you could help, for instance, by adding references to the last two paragraphs in the article. You could also "copyedit" the article (go through and check spelling, punctuation and grammar) or add new information to the article, as long as it is linked to a reliable source. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 10:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, as is the case with most articles, you'll need to find sources, and also copy-edit the article multiple times. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't know where to go and I'm at wits end!

I have submitted this numerous time and have modified it many times and added references as well. Tom doesn't have a lot of "published" references and most everything that I can reference is from his webpage. He is a major contributor to the art of ventriloquism and he needs to be in Wikipedia for specifically being the first to design an online course in ventriloquism as well as working with Mark Wade and Ken Groves on keeping Maher Studios going and starting the IVS (International Ventriloquist Society). Any help would be greatly appreciated! Here's the link for Tom Crowl - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tom_Crowl Ventdanieljay (talk) 19:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

The comments explain why the article has been declined. At least two of the statements that you have made are not verified from the references. The tone of the article is not neutral. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:46, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

To add to that, there are some sources there that are just not reliable (YouTube and The Magic Cafe Forums are the most obvious examples). If "Tom doesn't have a lot of "published" references", then he's simply not notable by Wikipedia's standards and we can't have an article on him. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 19:52, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

e/c I've added a few "failed verification" tags, all content MUST be supported by the references. The subject really doesn't seem to pass Wikipedia's notability requirements. Theroadislong (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

It might help to read No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability - it is only an essay, not policy, but explains notability, or the lack of it, quite well. - 10:48, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Multiple names

If you are trying to link a name, but there are multiple names that are the same, how do you set it out. EG: Hitler ????? Indubitably58 (talk) 11:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Problem solved. Indubitably58 (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Pictures (2)

My pictures are always off centre at the top of the page and are slightly to the right. How do you alter the positioning and what does Image Size do because when I change it there is no apparent change. Indubitably58 (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Indubitably58, I assume you are talking about instances like Patrick Theodore. Infoboxs do not use thumbnail views. Not all Infoboxs are the same but most take just the image name in the image parameter, and if a cation is needed then use the 'caption' parameter. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Indubitably58, also note most have an 'image_size' property (but usually used) which takes the number of pixels wide to display, but the actual image size as you had as 594 x 395 on Jamie Young.
Lastly your images are going to get deleted anyway as images like File:Jamie Young Brisbane Roar.jpg are clearly copyrighted. KylieTastic (talk) 11:35, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, so to be clear you can't specifically configure where the image will be. Indubitably58 (talk) 11:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Indubitably58, not within Infoboxs, they are always centred so pages look the same. You can position images outside of infoboxes, see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for help. KylieTastic (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Questions

I have some questions here. Hello all, I have recently created article named John Cena on Nepali Wikipedia. But when I went to English Wikipedia >John Cena>read in other languages, I didn't find Nepali l. Can you tll me how to add Nepali language there? 2.And in every page, there is a subtitle...like John Cena has American wrestler, actor and rapper. How to add such text below a title? Noxboy (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Noxboy. I have added ne:जोन सिना as a link in John Cena (I did it by picking the 'Edit links' link below the list of languages, and then editing the 'Wikipedia' box in the Wikidata page to include newiki:जोन सिना).

As for what you call the 'subtitle': no, that is not on every page. The policy is to use it only when it is necessary to distinguish different people with the same name. John Cena is correctly titled. --ColinFine (talk) 21:02, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@ColinFine: How to add there? In desktop version, its not available. And from mobile I didn't find edit option in other languages. Can you teach me how to do? And another I mean that when I search John Cena, There is written John Cena American wrestler actor and rapper or if we search any actor then it is written below their title like american actor or something. So I mean how to write like that?Noxboy (talk) 01:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello again Noxboy. I don't know how to answer you. I made the change in the desktop version - at the bottom of the list of links to other languages is a link that says "Edit links", and that's what I picked. I don't know about the mobile version - I've hardly ever tried to edit on that, and it may be that the language links can't be edited there.

