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May 31

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  • Association football icon Pelé announces that he will sell 1,500 lots of his possessions via Julien's Auctions, which will include his medals, trophies, jerseys, and diplomatic gifts. (BBC)

RD/blurb: Mohamed Abdelaziz

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Article: Mohamed Abdelaziz (Sahrawi politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Sahrawi president Mohamed Abdelaziz dies aged 68. (Post)
News source(s): Daily Mail
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Nominator's comments: Incumbent president of Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (claims Western Sahara), served for 40 years. EternalNomad (talk) 21:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support I want to nominate him. Maybe just RD. --Jenda H. (talk) 21:41, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD/blurb: Antonio Imbert Barrera

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Stale RD. No consensus for blurb. Fuebaey (talk) 01:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Antonio Imbert Barrera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former president of Dominican Republic Antonio Imbert Barrera dies aged 95. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former president of Dominican Republic Antonio Imbert Barrera, who helped to overthrow dictator Rafael Trujillo, dies aged 95.
News source(s): Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Former head of state, leader of one side of the Dominican Civil War, and a key player in overthrowing dictator Rafael Trujillo. EternalNomad (talk) 21:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Carla Lane

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Article: Carla Lane (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Seminal British sitcom writer. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 30

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[Closed] RD: David Tod Roy

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No consensus at this time, article expired. Nakon 05:31, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: David Tod Roy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Chinese, China News Service, People's Daily
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Nominator's comments: American sinologist. Made the first complete English translation of the erotic Chinese novel, Jin Ping Mei. Brother of a former U.S. Ambassador. Fuebaey (talk) 15:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support the bio is half-decent yet it seems strongly focused on the one piece of work, and doesn't really discuss much else in the life of this individual. Few references but seemingly sufficient to cite what's there. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Tom Lysiak

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No consensus to post. Nakon 05:28, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tom Lysiak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Washington Times Fox Sports
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Nominator's comments: Three time NHL all-star. Andise1 (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Rick MacLeish

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No consensus to post. Nakon 05:27, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rick MacLeish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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Nominator's comments: Would probably meet the RD criteria even without the trial – Muboshgu (talk) 19:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Chad's Hissene Habre jailed for crimes against humanity

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Article: Hissène Habré (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Chad military ruler Hissène Habré is convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to life in prison by court in Senegal. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former President of Chad Hissène Habré becomes the first African former head of state to be convicted on the continent for crimes against humanity.
News source(s): (Al Jazeera), (BBC), (The New York Times), (CNN) ect...
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 Jenda H. (talk) 19:46, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support & added Alt1 - I added alt1 and think alt1 better explains the significance of this trial and conviction. I will make adjustments to Habre's Wikipedia article within the next 30 minutes to better explain the significance of the conviction. This is a landmark trial and conviction. Previously, African leaders charged with crimes against humanity have been charged in courts outside the continent, such as the International Criminal Court or in Belgium (explained in Habre's Wikipedia article).
  • From CNN: "The court in Senegal found Habre guilty of crimes against humanity, rape, forced slavery and kidnapping as well as ordering the killings of 40,000 people during his rule between 1982 and 1990...The decision makes Habre the first African former head of state to be convicted on the continent, according to Human Rights Watch. It is also the first time that a court of one country has prosecuted the former ruler of another over human rights crimes, the group said."
  • From the BBC: "Chad's ex-ruler Hissene Habre has been convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to life in prison at a landmark trial in Senegal...It was the first time an African Union-backed court had tried a former ruler for human rights abuses."
  • From The Guardian: "Not only is the trial of Habré the first time a country has prosecuted a former leader of another nation for rights abuses, it is also an important model of how hybrid courts can reconcile the often conflicting demands of international law and local sovereignty."
AHeneen (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect if he dies, he might not. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work. Maybe the lead needs a little more adding, so it's not just a one-liner. I'd add the stuff about this trial, but is that WP:UNDUE? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted nice work indeed. The lead is too short but that's just an amber warning and I won't tag it as Lugnuts has indicated that he can add one or two sentences to make it more appropriate. Good work by the updaters. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone update the picture? 86.187.171.116 (talk) 21:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With what? The sketch of his face, or the image of him in 1979? Neither are appropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Should anyone bother looking for a better fair use image? I suppose having no good picture never stops an item getting onto the main page. Just seems a bit odd. 86.187.171.116 (talk) 21:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can't see how we can use a fair use image, Habre is still alive so it is perfectly possible that someone can take his picture and release it under an appropriate licence for Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Should anyone bother looking for a better image? Perhaps people would rather see a central defender man of the match than someone jailed for crimes against humanity. 86.187.171.116 (talk) 21:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you (or anyone else) has the time and think the article and/or ITN listing would benefit from another/a better image then then go ahead and look. The ITN image is generally the most recent blurb for which we have an appropriate image, regardless of the subject. Thryduulf (talk) 22:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Philippine presidential election, 2016

