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List of current NCAA Division I FBS football coaches

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I've listed this article for peer review because I need it to meet the requirements for a Featured Topic. The lead is a little short, but I don't know what further details from the list to provide in the lead without including info in the lead that is not in the list. This list is naturally unstable due to the constant turnover in the college football profession.

Thanks.»NMajdan·talk 23:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Quick comments

• If it's a head coaches list, why is is organized by conference and secondarily by school. Shouldn't it be listed by coach since that's what the list is? If it were to stay in the current format, the list should be moved to List of current NCAA Division I FBS football coaches by conference (similar to List of Florida universities by admission rates). It should then be divided by adding sections by conference. If not, the list should be reorganized with the first column listing coaches, then conference, school, etc.
  • A couple reasons. First, the list began as a series of tables for each conference. I combined them into one and added sort functionality. So, the conference sorting is left over from that. Second, there is such a high turnover of coaches every year, constantly resorting it would be an unnecessary burden. I actually prefer it this way for those reasons.»NMajdan·talk
• Some of the teams with multiple coordinators have forward slashes. I remember in one of my FLCs that slashes shouldn't be used. Maybe "and" instead?
  • I will make this change.»NMajdan·talk
• Since there are only three independent schools, why not list them. Everything after "...however, the head coach will sometimes assume one of these roles as well." is redundant already so why not pad the lead with some more names and facts.
  • I do not want to treat the independent schools any differently than the other conferences. I don't see how listing the conferences in the lead is redundant.»NMajdan·talk
• Maybe add some color the conference entries?
  • I do not see why that is needed.»NMajdan·talk

Just some quick thoughts. NThomas (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Finetooth comments: The lead needs copyediting, and it would be a good idea to have someone proofread all the other parts. I've noted a few proofing errors below. The article title has one too many words.

• "List of current NCAA Division I FBS football coaches" could be shortened to "List of NCAA Division I FBS football coaches" without changing the meaning. "Current" has no stable meaning because it identifies no particular time. At the moment I am writing this, it means "May 2010" more-or-less, and in June it will mean "June 2010" more-or-less. In 2011 it will have other meanings, and so on.
  • I don't fully understand this. "Current" means as of right now. Removing it and using "List of NCAA Division I FBS football coaches" to me would mean a list of all coaches ever.»NMajdan·talk

Lead

• "The National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (I FBS) is compromised of 120 teams." - Not "compromised". Maybe "consists of" or "includes"?
  • I think it was supposed to be "comprised of", not "compromised of", nevertheless that, too, is incorrect. Fixed.»NMajdan·talk
• "All schools except three are a member... " - "All schools ... are members... ".
  • Fixed.»NMajdan·talk
• "22 coaches will have their first season... " - The Manual of Style advises against starting a sentence with digits. "Twenty-two coaches... " would be correct.
  • Fixed.»NMajdan·talk
• "Joe Paterno, currently the longest tenured head coach at the NCAA Division I FBS level." - Three problems. I would replace "currently" here with "as of 2010". I'd add a hyphen to "longest-tenured"; otherwise the meaning might be that Paterno is the longest coach, parallel to "longest fish" or "longest car". The terminal period should be deleted since the caption is not a complete sentence.
  • Fixed.»NMajdan·talk

Other

• Would it make the list more useful to add won-lost records for the coaches?
  • That introduces a lot of complexity into the list for not much gain. That would require updating it for 120 coaches every year not to mention those that would try to edit it during the season. I can definitely foresee some being updated every week during the season, but not others, causing a definitely problem. The coaches records are simply one click away.»NMajdan·talk
• The image needs alt text, meant for readers who can't see the images. WP:ALT has details.
  • Not a requirement for FL/FA anymore, but doing one image isn't hard. Done.»NMajdan·talk
• The dab-finder tool at the top of this review page finds one link that goes to a disambiguation page instead of the intended target.
  • Fixed.»NMajdan·talk

I hope these few suggestions prove helpful. Finetooth (talk) 18:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks.»NMajdan·talk 15:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)