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How is the school where George W. Bush spoke on September 11?

I didn't find anything on Wikipedia about where George W. Bush was on September 11 (and I wonder if anyone thinks it should be here, and where). But earlier this week, a web site posted a link to a video of NBC News live coverage of the events of that day, and included Bush speaking from the school where he was scheduled to speak to students before he had to leave. I heard "Key" in the name of the school and don't really want to try to search through the video for the appearance, but if a Florida community's name has "Key" in it, I would say we need to wonder how they are after Hurricane Irma.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

It was Emma_E._Booker_Elementary_School in Sarasota, Florida. RudolfRed (talk) 19:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I must not have heard something correctly in the video. It seems this article should be linked from the September 11 article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:23, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

It's difficult to see how it can be linked from the main article without some rewriting, since it is (of necessity) a brief overview of the main events of the day. The school is already linked in Timeline for the day of the September 11 attacks#8:00 a.m.. Alansplodge (talk) 20:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

That may be enough. I couldn't think where to go.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Sarasota apparently lucked out of the hurricane. Seems to include the school. A church lost its cross, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

That's good.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Per the schools article: "Bush entered the second-grade classroom of Sandra Kay Daniels where he introduced the class to Education Secretary Rod Paige..." emphasis mine. Maybe that is what you heard? uhhlive (talk) 16:14, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I went back to the video and after Bush finishes speaking, Katie Couric says at 38:15 Longboat Key. It is in the location where the school is.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:14, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Cooker

I've used gas cooker, the cylinder seems to be a problem. I've used electric cooker, the cost of electric seems to be a problem. I need help with the best solution available please. Regards. 103.67.158.50 (talk) 22:21, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

"Cooker" seems to mean all kinds of things. Are you talking about a backyard grill ? It sounds like you mean a propane cylinder for a propane grill. A solar cooker might work for you, if you have lots of sunlight and time, but not much money. But they can be dangerous, so keep pets and kids away, and wear sunglasses. They work best with precooked foods that just need warming, or foods that don't require a very high temperature to cook, like eggs. And, of course, you will need a backup plan for night and when it's not sunny. StuRat (talk) 22:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

StuRat: I've thought of free energy solution, its is not possible or available currently where I am...

1) What is the best cost effective, extremely low electric consumption portable 2 stove/cooker (one small and one big base) out their available. the one I currently possess (gifted by someone) takes bill over 5,000...

2) Gas cylinders seem to leak quite often. What could be the alternative?

103.67.158.50 (talk) 23:03, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

You might consider a portable induction cooktop. I have one. Here's a large (1500 W, 10.5 inch pan): [1], and a small (1300 W, 9 inch pan): [2]. The initial cost is high, but they are very efficient, heating only the pot, not the great outdoors, so the cost of electricity is not high, especially if the pot is covered. They are also quite convenient, provided you have an electricity outlet and induction cookware (it won't work with some pots and pans). StuRat (talk) 00:00, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

This costs $15. You can't cook a moose on it, but you can make soup. Soup's not bad. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:48, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

There are a few solutions that spring to mind: the first is a halogen oven, the second is a pressure cooker, the third is a microwave oven, the fourth is a slow cooker. Between them you will be able to make anything you fancy eating with the minimum of power usage. --TammyMoet (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

What world and North American cities have the highest numbered streets?

Place, Road, Drive, Avenue and similar count even though it doesn't say "street" on the sign but not highway/rural-type designations like Interstate 995, US 1, State Route 500, County Road 409, E400, Motorway A344, D2006, Farm Road 666..

So if County Road 999 is Tenth Avenue in Townville it counts as 10 not 999. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I suspect such a street would be in Utah, which has a unique street numbering system, based on distance from a city's Mormon Temple. See here for an explanation. Using Google Maps, the highest numbered street I can find in the Salt Lake City metro area is West 15000 South Street in the suburb of Bluffdale, Utah. --Jayron32 23:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

There are two styles of numbering in Utah. One uses consecutive numbers; the other uses what are really coordinates, equal to the building address on intersecting streets. The second style simply uses numbers that are 100 times the other. In some cities you see both styles used. I think it's appropriate to see "W. 15000 S. St." as an alternative way of writing "W. 150th S. St."