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Article: Philippine presidential election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) is elected President of the Philippines. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) is proclaimed President of the Philippines after winning the presidential election
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the Philippine presidential election, Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) of PDP–Laban is proclaimed as president.
News source(s): BBC News, CBS News, The Guardian CNN Philippines
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Nominator's comments: Had been nominated earlier this month, but the consensus was to wait for the official proclamation. Well he and his new vice president have been proclaimed now (by the way, should Leni Robredo also be included in the blurb?). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is one citation needed tag (in the "electoral system" section) but other than that it looks like it's good to go. I've added an altblurb that mentions this is a proclamation as well as an election, but I'm not overly fussed if others think we don't need to mention that. Thryduulf (talk) 09:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't think a single CN tag and some odd phrasing here and there, in an article of this size and otherwise good quality, should prevent posting to ITN. The decision to delay posting this, for arcane and inconsequential procedural issues, was a dumb decision. By the same token that delayed posting this, we shouldn't post US election results until January 6.128.214.53.18 (talk) 07:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment it's actually that whole section that's unreferenced, not just a single {{cn}} so I've tagged it as such. Once that's resolved I think we can post. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: I'm pretty sure the electoral system of the Philippines is already discussed at Politics of the Philippines and President of the Philippines, so any sources there could easily just be transfered to the election article. In fact, you could actually cite the Philippine constitution as the procedures for electing/proclaiming the President are there. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, but a whole section without a single inline reference just doesn't cut it for me in any circumstances. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Alastair Cook reaches 10,000 runs in record time

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No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alastair Cook (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alastair Cook becomes the youngest person to reach 10,000 runs in test Cricket (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Against Sri Lanka, Alastair Cook becomes the youngest person to reach 10,000 runs
Alternative blurb II: ​ Alastair Cook becomes the youngest person and first Englishman to reach 10,000 runs in Test Cricket
News source(s): [2], [3]
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Nominator's comments: 10,000 runs is an achievement and being the fastest and first Englishman is also and achievement. Torqueing (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have concerns on this as ITN, but regardless of those, the blurbs seem wrong/misleading. Quoting the Guardian article "At 31 years and 157 days, Cook has displaced Tendulkar as the youngest player to reach five-figures in Tests." "Fastest" is not really the right measure, though I see where it's coming from. Perhaps "Alastair Cook becomes the youngest player and first Englishman to reach 10,000 runs in test cricket." (I still have concerns on the ITN-worthiness of this record, given 11 ppl have done this before) --MASEM (t) 14:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, youngest is correct (and Test has a capital T). Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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May 29

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[Closed] Indianapolis 500 and Monaco Grand Prix

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No consensus reached for posting, event expired. Nakon 05:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2016 Indianapolis 500 (talk · history · tag) and 2016 Monaco Grand Prix (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Alexander Rossi (pictured) wins the 100th edition of the Indianapolis 500. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Alexander Rossi (pictured) wins the 100th edition of the Indianapolis 500, while Lewis Hamilton wins the Monaco Grand Prix.
News source(s): BBC Sport, ESPN, USA Today
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Nominator's comments: The 100th running of a motorsport triple crown race. F1 fans might recognise this year's winner. Needs a race summary. Fuebaey (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously, I would be fine with posting the Monaco Grand Prix once I updated it later today. However, I still do not quite understand why the Monaco race is ITNR... I would not oppose to posting the Indy 500 independently. Needs a lot of work though... Zwerg Nase (talk) 07:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Monaco GP is not ITNR (it was removed late last year), realistically it's just a single race in a season of many races, just like this race, however for some reason Indy 500 is ITNR. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Indy does hold a more significant place in the IndyCar series than Monaco in the F1 season, I'd say... Just considering that Indy was the main part of the split from CART back in the days. Zwerg Nase (talk) 07:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Monaco is certainly the most prestigious F1 race in terms of atmosphere and is arguably the most iconic - it does have a lot of history but the British Grand Prix probably has a better claim to the title of the most historic. However it is first among equals at best - it is the same teams, cars and drivers as any other race of the season and the winners get the same number of points. I don't know about prize money though. I'm not opposed to a combined blurb but I haven't evaluated either article. Thryduulf (talk) 09:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Monaco (together with Indy and Le Mans) are considered part of the Triple Crown of Motorsport though, so there's that. I don't want to invoke WP:OSE here but winners of the Triple Crown in horse racing is usually posted here, and the Monaco GP was part of ITNR until recently. Perhaps, as suggested above, a combined blurb is an acceptable compromise? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:46, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, not quite the right comparison, since no driver at the moment can win the Triple Crown in one year, if we take the Monaco GP and not the F1 World Championship as part of it... This blurb does not cover someone winning the Triple Crown, but someone winning parts of it. Zwerg Nase (talk) 10:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Both Stanley Cup Finals and IIHF World Championships are components of Triple Gold Club (and also ITNR), but players cannot win both in same year because of schedule conflict. --61.245.25.3 (talk) 13:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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May 28