If you are talking about what Google shows when you search, you'll have to ask Google. Wikipedia has no control whatever over what Google displays - it gets part of its information from Wikipedia, but only Google knows where it gets all the information or how it chooses to display it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Noxboy. I think you refer to a text which is only displayed to mobile users (see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Tech News: 2015-28). It is taken from Wikidata but I don't know how to locate the Wikidata page in the mobile version. The bottom of the mobile version of articles should have a "Desktop" link. If your mobile device displays the link and can handle the desktop version of pages then click the link and look for "Wikidata item" in the left pane of the page under "Tools". For John Cena it goes to wikidata:Q44437 which says "American professional wrestler, bodybuilder, rapper, and actor". Is that the text you actually see? You wrote American wrestler actor and rapper. I don't know whether the mobile version of Wikidata can be edited but there should be a similar "Desktop" link at the bottom. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

UK election results

I just wondered if there was a discussion group for the Wikipedia updating of UK election results? There are 650 constituencies and I certainly don't have the time to edit all of them with correct sources - the the local returning officer. The real problem is that the figures for the total electorate are not always available and even the House of Commons Library has some incorrect figures!Cantab72 (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello Cantab72. I don't know many of the answers here, but you could have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums or perhaps ask for feedback at its talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums. There is also Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. Also @Leutha: may be able to help, he was doing some work on this previously. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 17:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Question

Hi all. Please try to understand this problem: Suppose, I created an article on English Wikipedia and again I created same page on Nepali Wikipedia. So now, On English Wikipedia article, how can I add read this article in other languages>Nepali. I don't know how to explain this properly in text. If you don't understand this problem, then please talk me in my talk page. I just want to know that Wikipedia article is available in many language and there how to add Nepali language? Please talk with me if you didn't understood the problem.Noxboy (talk) 11:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

@Noxboy: At the left side of your screen, near the bottom of the toolbar, there should be a "Languages" section. If there is a Nepali version of the article you are viewing, it should be accessible from there. If there isn't, please give me the name of the English and Nepali articles and I will try and see what the problem is. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 11:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: I replied to this, and added the Nepali version of John Cena to the relevant Wikidata entry - see the item 11 sections below. I don't know why my answer does not satisfy Noxboy. --ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thanks for the help. I have understood now

Restoring Deleted Article

Hello,

I recently submitted Draft:BitShares and it was deleted due to copyright infringement. I helped to draft the pages in question on bitshares.org/technology. If I put a license in the website repository that says the website copy at bitshares.org/technology is in the public domain, is there some way I can have my deleted article restored? I would like to give the article submission another shot and there was a lot of work in Draft:BitShares that was also my own writing that I would like to retain for the 2nd attempt at submitting.

So are deleted articles gone forever or can I recover some of the material that I submitted?

Thanks!

Robrigo (talk) 14:35, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Robrigo, from the notice on your talk page "...Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly exists under a compatible licence and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to.", so I guess changing the licence on the source would be ok. However, content copied from a commercial website is unlikely to be neutral and also it sounds like you have a Conflict of interest. However, if you do change the licence you can request undeletion at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. KylieTastic (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Kylie. I am a follower of the open source cryptocurrency project BitShares and member of the forum at bitsharestalk.org. I also helped proofread the latest version of their website. Do you think that is enough to constitute a conflict of interest? I am not paid by anyone for my work, nor am I elected as a delegate via the protocol.I have a modest amount of the cryptocurrency the article is describing. Just curious what your opinion of my scenario would be (CoI or not CoI), thanks for the quick response! Robrigo (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Robrigo. That sounds fairly borderline for COI. But the reason for discouraging COI editors is because they are likely to find it difficult to write in a suitably neutral tone. Can you write an article which is almost 100% based on published sources independent of the subject (which would exclude anything published on bitshares.org's site), and does not go beyond what those independent sources say? And does include material based on sources that are critical of the subject, if there are some? That is what is required in a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

And Robrigo only administrators can delete/restore articles. They do it for many legitimate reasons. I suggest you rewrite it again, this time using your own words rather than copy pasting. That way you would be able to avoid copyright infringements. Also, if you follow Wikipedia's core content policies when writing an article it's more likely to be accepted. Cheers!--Chamith (talk) 18:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I will give it another shot if I can get the article undeleted to bring a more neutral view to the topic and tone of the discussion.

For your information, you can request for your draft to be undeleted at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. But first you must request for undeletion on the talk page of administrator who deleted your draft -- Chamith (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Robrigo (talk) 18:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Chaminth. The majority of the article was in my own words, except for the Technology section, so it would help me to regain the history section as well as all of the references that I used for that section so that I don't have to reinvent as much of the wheel. I appreciate all of the help and suggestions!

Robrigo (talk) 18:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@ChamithN: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion is only for uncontroversial deletions (typically articles deleted by PROD or abandoned drafts)- anything deleted as a copyright infringement will not be undeleted there. @Robrigo: you would need to contact the deleting admin, @Jimfbleak:, however, as it was a copyright infringement it's unlikely they will restore it. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Dropbox URL within a cite web ref

Hi Teahouse Hosts Whilst examining and correcting articles with cite errors, I came across a cite web reference with a dropbox url. Is a dropbox url legitimate within a citation reference? CV9933 (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

What was it pointing to? With Dropbox, I would mostly worry about self-publishing or copyright violation. However, as always, it is the reliability of the source, and not the medium we are looking at. Happy Squirrel (talk) 18:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Article is Here and yes it was copyright violation that I was wondering about.CV9933 (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

The title page is missing, which makes me dreadfully suspicious. Also, no title page makes it hard to tell who put the document together and why. I would personally just remove the URL (leave the rest of the template) and see if anyone can find an official version to link to. Happy Squirrel (talk) 18:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I added a dummy archive date in the cite so that when an official version is found, the correct archive date can be added and the reference should work okay. CV9933 (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I've removed the dummy parameters just in case it could have caused confusion. The reference still works, though, and the parameters are still there, waiting to be filled in if anyone manages to find online versions of the source. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 19:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Appropriate citations

Hi,

I recently submitted an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lalita_Sharma) that was rejected on grounds of "lack of citations". I had, however included citations wherever a statement/claim has been made about the subject of the article.

I'm not quite sure if the issue is regarding the quality of the references, or the fact that there aren't enough of them. I'm not quite sure what type of sentences in my article qualify for citations. I am concerned about over-citing the article, since each sentence could possibly be considered a "claim" about the subject of the article.

Could someone help identify where in the article I need to cite?

Thank you, Wolfdane Wolfdane (talk) 16:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Woldfdane and welcome to the Teahouse. Inline citations are nice, but are only needed for contentious material about a living person. If a paragraph comes from one source, put the reference at the end of the paragraph. If a paragraph comes from several sources, put the reference at the end of each sentence or group of sentences that it serves as the source. The problem is the quality of your citations. For an article about her, a link to a press cutting on her website isn't enough. You need to include information about the published article itself naming the newspaper, title of article, author, date. See User:Yunshui/References for beginners and Help:Referencing for beginners. To show that she is well known (notable) you need references that are independent of her, not from her website. Find other articles about her. They don't need to be in English or online as long as you provide the complete reference. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, no, particularly for living people pretty much everything should be cited in/after the sentence that is making the claim. Given the multivector continuous non-supervised editing that happens at Wikipedia, a single footnote at the end of a paragraph is not really acceptable as content gets added, removed, moved around by multiple people many of whom may not know or care about policy . The issue is however, two-fold. It is not only the need for a footnote, but a requirement that the source in the footnote is "reliable" - ie it has a reputation for accuracy, fact checking and editorial oversight and is not just some guy who posted something on the web. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:30, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Minimal Sources

The article I am writing has minimal sources, as not that much information is available on the person I am writing about (Ted Vulpius). What do you do if minimal sources are available and what am I doing wrong that the article got rejected twice? 01:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrashbandicoot01 (talk • contribs)

Hello. Welcome to the teahouse. Subjects on wikipedia have to be notable, which here means that people unrelated to them have written at length about them. It doesn't have to be online, or in English (although that is preferred), but there must be that independent,reliable in-depth coverage. So unfortunately, if there are not many sources for the subject, the draft will probably never be accepted. The issue is unfortunately the topic, and not the actual draft. Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I recognized a certain pattern with 2 editors

I wonder what was the name or category, for the impression, that 2 editors were working together in a pair, the one editing (controversial) the other would secure it against change by revert every ones edits deleting the first ones edits, even if the first one did overwrite (repeatedly) statements in an article? It seems to be the ultimate weapon to get one sided agenda in to a certain article. I am referring to an article that is under the 1RR. Could somebody please help, because the pattern I recognized with two editors seems to be more than two editors working only by incident in the same direction, if not already rehearsed. Thank you --Miraclexix (talk) 20:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

"Sockpuppet" is the term for someone abusively using multiple accounts. See Signs of sock puppetry and Handling suspected sock puppets. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 20:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

