Wikipedia:Peer review/Daytona USA/archive1

Daytona USA

I've listed this article for peer review because I feel like this could be FA-level material, but the more I keep looking at it, the more I feel it needs a fresh set of eyes. I haven't written many articles on video games themselves, so I could use a fresh look to determine what I'd need for this to be FAC-worthy, and if it is not, what it would take to make this article the best it can be. Pinging @Popcornfud: as someone who can and is usually willing to help with copyediting.

Thanks, Red Phoenix ^talk 03:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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• As it happens I've already poked this article a bit recently, so I'd be happy to do a sweep in the next day or two. If I don't, it just means I've forgotten because I'm poorly organised and easily distracted, so feel free to ping me again. Popcornfud (talk) 03:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @Popcornfud: - copy editing question for you. I didn’t slip it in because I knew it would be very wordy if I did it, but is there a way in an encyclopedic form to note that Sega Enterprises USA was specifically the American arcade division? It’s not to be confused with Sega of America, the much more well known console division. Red Phoenix ^talk 17:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Took a shot at this. Popcornfud (talk) 18:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

@Indrian: I feel like I may be missing part of the story here. As you are a historian of video games, could you read this over and see if I’m missing anything? Thank you. Red Phoenix ^talk 17:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

• Sure. It may take a little bit just because of the holidays (such as they are in 2020), but I will definitely take a peek. Indrian (talk) 18:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you! No worries on the amount of time you need; I'm not in any hurry on this one. Red Phoenix ^talk 03:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

• Reading through this I would have to comment that the reception section, if suitable sources can be found, should probably include some detail on the reception to the soundtrack. The detail on the soundtrack in the development section seems adequate, but given the lead says it was praised for its soundtrack I find it notable that the reception section barely mentions the audio aspects of the game at all, let alone noting details about the music. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

SandyGeorgia

• You can install User:GregU/dashes.js to keep your dashes in order.
• You can install User:Evad37/duplinks-alt to check for WP:OVERLINKing (I noticed multiple instances).
• Please add the parameter |trans-title= to citation templates to add a translated title on non-English sources so our readers will have an idea what the source is about.
• Please be aware of MOS:SANDWICH.
• Have you had a look at the excellent essay at WP:RECEPTION?
• In a 2002 report, Sega said it was one of the most successful arcade games of all time. ... the "all time" mentions in the lead need to be qualified with an "as of" date ... is this still true? These statements are later cited to a 2015 source; that is still five years old, and we need to know if it is still current information.

  Considering coin operated arcade cabinets have now largely been supplanted by home video game consoles a 2015 source will almost certainly still be up to date, especially with regards to that sort of information. It's not quite on the level of saying that a source from twenty years ago would be appropriate for a statement like "more of this model of steam locomotive were produced than any other", but it's getting there. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 02:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

  As of dates would still help. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• Don't make a reader click out to understand the context of jargon ... Inspired by the popularity of NASCAR in the U.S., ... give some idea of what NASCAR stands for, even if it is just to mention car racing. Ditto for Sega AM2 ... that is jargon in the lead; the full name should be spelled out on first occurrence with the acronym in parens.

  So far as I can tell "Sega AM2" is the name of the company and it doesn't stand for anything. "NASCAR" is a backronym (possibly a portmanteau of "NASA" and "car" but don't quote me on that) where the "CAR" part stands for "Car Automobile Racing" and the full name is almost never used. I agree that "the popularity of the NASCAR motor racing series" or something along those lines would be more appropriate wording however. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

  Checked a bit further, the "AM" in "Sega AM2" appears to stand for "amusement machines" but this doesn't seem to have ever been a formal part of the name of the organisation. If someone can find a suitable source this could possibly be added as an explanatory footnote, but I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to say in the main prose that the "AM" stands for "amusement machines" when that isn't the actual name of the organisation. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

  Sega AM2 gives a name. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

  It does, but the name given which seems to be relevant to the time that Daytona USA was developed is "SEGA-AM2 Co., Ltd", which isn't any more helpful to readers. perhaps changing the wording to "published by Sega and developed by the company's AM2 division" or something to that effect might be clearer. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• The term "Model 2" is used before it is explained; it is linked further down in the article than when it is first used, so the uninitiated reader does not know what it is. Model 1 needs explanation as well.

  I believe the Model 1 was Sega's first coin operated arcade game system with 3D graphics, while the Model 2 was their second. If someone can find good sources for this information and add it into the article I would agree that that would make the information easier to understand. The source included for the relevant related information in this article is a book which I can't access but if someone does have a copy and that information is included it may be possible to use that source. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• Why the quotes? According to aggregator Metacritic, the Xbox 360 version received "generally favorable reviews" and the PlayStation 3 version received "mixed" reviews.
• 1Up.com's Ray Barnholt was mixed, ... the person is mixed ?

  Agree that this didn't make very much sense, and reading through the referenced source I'm not sure how relevant it was. Changed the wording to be clearer and more concise for now. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• Daytona USA is often considered one of the best games of all time. ... is followed by a string of statements to dated sources.
• A MOS:LQ review is needed.

Not a gamer, hope this little bit helps, good luck ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC)