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Hey! I don't think I'm gonna wait a bit longer since we have made a lot of changes and that's all we can do for now. I want to make sure that the main opposers like David Fuchs and UndercoverClassicist that they are satisfied before sending the into FAC again soon. I am not entirely sure if I will tag a fictional character expert, but here we go Aoba47 (Feel free to ignore this if you're busy). Thank you! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 12:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47

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  • I agree with Panini!'s point below. I also prefer "fictional character" over "character". It is just more precise.
I already added it. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I am uncertain about the image chosen for the infobox. I would have personally gone with the most recognizable appearance of the character (like this one here) rather than the latest version. I think the original costume is more iconic for the character, and that image would better set up readers for the later discussions about this specific version of the red dress later in the article. That being said, I would be interested to see what other reviewers have to say about this selection.
The image that you provided diff is not loading btw, but I think you meant her RE4 outit right? I replaced it just now. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
Apologies for that, but you did add the picture that I was referencing. I would remove File:Ada Wong.png as it is no longer necessary. Thank you for addressing this. Aoba47 (talk) 03:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize and thanks! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just have two quick comments for now, but I will get to this review later in the week. I wanted to pointed these two things out as I happened to notice them while looking briefly at the article. Aoba47 (talk) 00:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for weighing in! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have a few comments on this sentence: Ada is a spy and mercenary who is often hired to steal biological weapons for villains, although she has betrayed her employers for her own agendas and saved protagonist Leon S. Kennedy from dire situations. To start with, the sentence starts in present tense, but then it shifts to past tense. I would be consistent throughout and since this is on plot information, I would go with present tense.
Attempted, not sure if this is fine. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I would go with a better descriptor for Leon S. Kennedy rather than "protagonist". I think it would be better to use something in-universe as after all, this sentence is about what is occurring in the game itself. I actually have not played any Resident Evil games, but from what I recall Kennedy is a police officer. If that is true, that would be a better descriptor.
Leon is not a police officer in Re4 and Re6, I'm thinking what I could replace to it so I can only think "protagonist" since In RE2, RE4, and RE6 he's a protagonist. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
Thank you for the clarification. It makes sense that he would no longer be a police officer given what happens to him after the first game. Aoba47 (talk) 03:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Something about the has betrayed her employers for her own agendas seems off to me. I do not have a replacement in mind at the moment, but I still wanted to point it out. It could just be me over-thinking it, but it just reads a bit awkward and vague to me. It may be good to see what reviewers have to say about it.
Attempted to reword it 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • The villains link is unnecessary so I would remove it. Also, could the prose be more specific about who is working for? The "villains" word choice is quite broad to the point that it is not particularly useful for readers in my opinion.
Reworded 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I would remove the novelizations link in the several Resident Evil games, novelizations, and films part from the lead. I had thought the link would lead to an article or list about the Resident Evil novels and not just on novelizations in general. I would imagine that a majority of readers would already be familiar with this concept, and it would avoid the issue that I had with it. I know Jill Valentine uses this link, but I just do not see the value in it.
  Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • Is Sally Cahill notable enough to mention in the lead? If you want to keep this part, I would recommend revising the prose a bit to something like Sally Cahill originally voiced Ada for her initial video game appearance, and subsequently, other actresses have portrayed the character, including Li Bingbing and Lily Gao in the live-action Resident Evil films. Something about the current wording seems a bit off. For reference, I am meaning this sentence: Several actresses have portrayed the character, including Sally Cahill in her initial video game appearance, and Li Bingbing and Lily Gao in the live-action Resident Evil films. Again, it could just be me over-thinking it.
Replaced 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • Is this sentence supported by citations in the article: Video game publications have described Ada as one of the best female video game characters. I see that the article laters says that she is one of the most popular female video game characters, but popularity is different than critics describing her as a great character. There are plenty of popular characters out there that critics do not like at all.
Replaced the word "most popular" into "best". 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I would avoid repeating "publications" in the lead's last paragraph as it does make the prose repetitive. Actually, I would say something like reviewers or journalists instead as they are the ones really saying this and not the actual publication.
Replaced. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • As a side-note, if you are planning on using File:Comiket 90 (29567958461).jpg for a possible TFA, then I believe that it would need to be used in the article itself (but I could be wrong). The only argument that I could see if its inclusion is if you have citations that describe the character as a popular choice for cosplayers or something along those lines.
Noted, but I don't think the cosplayer's image is needed anyway to add the reception since there's no reliable source about that. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)

These are my comments for the lead. I hope that I am not coming across as overly nitpick-y. Apologies in advance for that. Some of these may just be me over-thinking things so feel free to disagree or to see how other reviewers respond. I will revisit the lead again once I really go through the article, but these are mostly prose-related things I have noticed. Aoba47 (talk) 02:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should be the one who should be thankful for reviewing this article. I replied to each of your concerns already. I'm not sure if the present tense thing is fine now, but I attempted to change it. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad that I am able to help. I have made a minor change to the tense part (here), but feel free to revert it if you disagree with that change. Just as one more quick suggestion, but I would revise this part, for unknown organizations such as Albert Wesker as Wesker is not an organization. Maybe something like such as one led by Albert Wesker, but feel free of course to see what you think works best. Aoba47 (talk) 03:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for that suggestion! Replaced it, though my conom has made some slight changes [1]. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:30, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for letting me know. It still has a weird tense shift then as the first part of the sentence is in present tense and the second part is in past tense. Aoba47 (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, sorry about that. I ended up reverting my conom's edit. Thanks again. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 16:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The infobox credits Hideki Kamiya, Noboru Sugimura, and Kazunori Kadoi as creating Ada Wong as a character, but unless I am overlooking something, there is not a clear sentence in the actual article that explicitly states and gives a citation to back it up. Instead the article makes the process seem more piece-meal with Kadoi creating the name for the first Resident Evil game, Kamiya expanding on that reference for Resident Evil 2, and Sugimura changing Kamiya's original plan entirely. Based on the information given in the article, I would not count Kadoi as one of the character's creators as they just made the name (and only the first one at that). To avoid this kind of confusion, I'd have a clear sentence with a clear citation.
Removed Kadoi as one if the creators. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
That does not address my entire point though. Aoba47 (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll admit I just woke up at that time while making changes. So sorry for that. I have made the changes [2]. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is super nitpick-y so apologies in advance, but I would reword a U.S. government cover-up to a cover-up by the U.S. government as I could see some readers taking issue with having two wiki-links in a row per WP:SEAOFBLUE. I do not have any issue with it, and it is admittedly minor, but in my opinion, it is an easy fix just in case.
Reworded 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I have a question about "Separate Ways". Is there anything new or notable that was revealed or added that may be notable enough to mention here? I have a similar question for "Ada's Report", which means Ada's motives behind her mission without saying exactly what they are so it comes off as rather vague.
Added a bit from Ada's report. For "Separate Ways", I'm not sure what to add tbh since in the remake, it is now a DLC instead of minigame, but the appearances should be more faithful to their original appearance. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
This does not really answer my question. I believe the addition to the "Ada's Report" part does not help with the prose. My question is whether or not "Separate Ways" or "Ada's Report" add anything new that should be discussed in the article. Do we learn anything new in "Separate Ways" since the story is told from Ada's perspective and what exactly are these motives that are revealed in "Ada's Report"? Aoba47 (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made some changes [3]. In "Separate Ways," she ends up fighting a unique boss fight, unlike in the main game, and it also has a thing where she escapes the notorious laser room. But I think the only notable one is how she cared for Leon when she was ordered to be killed by Wesker but ended up helping him. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 02:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is more of a clarification question than anything, but given the time jumps between games, going from 1998 in Resident Evil 2 to 2013 in Resident Evil 6, is Ada's age ever addressed or discussed in game (as in if she gets noticeably older or if for whatever reason her aging has slowed or stopped)?
When we were building the appearances section, none if the sources that mention about her age at all. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
Thank you for the response. That makes sense to me. I was just curious because 15 years pass between the character's first appearance to seemingly her last one so I was just curious if that was discussed in any way, but I could see that kind of detail being overlooked or avoided. Aoba47 (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but I doubt journalists cares about their age. Jill Valentine doesn't have age information either if I recall, only the death island Kotaku source where it was claimed that she age very slow; because she got infected during the events of Resident Evil: 3 Nemesis) 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 02:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I remember the "Concept and design" section briefly touch on Ada's relationship with Leon, specifically the kiss in the remake, but the plot summary does not really mention anything about a potential romantic relationship. Shouldn't that be brought up here in some capacity? It does make the discussion about the "ambiguous romance" she has with Leon a little surprising.
They are never confirmed to be each other just in case. Its like Ada just used Leon to steal a sample of the virus from Re2 to Re4. In short, Ada kinda likes Leon, but is unsure about that as a spy. Any idea about that Aoba?
This contradicts this sentence from later in the article: (In Resident Evil 2, she develops an ambiguous romance with Leon as they save each other's lives throughout the game.) This makes it out like the two characters had at least some level of romance. If that is not true, then this sentence would need to be changed. Aoba47 (talk) 01:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aoba47 I played the game like a decade and probably forgotten it (I didn't played the RE2 remake yet. I reached out to people at Resident Evil discord and they said that they indeed have feelings each other, but Capcom just didn't confirm they are lovers (My bad). Sorry for confusing you. I added it [4]. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:58, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only this Kotaku source [5], but I recall Damien said the reception is mostly about film rather than Ada. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
Thank you for the response. I agree with Damien's position on that source. It could be just a case where critics did not discuss Ada's role in the movie that much. That could be because this is a later installment in a film franchise that was not well-regarded or because Ada's role was more minor or not as noticed by critics who are not familiar with the Resident Evil games. I looked up reviews to double-check this and the most that I could find was a critic saying that all the characters, Ada included, seemed interchangeable. Aoba47 (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • For asymmetric online multiplayer game , I would link asymmetric gameplay as not all readers will be familiar with it.
  Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I would unlink novelizations in the article per the same reasons that I suggested it should be unlinked in the lead.
  Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • For Set a few days after the events of the game, they follow, I think it would best to use the game's name to avoid having readers look back up to see what is being referenced here.
  Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • For Several comic books based on the games were released, I would clarify that she has appeared in some of these comic books as this seems more like a general statement that Resident Evil comics exist and does not really connect with Ada.
Added a sentence. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)

