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August 12

Dawarism

In Disability and religion § Contemporary Islam there is a reference to 'dawarism' (a red link). I have failed to find substantial references to this online. Does it exist? Is it mis-spelt (eg darwinism)? What does it mean? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 11:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

"Dwarfism" might fit, although it's hardly a doctrine. HiLo48 (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Could it be Da'wah? This could make sense if you remove the comma before "due to the doctrine", i.e Despite the Qur'an's teachings on treating disabled people with respect due to the doctrine of Da'wah, some Muslims families report feelings of shame around having a disabled relative and refuse to allow a disabled person to participate in key aspects of Islam. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Possibly that comma should be there, and due to the doctrine of dawarism/Dawah is enclosed in parenthetical commas. But it's a bit ambiguous, and could be read as The Qur'an teaches treating disabled people with respect. However, due to the doctrine of dawarism/Dawah some Muslims families report feelings of shame around having a disabled relative and refuse to allow a disabled person to participate in key aspects of Islam, in which case Dawah makes no sense. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

In Arabic, "da`wah" means a missionary call, while "duwar" means vertigo or dizziness. I can't find that "dawar" means anything... AnonMoos (talk) 13:08, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

A possible clue: the reference originally was to "the colonialism doctrine of dawarism." 92.23.217.220 (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The text was introduced in this edit [1]. The same editor made a similar edit to Disability in Saudi Arabia a few weeks later: [2] including the text "this is connected to colonialism and darwinism ideology and not from Islam". I have removed the text in question from these two articles. --Amble (talk) 16:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. The latter edit was at least referenced, but I cannot get a connection to the URL smj.org.sa to see what it says. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 19:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The edit was placed in front of a pre-existing cite tag, but there doesn't seem to be anything like that in the source. --Amble (talk) 21:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Transcript of papl bull

I'm looking for a transcription (or better yet, an English translation) of the papal bull that anulled the original 1215 Magna Carta, Bulla Innocentii Papae III pro rege Johanne, contra barones (Aug. 24, 1215). THe document is available at the British Library's online collection:

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-papal-bull-annulling-magna-carta

Commentary on whether the bull was, or is now, considered an "Ex Cathedra" statement would also be helpful, but I'm primarily interested in the text. For what it's worth, might be a good article or maybe something to add to the Magna Carta article.2601:601:9D00:10:18CD:66B3:B49E:136A (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

You can find both a transcription and a translation here: [3]. --Amble (talk) 18:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks. 2601:601:9D00:10:18CD:66B3:B49E:136A (talk) 19:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

There’s nothing in the text to mark something as ex cathedra as it does not mark any definition of doctrine with respect to faith or morals. In any event, the concept of papal infallibility would not have been one widely recognized, if at all, at the time of Innocent’s bull in 1215 as the thirteenth century is the earliest time frame that most scholars accept the concept as being promulgated with the fourteenth century being a more likely timeframe for the idea to spread (and as you may know, papal infallibility was not formally declared until the first Vatican Council in the nineteenth century). D A Hosek (talk) 21:38, 15 August 2022 (UTC)