When driving in Minnesota a few weeks ago, I was interested to come across the following sequence of streets: 860th, 870th, 880th, and finally 893rd Av. You can find the west end of 893rd at 44.879829°N 95.482865°W / 44.879829; -95.482865. But while these numbers read as if part of an urban street plan, they evidently are in a rural area and not in a city. Presumably the idea was that if the area was ever developed as part of a city then the in-between numbers might be filled in. --69.159.60.147 (talk) 03:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

St. Petersburg, Russia has "Millionnaya Ulitsa" [3], which could be translated as "Million Street". Not sure if you want to count that as a "numbered" street since it is not part of a series. Dragons flight (talk) 05:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Texas has 4 digit state roads, the highest of which I think is FM 7550. Dragons flight (talk) 05:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

The OP specifically asked for street names as numbers, not route numbers, and in any case, Virginia has route numbers that extend into 5 digits. ; that's because the State of Virginia maintains all roads outside of incorporated cities, Arlington County, and Henrico county. Literally every public byway in most of the state is assigned a state route number (except in independent cities and the two counties mentioned). In places like densely populated Fairfax County, Virginia essentially every side street and cul-de-sac has a route number, these go into 5 digits. --Jayron32 11:22, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm, I misread the OP's statement. Not really clear to me why one would include some forms of systematic numbering but exclude others, but I guess that's his choice. Dragons flight (talk) 11:37, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

I have always wondered about this in respect of Britain, so I Googled it. Several websites (of insufficent reliability for Wikipedia, and mostly blocked here at work) suggest that number 2679 Stratford Road in the Hockley Heath area of Birmingham is the highest numbered house over here. I expected it to be Birmingham, which has several long main roads leading into it which have the same name (and therefore continuous numbering) for a relatively long distance and which are lined with houses. The section of Stratford Road within Birmingham (part of the A34, from memory) (now part of the A3400, originally part of the A34) is particularly long and residential in character. That said, I didn't expect the numbering to go above 1000 or so! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 12:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• I think the OP is asking about the numbers of the roads, not the houses on them. There are some very high road numbers in the UK, because four digit numbers are used to mark A roads that are very minor but still the primary route to a location (or, like the A1079 road, used to be minor). According to List of roads zones in Great Britain, the highest numbered road in the UK is the B9177 near Inverness. Ireland goes even further, with some 5 digit road numbers. That page shows one local road with the number L95723-10. Smurrayinchester 13:01, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

  I think that's also not what the OP is looking for; that is he's looking for "numbers as street names" rather than route numbers. --Jayron32 16:29, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

(oops, edit conflict!) I think we now need to clarify, as four different things have been suggested:

• House numbering (like 2769 Stratford Road)
• Numbered highways etc. ("highway/rural-type designations" explicitly excluded by the OP)
• Streets that happen to have a number as their name without being part of a numbered street system (like Dragon flights Millionnaya Ulitsa. Google Maps suggests four different places in Germany for "Millionenweg", and two for "Millionenstraße)
• What I think the OP is actually asking is the highest in an urban system of numbered streets like they have them in Manhattan etc. The highest example of this kind I found by skimming through that article is 304th street in Tehran. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

This is a "solvable" problem. Numbered streets tend to run mostly parallel to one another. It gets very confusing if they cross each other a lot. Therefore, cities with numbered streets tend to be set up on a grid. Therefore, you can eliminate cities that don't have any sort of grid structure. In the United States, obvious grid cities are New York, Pheonix, and Portland. I happen to know that Pheonix didn't really use numbered streets much. They went crazy awarding street names as they keep expanding the city. New York's grid is confined in Manhattan. Portland can keep extending the grid westward. Unfortunately, I've never been there. So, looking at a map, I see SE 362nd Ave SE 377th Ave (I just found a higher numbered one) as the highest numbered street. There could be another one with a higher number in Portland. Are there larger grided cities to look at? Most extremely large cities are very old and, therefore, not built on a grid. So, my gut feeling is that the largest grid cities will be in the Americas, but possibly also in Africa. Europe and Asia cities are simply too old in general. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• As to New York, the true grid pattern of streets is confined to Manhattan, but the numbering continues into the Bronx; still, it's irrelevant to this query, because the highest number is only 263rd St. See List of numbered streets in Manhattan. There's another, separate numbered grid in Queens, which as mentioned in numbered street (cited by Sluzzelin) goes up to 271st St., still too low to be relevant. --69.159.60.147 (talk) 19:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Similar to Portland, I found SE 410th Ave in Vancouver. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Seattle has a SE 488th ave. Again, a new city on a grid that can expand. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

And another similar case: Iowa City has a SE 690th St. They can really expand. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Des Moines goes up to 740th Avenue. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:44, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Manhattan KS goes to 3700 Avenue. I'm tired of looking. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:48, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

So, it looks like Kansas set up nearly the entire state on a grid, centering on Newton, KS. So, they get really big numbers. 209.149.113.5 (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

• I'm surprised no one has mentioned this: the answer is Cupertino, California, home of Apple Computers, whose address is 1 Infinite Loop. --M@rēino 20:32, 14 September 2017 (UTC)