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Cork Courthouse, Washington Street

I've listed this article for peer review because I'd like to know how I can improve this article to hopefully get it up to Good Article status

Thanks, Xx78900 (talk) 14:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Comments by Zetana

I'm really sorry for getting to this late, there's been a lot going on lately so I haven't managed to have time until now. Overall I'd say the article is pretty complete, and I don't see any major missing components. I have some content-related comments below, but I can also provide a more detailed prose review afterward. Zetana (talk) 07:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

1. I see from some architecture FAs that there is sometimes a brief section about the building's location, for example Pyramid of Unas § Location and excavation. Bramshill House § Location is perhaps a bit excessive, but I think there should be at least a sentence or two somewhere in the body (besides the lede) about where the courthouse is located. It looks like Washington Street, Cork has some notable information, so perhaps something along the lines of Cork Courthouse is located on Washington Street, a street in central Cork, Ireland. It is adjacent to [X and Y Notable Buildings]; the St Augustine's Catholic Church is on the same street, 100ft south is what I'm thinking of. Just to give the reader some idea of where it is.

   That's a good tip, thank you.

2. As a result, most surviving primary sources relating to the history of the courthouse tend to have partisan biases. This part is a bit confusing for me to read, particularly as it implies the lost records were non-partisan. I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well, but if you read that sentence without As a result perhaps you will see what I mean. Secondly, though the surviving records are partisan, why is that important? How did that affect how historians interpreted contemporary records of the courthouse's history, or something along those lines?

   Hm. I mean... yeah, you're right. I think the sources I've read have just... said that and not expanded on it. I recreated it, but I really don't know why it's relevant. I'll have another look to see if maybe I skimmed over the explanation of the relevance.

3. A competition for design was held in 1830... Could some more currency conversions (besides the £22,000 (equal to roughly €3.4 million in 2021) at the end) be provided here for the premiums/contract payment? In similar fashion, The eventual cost of rebuilding was £27,000 later on in the "19th century" section.

   That shouldn't be an issue, I'll add those shortly.

4. Is there any additional information on the fire itself? What caused it, how was it put out, what was used as a replacement for the courthouse while it was being rebuilt, etc.

   There is actually yes, I'll add it.  Done

5. Unlike the rest of the building, the original portico survived the fire. Is it that only the portico survived the fire, or that parts of the building, including the portico, survived?

   Yes, the portico is all that survived the fire, every other part of the building was replaced.

6. The courthouse was closed in 1999 due to its poor condition. What was used as a replacement courthouse while it was being refurbished?

   That's a good question, I have no idea! I'll see if I can find out.  Done

7. Although criminal cases have been heard at the new Anglesea Street courthouse since May 2018, civil cases continue to be heard in Washington Street. This sentence is a bit confusing, because it wasn't established before that the courthouse served specifically criminal and/or civil cases. In the sense that it's implied, that's alright (since it's a courthouse), however I'd like to clarify if this means that a) civil and criminal cases were heard at Cork Courthouse before its 1999 closure, and b) after re-opening, criminal cases were transferred to Anglesea Street courthouse?

   Yes to both. The courthouse on Washington Street was previously the courthouse in Cork, and heard both civil and criminal cases, and after re-opening, criminal cases were transferred to the new courthouse. Do you think I should change this?

   Perhaps just a sentence at the start of History ("heard both") and then one after remodeling ("criminal cases were transferred"), I think that's sufficient. Zetana (talk) 07:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

8. Exterior: is this the original design, or the re-model after the fire?

   As far as I can remember, the exterior is a faithful recreation of the original design, but I will have to double check.

9. Are there any floor plans available? Like at Bramshill House § Interior

   There could be, I'm not sure where to even look, but I will have a nose for some!

   If you manage to find some (maybe the courthouse has a public contact or something) that would be great, if not that's completely understandable. Zetana (talk) 07:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Let me know if I'm not explaining my comments very well and I'll try to clear them up. Zetana (talk) 07:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

No need to apologise at all, I really appreciate the detail of your review, it's very helpful! I'll try and address the issues you've highlighted in due course. If I think of any questions, I'll ping you. Thanks again! Xx78900 (talk) 12:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, glad it helped! Let me know if/when you've finished with my comments above, and I can do another pass for additional feedback. Zetana (talk) 07:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Xx78900: are you finished with the above comments? If so, can you ping Zetana? If you are not interested in getting more comments, can you close this PR? Z1720 (talk) 14:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Closing note: I am closing this PR due to inactivity. Xx78900 or another editor may open a new PR when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 15:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)