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I've listed this article for peer review because it has been up for a "featured article" nomination several times and has been denied. I have extensive knowledge of this movie and its production and I would like to help this article achieve its goal of a "featured article".

I have been looking over the Talk page and I noticed many submissions and clean-up has been done since this article was last nominated.

What I really want is more input from other editors as to how we can improve this article. I believe it really stands out, but Im sure it could use some minor work to top it off.

Let us know what you think guys.


Thanks, DrNegative (talk) 07:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lion King copyedit edit

No problem on the copyedit—I'm just finishing up a couple other projects. I should be able to get started right away, but you probably won't see any edits until tomorrow. Today will just be analysis and note-taking. I look forward to seeing The Lion King pass its FA review. --AnnaFrance (talk — blunders) 14:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review part 1 - Issues largely resolved, Sillyfolkboy
    • Is there a need to bold the actors who voiced the characters in the list section?
    • Ensure all corresponding instances of The Lion King are correctly placed in italics.
      • Double checked article and replaced 2 instances of this that I could find. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Lead
      • Do you have a source which confirms that the idea "Disney Renaissance" exists and that this movie is a part of it?
        • Removed this statement until we can verify that the Renaissance actually exist. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can you explain how Bambi influenced The Lion King?
    • Production
      • "The Lion King was once considered a secondary project to Pocahontas, both of which were in production at the same time" both of is redundant here.
      • "This animated film was created and recorded at a studio in Burbank, California." Source? Also, "This animated film" is a little clumsy.
        • Fixed and added more info to its production locations. Cited info. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • No caps needed for "chief operating officer". Also, any sources for his death and the tribute statement?
      • I seem to remember that the extensive use of 3D animation (especially the wildebeest scene) was significant at the time; was this the first time it was used in a feature length Disney cartoon (or similar)?
    • Reaction
      • I think the Rotten Tomatoes currently 92% info will date quickly. Can this be framed an alternate way? e.g. Scored/scores very highly on the Rotten Tomatoes scale?
      • I think "Mixed reaction" seems to overstate the fact that it was criticised. Should state something like: Lion King was praised and given a "thumbs up" but was said to be not on par with B&B, stating it was "a good film not a great one" Or something to that effect.
        • Added to existing reviews and clarified a little. Could still use more input. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Perhaps a couple more reviews could help here, or expansion of currently cited ones: e.g. why was Lion King an "almost daunting achievement"? What was the reasoning behind this comment?
    • Box office
      • Is the initial gross needed in the box? After all, this is fully explained in the following passage. Do any other films only rank on initial box office sales or something?
        • Removed initial gross from box since its explained in following paragraph. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Source for "fourth highest grossing animated film"? Also - how can this be the fourth top grossing animated feature film AND the most successful animated feature film? Which is it?
        • Re-did wording and clarified. Added a source. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Awards
      • Perhaps have an introductory statement in the section - explaining what parts of the film were most critically acclaimed (i.e. best animated film awards and music awards - esp. "Can you Feel the Love Tonight" by EJ and TR). Then follow with the list.
      • Convert bare external links in the list section into references.
      • Change American Film Institute award to a listing type to fit in with style (i.e. remove prose).
        • Edited and moved to reaction section since it was a poll. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Music
      • Why are the songs bolded?
      • In the Disney compilations is it really key information to say which disc they feature? Just say they are on the compilation collection.
        • Edited and moved to different section more appropiate. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • List a couple of awards or critical remarks about the soundtrack - don't over do the info, it should summarise the main article.
        • Added detail of success on Billboard chart. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sources needed for 1st and 3rd paragraphs of "Sequels and spin-offs". 2nd para is self evident really so that's fine.
      • "The Platinum Edition of The Lion King was criticized by fans mainly for its false advertising" Mainly is redundant here as no other criticism is listed.
      • Expand CES 2008 to the Consumer Electronics Show 2008.

That's enough to work with for now.

If these problems are all dealt with I may post more suggestions to improve the article.

If you found this peer review helpful please consider doing one yourself. Choose one from the backlog, where i found this article or take a look at WP:Peer Review.

Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 03:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Parts 2 edit

  • Characters
    • I'd rephrase the sentence about the voicings of Simba while singing. It's not too clear that Joseph Williams was his adult singing voice. Try something like Simba's singing parts demanded further voice actors, Jason Weaver furnishing him with a singing voice as a cub, and Joseph Williams as an adult
    • A bit nit picky but - Do we have any proof that Scar's scar is a battle wound? I can't remember him explaining its origin in the film. Maybe try "named for his disfiguring wound"?
    • For the hyenas - the phrase "second-in-commands" is a bit clunky - can you find a better phrasing for this?
  • Production
    • Try adding this citation for the bambi animal study info.
    • "Using computers helped the filmmakers present their vision in new ways." I would rephrase this as "The use of computers..."
    • Add wikilink to "Be Prepared" song
    • Can we have a cite for the Pocahontas gross for comparison? Only rotten tomatoes reviews are linked in the final sentence.
  • Reaction
    • I would change the AFI list to "10 Top 10", as a quotation from the source.
    • More citation will be needed for the "box office performance" figures - those numbers must be coming from somewhere (or does the worldwide citation cover them all?
    • "The Lion King held the record for the most successful animated feature film in history" - Note how "in history" is redundant - maybe rephrase as "LK was the most successful animated feature film until..."
    • Also, does this mean highest grossing or something else here? Just "successful" is a little ambiguous. If it is grossing; start the inflation sentence with However, when adjusted for inflation....
  • Soundtrack
    • The final sentence refers to a bootleg of the score with extra material that didn't make the official release. Maybe this should be made clear, like: "A bootleg release entitled Lion King (Expanded Score - no FX) featured unreleased instrumental material from Hans Zimmer's original score". Their appearance on EBay is not so important as I think this happens with most bootleg releases from time to time. Plus, the phrase "long lost" is a little untrue as Disney probably had it in their archives all this time anyway.
  • Spin offs
    • "Also debuted in 1995 was a spin-off television series called The Lion King's Timon and Pumbaa which focused on the titular meerkat and warthog duo in a more modern, human world than the film's" Rephrase to "A spin-off television series called The Lion King's Timon and Pumbaa, which focused on the titular meerkat and warthog duo in a more modern, human world than the film's, also debuted in 1995"
    • Any wikilinks for the characters Kiara and Kovu?
    • "perspective of Timon and Pumbaa as well as some background on these two characters" Rephrase to "perspective of Timon and Pumbaa and providing background on the duo."
    • The final paragraph here seems to be in bits and pieces - can this be rewritten too?
  • Home video
    • Wikilink lithograph and epigraph and Dolby 5.1 (Disney Theater mix if possible).
  • Musical
    • Try summarising a little of the info in the main article - e.g. worldwide productions, featuring actors in animal costumes, uses songs from the soundtrack, some changes to scene/plot/character and finding citations for the Tony awards. No need to go overboard here though, just a short paragraph.
      • Added short paragraph with a little more info. DrNegative (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Controversies
    • "Other parallels include that most characters in Kimba have an analogue in The Lion King and that various individual scenes are nearly identical in composition and camera angle." Any proof of this?
    • "Early production artwork on the film's Platinum Edition DVD even depicts a white lion, but later it was found to be Taka, a lion that was to be in the film but was cut short (Taka was later revealed to have been Scar's birth name)." Split into two sentences and align citation.
  • Video Games
    • "The NES version, however, was only released in Europe, and was not identical to the SNES version." This is a little strange because I imagine all of these games are slightly different from each other anyway - I know the SNES and genesis versions are a bit different from first hand experience. Perhaps reduce this to the fact that the NES version was a Europe only release(?)
    • Is the second game based on this movie or a later sequel?
    • Find citations for the kingdom hearts info - I'm sure there are plenty of game reviews that might mention this kind of thing.
    • This looks like original research and should be removed: "Zazu is absent from the game entirely, though this may be to prevent any confusion between zazu and a disguised Donald Duck (Donald is disguised as a zazu-like bird in the level)"
  • Template
    • Is the template listing The Lion King as an adaptation of Hamlet really necessary? Maybe expand the info on the connection between the two to justify this.
  • References
    • Please be aware - All references to IMDB will be challenged at FA - There are suggestions that it is an insider wiki and it is not always reliable.
    • When listing a publisher only books, journals, periodicals and newspapers (such as International Herald Tribune) should be in italics. Websites such as Rotten Tomatoes and BBC should be left in plain script.
    • Try wikilinking publishers where possible - Though this is more of a matter of style than policy.
    • Ensure all dates are listed for links that have publication dates (and authors where possible).
    • Refs 35 to 40 will also be questioned at FA - "Be Prepared"...to find new ones :)

That's it. I hope these suggestions were helpful. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 15:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you found this peer review helpful please consider doing one yourself. Choose one from the backlog, where i found this article or take a look at WP:Peer Review.

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