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Songs against religions/Gods

Music and religion go way back. Zillions of songs praising/loving some God. What about the other way - e.g. a song that says "no thanks" or even "fuck you" to all that? One good example is Jesus (don't) want me for a sunbeam, covered by Nirvana here [1]. Another is Lordy Lordy by The Distillers, here [2]. A perhaps debatable illustrative candidate is Plastic Jesus, covered by The Flaming Lips here [3].

So: any further references/examples of songs that are fairly explicitly anti-god or anti-religion? I'm fine with broad interpretations here, can be any God, any religion, any language or time period. Thanks! SemanticMantis (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

a problem, of course, is that actually addressing God in a song suggests the person believes in God...so it's highly unlikely they'd dare insult God etc..so there's going to be far, far, far less songs in this vain...and aiming songs at a particular religion on the other hand would just seem sort of odd for the most part..like a song titled "Screw the Lutheran Church."68.48.241.158 (talk) 16:45, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Imagine by John Lennon. The relevant lyrics:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky

StuRat (talk) 17:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

The Preacher and the Slave. Category:Songs critical of religion. -- BenRG (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

@BenRG: Aha! That's the category I thought should exist but couldn't find, thanks! Still interested in any other suggestions. SemanticMantis (talk) 17:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

@SemanticMantis: I've added "Blasphemous Rumours" to that Category. And, given Black metal's anti-Christianity, most Category:Black metal songs. jnestorius^(talk) 23:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jnestorius: cool, thanks! I like Depeche Mode but was a little too young to catch that one when it came out. One of these days I want to get in to WP category wrangling but I'm a little concerned that I would fall down a rabbit hole and never return :) SemanticMantis (talk) 23:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Have a look here for the top 10 atheist songs - http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=370 - or just Google "atheist songs" and browse through the large number of sites which come up. 81.132.106.10 (talk) 17:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

The "What if God Was One of Us ?" lyrics always seemed to be satirizing God, to me, with lines like:

 Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe, in Rome

StuRat (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

While it doesn't mention God specifically, Big Rock Candy Mountain presents a "bum's paradise" version of heaven, complete with a whiskey lake and cigarette tree, which does seem to rather mock religion. StuRat (talk) 17:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Why so? At least once, Jesus thought we needed more wine. Rmhermen (talk) 20:13, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Bob Lind The Saints Had It Easy. Bus stop (talk) 22:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Taking of Pelham 123 (2009 movie)

When Camonetti spoke to Ryder for the 1st time, the [Audience including Us] knew that Ryder [seriously specifically threatened] to kill the Motorman if Garber did not return.

1. Why didn't Camonetti call for Garber immediately?

2. Don't anyone Try to Tell me that Camonetti is Innocent, so Isn't it True that Camonetti is Stupid for Unintentionally causing the Motorman to Die?(67.187.181.37 (talk) 18:18, 6 May 2016 (UTC)).

Are you asking us to speculate on the motives of fictional characters? Unfortunately, the only possible answer is "because that's the way they wrote it". That's what fiction is. --Jayron32 19:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I think the questioner is unsure whether (a) the apparent gap is an actual plot hole or (b) there is some valid explanation mentioned or hinted at in the script which the questioner didn't notice or (c) there was some valid explanation in the source novel / 1974 movie / 1998 movie / draft cut of the 2009 movie that didn't make the final released version. I haven't seen the movie, but on the face of it, Jayron32's snide response "that's the way they wrote it" may well be wrong. jnestorius^(talk) 09:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Life of Jesus - Bible/Film Differences

Which one of six films about the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ featured all events of the Bible? King of Kings, The Greatest Story Ever Told, Jesus (1979), The Visual Bible: Matthew, The Gospel of John or Son of God.

Events include: • Jesus’s mother impregnated by God. • Star of Bethlehem. • The Last Supper. • Judas kissing Jesus. • Jesus saying ‘Judas, you betray me with a kiss?’ • Judas committing suicide by hanging. • Caiaphas asking Jesus if he is the Son of God and Jesus says ‘I am.’ • Caiaphas tearing his robe in anger and accusing Jesus of blasphemy. • Jesus being beaten or tortured. • Jesus wearing the Crown of thorns. • Jesus seeing his mother while carrying the cross. • A woman wiping Jesus’ face. • Jesus getting tired of carrying the cross and falling down a few times. • Two convicts talking to Jesus while crucified. • The resurrected Jesus telling his friends that he is with them always. Even until the end of the world or time. • Jesus ascended into Heaven. 86.169.72.176 (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Are you still expecting us to watch the movies for you and report on this? You know of the existence of all of these movies. You know of the existence of the Bible. You have the capability to watch all of these movies and/or read plot synopses from Wikipedia articles and/or IMDB articles. There is literally nothing anyone here can do for you. Just watch the movies or read about them yourself, and compare them to the Bible yourself. You're allowed to think for yourself and reach your own conclusions. --Jayron32 18:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

also, can someone please explain all the differences between all of these movies..?? :) 68.48.241.158 (talk) 19:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

You can, if you watch them yourself or read articles about them, as you've been told. --Jayron32 19:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm a different IP..that was a joke referring to earlier "questions".. :P 68.48.241.158 (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

For one thing, they may well have been filmed on different kinds of film stock. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

this is a good start. please continue to explain all of the other differences. 68.48.241.158 (talk) 02:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Different cast and crew, different film studios, different locations, etc. And don't forget the Monty Python version of the Last Supper, featuring 28 disciples and 3 Christs.[4] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

gosh, there certainly are lots of differences..I suspect they may have even used different catering services on set..??68.48.241.158 (talk) 11:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

For the Last Supper, they all used Moishe's Kosher Deli. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:43, 7 May 2016 (UTC)