It's called Meatpuppetry if one editor is guiding another editor to make certain edits on their behalf. It is very hard to prove that action is coordinated as a lot of editors share interests and have similar points of view. You can't speculate about editors by name if you don't have very solid proof to back up your assertions or it could be considered a personal attack. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. @Liz: are you following me, or is it simple coincidence, that comment again of yours to me today, seeking help on a totally different location now? Be it as it may, I also thank you for the help :) --Miraclexix (talk) 21:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I can vouch that Liz seems to genuinely enjoy helping new users all over Wikipedia. I don't think two helping incidents from her indicate she is following you, but if she is, you couldn't ask for a better guardian angel. Happy Squirrel (talk) 21:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hear, hear!! Having Liz as your guide is as good as it gets around here. w.carter-Talk 22:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, that is flattering of you two to say. For the record, Miraclexix, I usually visit the Teahouse every day to see if I can help although usually someone has already answered the open questions. There are a lot of experienced editors who drop by regularly. As to the other articles, well, I have them watchlisted and the furious editing going on on the talk page means they frequently appear at the top of the list. And if you appear on any noticeboards, filing a complaint or defending yourself, I'm likely to see that as well. I have far too many pages on my Watchlist! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Liz: O.K. I see. I am just unaware of what "the wikipedian" would do .. so at first I got a little suspicious. Thank you for the kind reassurance. Well, since asking is free .. but never mind! I saw you not stonewalling, nor not open for reasonable discussion - but to the contrary I saw you giving good advice in a polite manner, writing short and concise in your own words, w/o lots of warning templates/unexplained accusation series/block threatenings and gaming me down - so naturally Liz, I assumed good!(*I hope you got the double message*) -- And hey, have a good time and thank you, Liz! --Miraclexix (talk) 01:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I have also noticed a pattern like this. When visiting another editor's talk page I saw conversations on there between that person and another ed. to the effect of: "He's back on such-and-such a page, editing...I went in and reverted his edit for you" -"Thanks, yes I saw..." It sounded to me like these two were teaming up to sort of bully ed.s that disagreed with what they wanted to say, tag-teaming to delete edits that did not jive with their ideas... Thoughts? Juicebox 90 (talk) 02:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

How to remove "This article is an orphan"?

My first article had "This article is an orphan." I edited the source of 5 other articles to reference my article, but the "orphan" tag is still there in my article.

Does the "orphan" tag get removed after some period of time? Or do I have to submit something to say "I have now referenced my article in other articles."?

Dcj3616 (talk) 02:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Dcj3616. I have removed the tag. When you have fixed an issue in one of those tags on any article, you may remove it yourself. You don't need someone to approve it or anything. —DangerousJXD (talk) 02:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk Pages: controversial topics?

Hi, I was trying to add info to a page under sanction and my edits were (not surprisingly) reverted. Someone told me they will have a better chance if I run them through the Talk page, but mostly what I see on there is "I think we should put this in---," with reply of "no, I don't think we should" type of pattern and then the issue seems to just get dropped... I looked at the Using Talk Pages section but did not find what I am looking for. Here are my questions:

I understand I need to post the intended edit plus citation. Then, other editors(...or are they admin...?)comment on it. How many of them need to agree with the edit before it can post? If they disagree, does that mean I can NOT post? If they agree, and I post, does this mean no one can change it later?

I am just wondering how to proceed in my goal of adding scholarly balance to this article without wasting a bunch of time. Thank you for your help. Juicebox 90 (talk) 02:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

That talk page is relatively civilized given the topic. The relevant essay is wp:BRD (bold, revert, discuss) and you are at the discuss phase. What you need to do on the talk page is explain what you want to do and why. The why is in the form of reliable sources and arguments about why it is relevant. Then other editors (some may be admins, but they are acting as editors in the discussion) will discuss the matter to try and get a consensus. The consensus could be "yes, put it there" or "no, don't" or "phrase it such and such a way and put it here" or "put it, and some balancing material in" or practically anything else. Editing against clear consensus is bad, really bad, you can be blocked for it. This goes both ways. If the consensus is clearly "no" and you edit anyway, you can be blocked. If the consensus is clearly "yes" and someone reverts you, they get into trouble.

Now, judging consensus is a tricky thing. Generally, unanimity or close to it indicates consensus, but that is neither necessary or sufficient. If you are unsure, just ask the more experienced editors on the page to help you determine consensus. Generally, wait until most of the debate dies down before calling it. If you find yourself being the last one debating, stop.

Good luck, and don't take it at all personally. Talk page debates can get heated and stressful on such pages. If you feel yourself getting stressed, just log off. Happy Squirrel (talk) 03:07, 9 July 2015 (UTC)