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El Chico Del Apartamento 512

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I've listed this article for peer review because, even though the article is only 11,392 bytes, I believe the article can be promoted to a GA status. I've looked and searched for an entire month (April 30 - May 22) for sources. Not one of her signature songs, but still liked by many. If anyone can give me sources, I am willing to expand it further. This is my sixth Selena article that I helped expand from a STUB CLASS to a "C" or higher :)

Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 23:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on Selena articles, unfortunately I do not think this meets notability criteria. Here are some more details on that and some suggestions for improvement.

• I worry that this article does not meet the notability criteria. WP:NSONGS says in part All articles on albums, singles or songs must meet the basic criteria at the notability guidelines, with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
• There are only 15 references in the article. Ref 1 is to a one page of a book on Selena, so that is good, but the requirement is for significant coverage in reliable sources (so plural, more than one). Ref 2 is to AMG but it is a page about the whole album and just lists the tracks and their running times and has a little check mark by this song that it is one of three track picks.
• Every other reference (3 to 15) is to material that is not independent of the song - either the album credits or the amazon.com pages for versions in different countries or the existence of various cover versions.
• For the sake of argument, let's say the song is notable. The article needs a lot of work. For one thing, watch WP:OVERLINKing - as one example A.B. Quintanilla III is linked seven times in a very short article (including twice in the lead!)
• Needs a ref: The single was released the day before the murder of Selena, which jeopardize any further development of a music video.
• The English is somewhat better than some of the articles on Selena and her music that I have peer reviewed recently, but it is still rough in lots of places. Three examples follow:
  • In the quote above it should be "jeopardized" (which is a little odd as verbs go).
  • Was this her final performance ever as an artist (sorry :( ) or just of this song? Also missing words Her final performance [of the song?] was on March 14, 1995 during her concert [at the] Calle Ocho Festival in Miami, Florida, which attracted over 100,000 fans.[1]
  • The song's lyrics describes about a women who seeks out for true love, while, along the way men who aren't Selena's "type of guy" tries to approach her. would be grammatical as something like The song's lyrics describe a women who seeks true love, while men who are not her type try to approach her.
• The "Critical reception and chart performance" section is a real mess. First off it includes nothing by any independent critics, just unsourced statements from Selena's brother and her keyboardist which need a ref.
• Second, the statement from her brother is basically a repeat of what is already in the Background and composition section (that this is a Cumbia song). Avoid needless repetition.
• Third, despite the section title, there is nothing on chart performance in this section (if the song had charted, that would help establish notability).
• I have already said that I have my doubts on the "every cover ever made" approach to singles in a previous PR, and would only include notable or ones by covers by notable bands
• Track listing needs refs and the length does not match that given in the AMG ref.
• Here is my advice - get to a library and look up print sources on Selena. Books, biographies, magazine articles, etc. My guess is that since this was the song released right before her tragic death and that since her murder was covered widely in the press and there have been multiple books on her, there may be some things that are not on Google out there that might help save this article. I will not nominate this for deletion, but if it were at WP:AfD in its current state I would !vote to delete for lack of notability.
• Not sure the sound clip meets WP:NFCC either
• Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree about the whole notable thing. However, I'm not the one who created the page, I wouldn't even create a new page about Selena if the single or song didn't chart, hence "Missing My Baby", which peaked at #22 on the Rhythmic charts [1], isn't even created, yet. Before I had fixed this article, there were three charts that it supposedly peaked at [2]. But I searched Billboard, Rovi, and Allmusic and none of these backed this claim up. Billboard has removed some of Selena's peak positions, but if I can't find it on Billboard itself, where else can I find this? I'll go and look for more sources, however, if we both can agree that this articles isn't all that notable, within time, we can merge this to Amor Prohibido, an article I'm currently expanding, similar to what I did with Dreaming of You. Thanks for your comments, greatly appreciated. AJona1992 (talk) 20:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)