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December 10

Thoughts of the Iraqi, Iranian, and Afghan Communists on the "ethnic/nationality question"?

What were the thoughts of the Iraqi, Iranian, and Afghan Communists on the ethnic/nationality question? Futurist110 (talk) 03:31, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

For the classic Marxist interpretation of the "ethnic/nationality question", see Bourgeois nationalism. I have no idea how specific individuals in Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan who self-identify as Communists would treat the issue, but insofar as "Communism" as a field of thought has generally treated the issue, that article may help frame the concept in historical context for you. For a uniquely Soviet perspective on the issue, see Marxism and the National Question, Stalin's treatise on the issue. --Jayron32 16:37, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Yep, I previously saw Stalin's article in regards to this. It was quite interesting. I do wonder whether the Communist Parties that I mentioned above ever had their full party platforms published--with such party platforms being accessible online nowadays? For instance, did they support the ethnic federalization of their countries? Futurist110 (talk) 20:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

You can read these articles about the views of some Iranian Communist parties concerning federalism: On Federalism and Nationalities for a Federal Iran. Omidinist (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Interesting; thank you! Do you also have any links for Iraq and/or Afghanistan? Futurist110 (talk) 22:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

For some reason, I had been blocked yesterday. Anyways, I'm sorry that I can't help more, because it takes much time. Have a good day. Omidinist (talk) 01:04, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

There are no entries in your block log. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about a 1902 Danish parliamentary vote

In this Wikipedia article: Treaty of the Danish West Indies – it is mentioned that the Landsting (as in, the upper house of the Danish parliament) refused to sell the Danish West Indies (now the United States Virgin Islands) to the United States of America in a 32-32 tie vote, with one abstention. However, based on the information that I gathered from the Danish Wikipedia with the help of Google Translate, the Landsting actually had 66 members during this time. In turn, this raises the question--what exactly happened to the other member of the Landsting? After all, 32 + 32 + 1 = 65, which is one less than 66. Also, who exactly was this other member?

Also, as a separate question, who exactly was the Landsting member who abstained from this vote? Do we know why exactly they abstained from this vote? Unfortunately, I don't actually personally speak Danish, hence me asking this question (about this topic) on here. Indeed, does anyone on here actually speak fluent Danish? Futurist110 (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

@Futurist110: I'm Danish but haven't found an answer, only lots of sources mentioning the tie, and a story about a member who did vote. 12 members were appointed for life by the king (eventually by the government in practice). They didn't always show up when they got old. The 96-year old Thyge de Thygeson was fetched from Jutland in an ambulance and carried in on a stretcher to vote against, creating the tie which stopped the sale. He was appointed in 1868 and died as a member in 1905. An 83-year old was also fetched by ambulance. One member was chosen by the Løgting in the Faroe Islands. They sometimes abstain but I don't know whether it happened here. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:50, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Does Denmark have anything comparable to the Congressional Record and/or the United States House Journal? As in, some kind of publication which would allow one to see the names of who exactly voted on every piece of legislation ever (even 100+ years ago) and how exactly they voted on it. Futurist110 (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@Futurist110: It may have been in Rigsdagstidende which was supposed to get online archives in 2020 but now the plan is 2021.[1] Folketingstidende has online archives since the current 1953 constitution where the Landsting was abolished. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: So, I should contact you in one year about this topic? Futurist110 (talk) 02:26, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Futurist110: You can try. No promises. You can also keep track of [2] which currently says "Rigsdagstidende forventes at være tilgængelig her på siden i 2021" (Rigsdagstidende is expected to be available here in 2021). PrimeHunter (talk) 07:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks; will do! Also, I have a question for you: Do you think that Denmark would have ever actually sold the Danish West Indies to the United States of America had World War I never actually occurred at all? Futurist110 (talk) 03:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@Futurist110: I don't know. USA was willing to pay more because of the war. They had not enterd the war yet but were afraid Germany would get the islands. That may have been decisive at the time but I suspect it would have happened later anyway. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2020 (UTC)