Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/East Sea (disambiguation)

East Sea (disambiguation) and related pages edit

Involved parties edit

User:Appleby (notified 08:10, 12 February 2006, 01:13, 13 February 2006)
User:Endroit (initiating party)
User:Nlu (considered as initiating party)
User:Masterhatch (notified 08:11, 12 February 2006, 19:08, 12 February 2006)
User:Deiaemeth (notified 08:09, 12 February 2006, 18:51, 12 February 2006)
User:Nobu Sho (volunteer)

(A general notification was placed in Talk:Sea of Japan, just in case others may consider himself/herself to be an "involved party" 20:19, 12 February 2006)
~~(User:Deiaemeth was also notified separately, just in case he considers himself to be an "involved party" 08:09, 12 February 2006, 18:51, 12 February 2006)~~

Involved articles edit

East Sea (RFMF tag added 18:10, 11 February 2006)
East sea (RFMF tag added 18:12, 11 February 2006)
East Sea (disambiguation) (RFMF tag added 18:09, 11 February 2006)
Sea of Japan (RFMF tag added 18:07, 11 February 2006)

Issues to mediate edit

Whether East Sea (and East sea) should redirect to Sea of Japan or East Sea (disambiguation).
Within East Sea (disambiguation), whether the current/protected version's description of "Sea of Japan" needs to be changed or if it's OK as is. (See this link, 16:50, 10 February 2006 for the current/protected version as of this writing.)
Determine what else, exactly, User:Appleby wants, and discuss his issues. (We have not seen enough coherent explanation in the discussion pages).
Determine whether any prolonged page protection and/or additional user sanctions may be appropriate.

Additional issues to mediate edit

Parties' agreement to mediate edit

Agree. Endroit 07:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. --Nlu (talk) 18:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Masterhatch 01:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Appleby 05:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Deiaemeth 05:33, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree (late entry; agreed after the Decision of the Mediation Committee) Nobu Sho 23:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Decision of the Mediation Committee edit

Accept: A mediator will be assigned shortly.

For the Mediation Committee, Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 17:11, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one. MyNameIsNotBob 10:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have at it. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 13:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation Commencement edit

I have notified all of the parties above of the mediation and am awaiting contact from 4 of the parties. Nlu and Appleby have both given me their views by email and I have commenced the mediation between these two parties. Will post more information here when other parties make contact. MyNameIsNotBob 09:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Appointment of Two Spokespersons edit

Due to the current difficulty in conducting mediation, I am requesting that the parties, by consensus, appoint a spokesperson each for the mediation. This is in accordance with Wikipedia:Mediation#Disputants:

Disputant groups have to choose a representative from amongst them who may consult with the group during the process.

MyNameIsNotBob 08:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Party A spokesperson nomination edit

Agreement of relevant individuals edit

Party B spokesperson nomination edit

Agreement of relevant individuals edit

Two of the parties in the mediation requested that the mediation not be restricted to two parties. As such, the mediation will continue with the 6 relevant parties. MyNameIsNotBob 11:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Outside comment edit

In accordance with Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation/Malplaced disambiguation pages, I've merged East Sea into East Sea (disambiguation). Of course, that doesn't moot the above argument, but you should keep in mind that a main page should not redirect to its attendant disambiguation page, but vice verse. BD2412 T 23:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification: My merger of the East Sea page is not related to the above discussion, and is not intended to influence the outcome. However, having never heard of an "East Sea" before today myself, I think that the current status of having "East Sea" as a disambiguation page is the most useful outcome for users of the encyclopedia. Cheers! BD2412 T 00:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Reassignment edit

Over the past few weeks this mediation has hit the back burner on my priorities list and as such I am requesting that it be reassigned to somebody else. However, in my opinion the issue may be better dealt with by ArbCom as it raises some very difficult questions about the role of disambiguation pages. Most of the mediation took place at User:MyNameIsNotBob/East Sea. I would be more than keen though to hear about the result of this discussion. Regards. MyNameIsNotBob 02:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked through the mediation pages, it doesn't seem to me that this is an issue that has benefited from mediation. The parties don't seem to be any closer to an agreement than when the mediation began. I don't believe it is an issue for arbitration, yet, either; there don't seem to be gross violations of policy that require sanctioning . In short, it is an editing dispute that is unlikely to be resolved with all parties agreeing to a single solution. With that in mind, I suggest an RfC to determine community consensus on the appropriate solution, and an enforcement of that consensus. Mediation closed. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 02:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]