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AASHTO approved the I-110 renumbering from State Route 11

I know the renumbering of 7/710 and 11/110 were done separately (4 or 5 years apart). According to what I have learned In 1978 Federal Highway Administrations approved the I-110 as a chargeable interstate, but when did AASHTO approved the I-110 renumbering. 1979? Early 1980? Because what I have learned is 1981 is when I-110 replaced the SR 11 designation. I think is more important to focus on when did AASHTO approved the numbering systems, because answering when did the numbers changed really is quite pointless to indicate. From I-710, it follows; I-710 was approved by FHWA in September 1983 and approved by AASHTO in May 30, 1984. SVResource website indicated in 1991, there have been some of SR 7 signs in Downtown LB still existing. I am not sure about AASHTO approved the I-110 is it 1979, 1980? I-110 renumbering is definitely before I-710 renumbering about 4 or 5 years difference.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 04:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

JasBrow (talk) 07:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I use Scott "Kurumi" Oglesby for all of my 3 digit Interstate history. His website Kurumi.com is fairly well researched and he's got references to all of his sources (which he's been doing since the 1990s, long before Wikipedia made it fashionable to do so). His I-110 page here states that the upgrade to an Interstate was approved in 1978, and that the signage went up in 1984. His I-710 page here states that the number change was approved in September, 1983 (as an interstate) and May, 1984 (as I-710 specifically) and the signage went up in October 1984. Other internet Interstate historians have more information as well. For example Dan Faigin here notes the specific acts which resulted in the renumbering of 110. AARoads: here has some more information as well. The year 1981 as the actual year the specific number for 110 was chosen, so from these sources we have the following timeline: for the 110: Approved as an Interstate 1978, number assigned 1981, signs changed 1984. For 710: approved as an Interstate Sept. 1983, number assigned May 1984, signage went up October 1984. Given the proximity in time when the signs were actually posted, and the close geographic proximity, the signage changes were likely part of the same project. --Jayron32 14:39, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

So for I-880 and I-980 is the same rule: I-880: FWHA approved: 1983, number chosen: 1984, signs changed: 1986. I-980: FHWA approved: 1976:, number chosen: 1981, signs changed: 1986 When Jaayron mentioned sign changing, does than mean it will have to take more than one year to upgrade the entire sign exist at their highway. Do Megalopolis have to do sign changing at the same time is because it is easier for commuters, why don't they do it at the different time. Because I like different time sign changing rather than same time.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 00:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

There's no official nationwide policy on how and when signs change. When the authority in charge of doing so gets the money and resources together, they make new signs then they hire a crew to go out and change them. It's just like that. --Jayron32 00:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, [1] Floodgap roadgap said in 1981 CA 11 became Interstate 110, so the sign changings have to happen at the end of 1981, maybe November 1981, budgets may be limited to replace all the signs so at that time sign changes may not be able to produce all of it, from interstate-guide it said that California 11 was signed on the Harbor Freeway until 1981, when it became Interstate 110 and California 110. Interstate 710 was not created until 1984, so there was a three-year gap between the creation of the two Interstate routes.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Pubs in Hunslet, Leeds 1840 - 1930

I am currently researching my family history and discovered that my great great grandfather Joseph Tomlinson (1846-1919) was landlord of the Prince of Wales Pub located at 17 Marsh Lane, Hunslet between c1890 and 1894 before becoming the landlord of The Spotted Dog Inn, 58 Church Street, Hunslet in 1894 until his death in January 1919. The Spotted Dog was also used for Coroners Inquests during the period Joseph was there as landlord. I am looking for any information on these two pubs including any photographs from this period. I have located a picture of the Spotted Dog which was taken in the 1970's when the pub was in a derelict state awaiting demolition. However, this is not the original Spotted Dog as the photograph shows a date of 1928 in the eaves indicating that the pub was rebuilt in 1928. I have searched the internet for information on these two pubs but have been unable to locate any information whatsoever apart from this photograph and a newspaper article in the Yorkshire Evening Post dated May 29, 1903 concerning an attempted suicide of a servant girl who was living at the Spotted Dog. Any information about these two pubs during the time Joseph was there would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JasBrow (talk • contribs) 07:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I think your first port of call should be the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses which will tell you who was with your relative in those pubs. Ancestry is a good site for family history research of this nature. You may also find local history groups on the internet who can help with this. Your local archives service should also hold material relating to this pub. Finally, the National Archives may be able to help locate using the Access to Archives facility. I'll come back to you with some links. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC) I've asked a friend who is researching pubs in Barnsley whether she knows of any sites, and I'll report back what she says. I note you've posted elsewhere on the internet too. Are you aware of the Historical Directories site? --TammyMoet (talk) 12:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd also recommend contacting the Local Branch of CAMRA covering the area (via CAMRA's national website). It's quite likely that one or more of its members will have access to (or will even have written) books or other historical materials about pubs in the area and era – this is a common interest amongst we Xythophilists! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Zythophilists eh? Great drinkers but can't spell. ;-) Richard Avery (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Not quite what you are looking for, but I found; "Pickard, Anty. painter & victualler Spotted Dog, Chapel St, Hunslet" in History, gazetteer, and directory, of the West-Riding of Yorkshire by William White, 1837 (p.591). So the place had a bit of age to it. Alansplodge (talk) 19:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

This contact may have more information, or be able to put you in touch with other sources - have you contacted him? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It's also possible that this guy may have information or sources he can share with you. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

"Have a Nice Day" writing format

Hi there, on the "Have a Nice Day" article I've included a Critical response section and one of them criticises the song's signature line: "Ba, ba da, ba, ba, ba da, da". I'm wondering how on earth I would write the ba ba da's :S

There is an audio sample of the ba ba da's so you understand what I'm talking about haha, thanks :) Ultra Violet Light 16:33, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not a matter of what you think. The reference you quoted to back up this claim actually said "The "ba-ba-ba's" in the background push the song from merely grating to room-fleeingly bad." - so "ba-ba-ba" it is! SteveBaker (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Crumbs! So it did, thanks :D Ultra Violet Light 19:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

It would be more interesting to find out how such a supposedly horrible song reached number 5 on the charts. Possibly the critic's viewpoint is not mainstream. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:18, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure the charts are a reliable definer of 'good' songs. Stop the Cavalry by Jona Lewie and Ernie (The Fastest Milkman in the West) by Benny Hill come immediately to mind. Richard Avery (talk) 08:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The charts define what's popular. I can think of any number of old Top 40 hits that I found to be wretched, but that doesn't stop the Casey Kasems of the world from playing them. I just question why an article about a song requires one particular negative reviewer's opinion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Good versus popular. Hmmm - that's a debate you'll have a hard time ending if it ever gets started. Fortunately, a Wikipedia article only has to care about what reviews are notable and authoritative - if this one is, then we should write about it - if it's not, then dump it. SteveBaker (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Precisely the point. Opinions of random "notables" often get slipped into articles by editors who just happen to agree with the reviewer: Source-based POV-pushing. If I could find a reviewer who said "I Will Always Love You" is a thoroughly obnoxious, totally irritating song, I couldn't say that in the article myself, but I might be able to find someone "notable" who said it, and that would work. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

The song is from the album which started a critical backlash for Stereophonics (mainly because of the lead single "Mr. Writer"), although neither of them state about said backlash. I'm working on gathering sources for the album and "Mr. Writer" to include this :) Ultra Violet Light 19:46, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

It's all to do with the Massive Global Worldwide Transference Syndrome Paradigm Effect. It works like this: When someone likes something, that somehow makes it "good". When they like it a lot, that makes it "great". When they like it even more, that makes it "awesome". At the other end of the scale, when someone dislikes something, that somehow makes it "shit". Et cetera. All complete rubbish, of course. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it depends on the critic. Didn't Mark Twain say about Wagner, "His music is better than it sounds"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

It's usually attributed to Mark Twain because it appeared in his autobiography, but he was apparently quoting Edgar Wilson "Bill" Nye [2], [3]. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:01, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

References and format help for the Scott Community College page

Hello everyone! I am really trying to revamp and make some needed changes to a page about the school I am attending.

I have made a few small changes, additions really, but the page lacks citations all-around. I know much of the information is fairly correct, but I know some of the information is outdated, and none of it has any citations.

The items I added (school Presidents, Chancellors, etc.) has reliable sources attached, but I really would like to see if someone can help me with a better wikitable format for the information I added. Or, maybe not even a wikitable, maybe something else works better for the information I have provided to the page.

Here is the page as it stands. I hope someone can help!

Scott_Community_College

--ErikVKing (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I found the source for the missing citations, but it seems to have been copied verbatim into the article: http://www.eicc.edu/business/support/foundations/scott/getin2/history.html

Iow state .gov websites might have official data, for example. For things like online courses offered, I assume that a primary source (the college own website) would be allowed but I'm not sure. Online local newssites might have useful reports (about the campus expansion for example). :Maybe check similar wikipedia articles to see which layout/tables etc. works best. Ssscienccce (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2013 (UTC)