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editThe Broken Treaty and Ireland's Path to Freedom - Redmond, Dillon, & Devlin
editI have asked at WP:RX, but I hope asking here as well will not be objected to, as not everyone who contributes here will see it there, and vice versa. I am looking for two very rare pamphlets/booklets relating to Lloyd George's efforts to answer the Irish Question in 1916:
- Redmond, John; Dillon, John; Devlin, Joseph (1916). The Broken Treaty. Lloyd George Proposals. Story of the Collapse. Irish Party’s Position defined by Messrs. Redmond, Dillon and Devlin.
- Redmond, John (1916). Ireland's Path to Freedom. Why Lloyd George's Proposals should be Accepted.
Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 04:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- @DuncanHill: Hi, in Bibliography of Irish History 1912-1921 p. 93, the first pamphlet is described as 55 pages 8vo, "Report of speeches in the HoC on July 24 and 31, 1916." These may be Proposed Settlement (from Sitting of 24 July 1916), and Chief Secretary Appointed (from Sitting of 31 July 1916).
- The second pamphlet is at Hathi Trust, but is US access only. You may have a VPN, or Google Chrome allows VPN extensions to get around this, eg CyberGhost. MinorProphet (talk) 19:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- See you already have #2, but Ireland's path to freedom is at archive in case anyone else is interested. The Broken Treaty has been digitized by google and i thought HathiTrust had all such? fiveby(zero) 21:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, Agersborg (1951). Three Songs. OCLC 1091071875. seems like it might have the actual content you are looking for. I don't have university HathiTrust access to take a look, but someone at RX will. fiveby(zero) 22:09, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- See you already have #2, but Ireland's path to freedom is at archive in case anyone else is interested. The Broken Treaty has been digitized by google and i thought HathiTrust had all such? fiveby(zero) 21:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- @MinorProphet: & @Fiveby: - Thanks. I had searched Archive.org with no luck, good to see Ireland's Path to Freedom is actually there. The Google page for The Broken Treaty is just a record of the work being known to Google, the absence of both snippets and search suggest it is one they haven't scanned (or it's one they don't want non-USians to read). Hathi don't have The Broken Treaty as far as I can tell, and they are often even less helpful to non-USians than Google Books are. I think The Broken Treaty contains material in addition to the HoC speeches, but without seeing it t is of course impossible to say. In my experience bibliographies, like library catalogues, are rarely as accurate or as informative as we would hope. DuncanHill (talk) 22:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- When i kept getting search hits for Three Songs by a Norwegian zoologist from Missouri i though google had scanned the wrong work by mistake. I guess some have diverse interests. Anyway: "Lloyd George Proposals", "Story of the Collapse", and "Irish Party’s Position defined by Messrs. Redmond, Dillon and Devlin" are there, but no hit on "Broken Treaty" so probably not the full pamphlet #1. fiveby(zero) 04:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- @MinorProphet: & @Fiveby: - Thanks. I had searched Archive.org with no luck, good to see Ireland's Path to Freedom is actually there. The Google page for The Broken Treaty is just a record of the work being known to Google, the absence of both snippets and search suggest it is one they haven't scanned (or it's one they don't want non-USians to read). Hathi don't have The Broken Treaty as far as I can tell, and they are often even less helpful to non-USians than Google Books are. I think The Broken Treaty contains material in addition to the HoC speeches, but without seeing it t is of course impossible to say. In my experience bibliographies, like library catalogues, are rarely as accurate or as informative as we would hope. DuncanHill (talk) 22:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Americans always late for every war
editWhy didn't the United States of America enter World War I until 1917 and World War II until December 1941 (3 and 2 years after Britian was fighting in both wars)? And what made it to enter the wars? 86.130.15.201 (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- 86.130.15.201 -- The United States had never directly intervened in Europe before 1917, and the Monroe Doctrine implied that the U.S. requested European powers not to meddle in the Western Hemisphere, and in turn would not meddle in Europe. George Washington advised the U.S. to beware of foreign entanglements. So that the more meaningful question is why the U.S. eventually did intervene in WW1, not why it didn't at first... AnonMoos (talk) 01:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- The U.S. entered WWII officially when it was attacked by Japan and then the Axis powers declared war on the U.S. Before that, U.S. allowed for supplying the combatants via Cash_and_carry_(World_War_II) and Lend-Lease so it was not totally just on the sidelines doing nothing. RudolfRed (talk) 01:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- See United States in World War I and American entry into World War I, which is much more complex than WW2. After the loss of American passengers in the sinking of the RMS Lusitania and the SS Arabic in 1915, President Woodrow Wilson made strenuous efforts to avoid war with Germany.[1] In March 1916 he threatened to sever diplomatic relations with Germany after a submarine sank the Sussex, an unarmed French boat, in the English Channel. With the Sussex pledge Germany agreed to suspend unrestricted submarine warfare. However, by the end of the year (with around 100 submarines in the Atlantic) the German High Command felt they could defeat Britain in a few months if they resumed submarine attacks, and notified the US of this intention in late January 1917. The US severed diplomatic relations a few days later. Anti-war senators prevented a law being passed to arm US merchant ships, so Wilson made an executive order to that effect. German submarines sank several US ships during March and April 1917. Furthermore, the British passed the decoded Zimmerman telegram to Wilson in February 1917, which promised German help to Mexico to regain its territories lost in the Mexican-American War. There was a growth of public and business opinion in favour of war. The Senate and House voted to declare war on Germany in early April 1917, and Austro-Hungary in December 1917. Historians are divided over Wilson's precise reasons for choosing war when he did. [2] Wilson organised a huge propaganda campaign, and in the end the US mobilsed far quicker than the German High Command had expected: the American Expeditionary Forces were a significant factor in Germany's defeat in 1918. MinorProphet (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- What if they gave a war and the Americans never came? —Tamfang (talk) 02:44, 23 January 2022 (UTC)