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How is this translation in Spanish?

Hi! I wrote All Smiles Dental Centers in English. After some work, I wrote a Spanish version at es:Usuario:WhisperToMe/All Smiles Dental Centers by consulting bilingual documents online. Anyhow, how is the translation? I would be happy if others edited the page, before it is posted in the mainspace on ES. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, right off the bat, "all smiles" (e.g., "he's all smiles") doesn't mean "all the smiles" in English, but something much closer to "all smiling". I am not sure offering a translation is the best idea, but "todo sonriente" would be much closer to the English sense.

aproximadamente de 60.000 should be aproximadamente 60.000

en una tienda should be colocada en una tienda de comestibles.

use desde (since) more often to replace a partir de (beginning in).

Estado is not capitalized.

It's pretty good, but there's a lot of little things. Is it okay if I just edit what you have written? μηδείς (talk) 01:46, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Sure! Have right at it :) WhisperToMe (talk) 02:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll make some changes. I don't want to change the name to todo sonriente on my own--I'd like your opinion, or better yet, you could contact them and ask them if they have a name they use in Spanish. μηδείς (talk) 02:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

That's fine :) - I'd like to move it to the mainspace whenever possible WhisperToMe (talk) 05:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, there are two questions, mere grammaticality, which is generally fine, and idiom and meaning. There's a moderate amount of work to be done making the article idiomatic (inaugurarse, instead of abrir), and a significant amount of work to be done making sure the meaning of the Spanish approximates the sense of the English. For example, Más empresas proporcionaron frenos para niños pobres, was grammatical, but made no sense, until I looked at the English, seeing you needed to coordinate with the prior information: Por eso, más empresas comenzaron a proporcionar frenos para los niños pobres. That's a lot of work, and I haven't really gotten much past there yet. I suggest you read WP:TRANSLATION and its Spanish version and Wikipedia:Translate us and seek other hands to help. At this point you can probably post the article on the assumption that it will be legible. But I can't certify yet that it sensibly conveighs what the English article does, since that requires detailed, sentence by sentence work. It's not just a question of the conjugations, but of understanding the underlying meaning of the English and expressing the same ideas idiomatically in Spanish. I'll give it some time tomorrow and let you know if I think it's okay to post once I have compared more of it in detail to the English. μηδείς (talk) 05:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I went ahead and posted it to the mainspace. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Another user went ahead and helped fix up the translation :) - Anyhow, on the Spanish name for Texas State Board of Dental Examiners, I had gotten it from http://www.senate.state.tx.us/75s/senate/members/dist27/pr03/p052803a.htm which says "Junta Estatal de Examinadores de Dentistas" - Doing a site search on *.tx.us, I found the state government doesn't translate it as "Junta Estatal de Inspectores de Dentistas" - instead it uses "Junta Estatal de Examinadores de Dentistas" - He had changed it to "Inspectores de Dentistas" - Is it technically correct to use "Examinadores de Dentistas"? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

If that's what they call themselves, that's what they call themselves. I'd be loathe to change an institution's own name for itself if they have published one, even if a "better" translation is available. Speaking of which, how goes it with todas las sonrisas versus todo sonriente. The former is definitely a bad translation. Where did you get it from, them, or your own work/Google translator? If you don't have a source, I'd use "todo sonriente" and, if necessary, put a note that literally "all smiles" is todas sonrisas, but that idiomatically it means "todo sonriente". μηδείς (talk) 21:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

"todas las sonrisas" was my own work. I interpreted "All Smiles" as "All of the smiles" - Since it's not from them, I'll go change it. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

are my sentences correct?

Hello there. Can someone here please check my sentences for any grammar errors. Thank you so much.

1.In this study, the method will be used to determine the disparity or agreement among the respondent's responses on the socio-economic profile, team emotional intelligence, which will also help analyze results that will be gathered for problems 1 and 2. 2.With regard to developing a safety culture, organizations that do not listen to their staff and by implication do not value them are not the type of organizations to promote an open culture, report and manage adverse incidents sensitively nor respond to a range of emotions generated by incidents. 3. Mahfoozpour and Mojdehjarz concluded that patient safety could be achieved through teamwork while safety climate can create a culture where errors are being reported properly and necessary actions are taken seriously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.209.88.53 (talk) 15:53, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I would re-write them as:

1. In this study, the method used will be determination of [note 1] the disparity or agreement between the respondents' responses [note 2] using the socio-economic profile, team emotional intelligence. This will also help in analyzing results that will be gathered for problems 1 and 2.
2. With regard to developing a safety culture, organizations that do not listen to their staff and, by implication, do not value them, are not the type of organizations to promote an open culture, report and manage adverse incidents sensitively or respond to the range of emotions generated by [such?] incidents.
3. Mahfoozpour and Mojdehjarz concluded that patient safety could be achieved through teamwork while a climate of safety can create a culture where errors are reported properly and necessary actions are taken. [note 3]

[note 1] I'm assuming this sentence describes the method you're using for the study. If not - if "the method" refers to how you're determining the degree of agreement - you need to make this explicit: "In this study, the chi-square [or whatever] method will be used to determine..."

[note 2] "respondents' responses" if you're analyzing all the respondents as a group, "each respondent's responses" if you're analyzing them individually. "respondent's answers" or "participant's responses" might be better, as it avoids repetition.

[note 3] I'd remove "seriously" if your conclusion is that management will actually do what's necessary. If your conclusion is that management will just determine what is necessary (without actually doing it), then "the need for action is taken seriously" might be better. Tevildo (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.209.113.253 (talk) 07:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

#1: "socio-economic profile, team emotional intelligence" needs more than a comma; it's not clear how these are related. They're not the same thing, so they shouldn't be in apposition. Is the question about correlations between respondents' measured team emotional intelligence and their socio-economic profile? If, on the other hand, it's about disparity or agreement within each of these two types of data, replace the comma with and — though that leaves a problem of parallelism: a subject can provide "responses on" a profile (in the sense of a questionnaire), but not on a team emotional intelligence.

#2 would hang together better, in my opinion, if stated positively: something like "A culture of safety, in which adverse incidents are reported consistently and the resulting emotions addressed with sensitivity, requires an organization that promotes an open culture by valuing and listening to its staff." Phrases like with regard to are vague, inviting the reader to guess how one thing (open culture) is related to another (safety culture). —Tamfang (talk) 09:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I interpreted them as being the same thing - "the socio-economic profile [that is called] team emotional intelligence." Replacing the words in brackets with a comma doesn't seem wrong to me (cf "This is my cat, Tiddles"), but if it's objectionable, how about "the team emotional intelligence socio-economic profile."? Noun stacks like this are common in scientific writing, unfortunately. Tevildo (talk) 12:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Where is this quote from

"But standing in water up to their knees three very unimportant little people where doing the best they could with an idea and that’s about all they had and I don’t know maybe that night these three people were making history but anyway what I’m telling to tell you folks here we are."

Where is this from and who said it originally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.110.65 (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It's from Get Up by the French group Chinese Man (article from French Wikipedia). I don't know who said it originally, but it sounds like an American politician. Tevildo (talk) 18:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like John Steinbeck, but he can actually speak English when he wants to. μηδείς (talk) 21:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It's from The Great American Broadcast (1941). It is Jack Oakie who delivers the quote in a final speech at the end of the movie. 45.155.27.166 (talk) 20:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)