I hope that these comments are helpful. I am really enjoying the article so far. Although I have never actually played a Resident Evil game myself (and if I did, I would honestly go back to one of the classic ones), I have always remember this character in particular. I think her character design was so striking and sparked a lot of conversation (although I completely understand why they would change this for the remake). Most of these comments are on the "Appearances" section, aside from the initial comment about the character's creators. Let me know if anything needs further clarification and of course, feel free to disagree with anything. Aoba47 (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the review Aoba! I think I resolved all of your concerns, but I'm not sure the relationship thing at plot though. I'm wondering if you did not find any issues at Reception section, such as the placement of the discussion because ny FAC previously was closed unsuccessful due to the "overuse of quotes", which I trimmed right now. Thank you! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 22:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have not gotten to the "Reception" section yet. My comments are up to the "Concept and design" part. I have not read anything after that. I have left some comments up above to some of your responses. Aoba47 (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I already made some comments above. Thanks! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 02:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Panini!

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  • I'm personally against this new ideology of removing "fictional" from "fictional character", but to each their own.
Added it 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)

I did this one comment and then felt really sick out of nowhere, so give me a bit lol Panini! • 🥪 18:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see hehe. Take your time 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright I'm back. I had late energy to figure out what's going on here and clean up the mess, but I am well rested and I'm going to peer review the crAP outta this one.

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  • I like the new image! I agree with Aoba on this stuff, I much rather prefer the most recognizable instance over the most recent. I despise the image on Sans (Undertale) and Megalovania. I also just like how this image is brighter and more clear.
  • "Ada is a spy and mercenary who is often hired to steal biological weapons for villains, although she has betrayed her employers for her own agendas and saved protagonist Leon S. Kennedy from dire situations." This is a good explanation of the character, but what I think would also be important to include is how she is related to Leon. As in, in the games how did they meet? How did their stories intertwine?
They just met each other in-game during the outbreak of Raccoon City and saved each other plenty of times despite attempting to steal sample of the virus from Leon at the end. Since the lead is just a summarization, I think the explaination at appearance section would be fine already or do you got any suggestions? Update: I made some changes per Aoba above. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • Considering how the third paragraph is two sentences I recommend merging it with the one above.
Im sorry Panini! I don't like the outcome after merging it, the article looked too flimsy and I made it for consistency in Jill Valentine's article (another FA). 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
Concept and design
I also had no idea what it was and I ended up searching at google before adding "mercenary" to this article.   Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • Could you explain what "Umbrella" is to the folks at home who don't know anything about the games? (I'm the folk at home who don't know anything about the games.)
  Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • I'm seeing below that this is mentioned in "Appearances". You're following the norm, but personally I really think "Apperances" should come before "Concept and creation" so these fictional concepts are more digestible. I asked about this here for my sake.
For consistency for the other RE articles like FA Jill Valentine. Concept and design goes first because RE is much more complex. If we end up changing the format then the article would suffer another issue (Which I fear). I ended up making the changes and I'm kinda a bit unhappy that I am being forced to remove the chronological graph with the changes, but I think its fine anyway. Heads up Aoba47, Chris Woodrich and JokEobard to let them know about this situation. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • "Ada has also been voiced by Megan Hollingshead in Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles, and Courtenay Taylor in Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City, Resident Evil 6, and Resident Evil: Damnation." In a case like this where the titles are back to back, you can drop "Resident Evil:" in these instances to make it easier to read. (Except the one from Resident Evil 6, since there is no subheader in that one)
  Done 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
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  • Is it possible to be more specific about criticisms pertaining to her character beyond calling her a mean word I won't repeat? To me it feels dismissive of the criticisms, and doesn't summarize what exactly they don't like about her personality.
I added a tidbit, but that word is literally the only criticism from magazine. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)
  • Is it also possible to dive into more cultural impact, if there is some? I would assume you have already checked for comprehensiveness, but if there is no more sources to find, then WP:DUEWEIGHT is needed for the bold claim of being the GOAT. What additional specifics can you jump into about her? Did they praise the character's dialogue, or her role in the game perhaps? If more than one source makes a positive statement, by all means include them!
Unfortunately, theres no more. Ive trimmed the reception due to other reviewers req at FAC before it was closed as unsuccessful (they hate the usage of quotes). I restored an accidentally deleted content [6], and there's none to be found. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔)

Panini! • 🥪 17:19, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Panini! I think I resolved all of your concerns (not sure at reception, but I readded a accidentally removed content and I don't think theres more reception to be found). Thank you! 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 23:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JokEobard pinged just in case. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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