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[Closed] 58th Ariel Awards

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Article: 58th Ariel Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Mexico, the film Las Elegidas won Best Picture and Best Director at the 58th Ariel Awards (Post)
News source(s): Milenio
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Nominator's comments: The Ariel Awards are the Mexican equivalente to the Oscars, they are the most important film award in Mexico and the winning film this year also competed at the Cannes Film Festival. Javier Espinoza (talk) 04:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Bryce Dejean-Jones

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Article: Bryce Dejean-Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Guardian, Wall Street Journal
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Nominator's comments: American NBA basketball player. Shot dead at 23. Fuebaey (talk) 02:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We don't judge importance on RD nominations per the current trial on allowing any subject who merits an article to be posted to RD upon adequate quality. If you are saying this person doesn't merit an article, then it should be nominated for AFD- but as I understand it most professional players do merit a page. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: No, I say that this person's notability is very far from enough for inclusion; nobody here contests on whether he merits an article or not. If any player in a sport league meets the notability criteria for you, then it doesn't and will never do for me.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Kiril Simeonovski: Please review WP:NHOOPS which states that playing in one professional game merits a player an article. 331dot (talk) 10:12, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: By "notability criteria in his field" I mean notability for RD (of course he meets the notability criteria to merit an article). Sorry if it wasn't entirely comprehensive.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only notability criteria for RD is having an article. I know you don't like that, but it doesn't change the facts. Thryduulf (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] UEFA Champions League

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Article: 2016 UEFA Champions League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Real Madrid defeat Atlético Madrid in the final to win the UEFA Champions League. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, CNN, Sports Illustrated
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Nominator's comments: Needs match summary once match ends. Fuebaey (talk) 20:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 27

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  • Record rainfall and severe flooding in southeast Texas has killed at least two people with three others missing. On Thursday, a record 16.6 inches (42 cm) of rain fell in Brenham, west of Houston. (Reuters)

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[Posted] RD: Kai G. Henriksen

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Posted. Let's leave discussion of the trial to the talk page, please. Thryduulf (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kai G. Henriksen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Aftenposten, Dagens Næringsliv, Nettavisen
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Nominator's comments: Head of the Norwegian state alcohol retailer, Vinmonopolet. Fuebaey (talk) 02:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is brief but well referenced, albeit mainly in Norwegian so assuming good faith on those. Good to go per the trial. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The fact we cannot find proper sources in English says much about the notability of this person. He was nothing more than a CEO of a commercial bank (symbolically the oldest in the country) and a government-owned monopoly company at the time of his death that, I bet, most outside of Norway have never heard about.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Leaving aside the trial(see above); "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. ". 331dot (talk) 09:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Also see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources which clearly states that sources in English are not a requirement for notability. If you do wish to dispute the notability of this person for an article then this is not the correct venue. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @331dot: I didn't oppose this on the grounds of an event related to a single but simply because this person doesn't meet any criteria of notability. Can you tell me how this person changed the world? What is the value that the companies he managed created to the society? How he is celebrated, at least, in his country?
    @Thryduulf: You' re right, they're certainly not a requirement but a very strong basis to judge someone's notability. It makes me a bit pain to dig deeply on Google without finding a single article documenting his death published in the English-language media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If you believe the article should be deleted, please take it to AFD, otherwise the current RD trial applies, and the article is of adequate quality for posting, so although your current opposition is noted it is effectively meaningless. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kiril Simeonovski: Please review this information about the current RD criteria where we no longer judge importance; persons are presumed notable if they merit an article. If you are saying this person does not merit an article, then please propose it for deletion. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @331dot: Oh, I wasn't aware about the experiment. But does it really prevent me to oppose it here since it's just a trial with unknown outcome? Anyway, I'll go to the discussion page to oppose it. Thanks for letting me know.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per TRM. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Not seeing sufficient notability for ITN here. Death was not unusual, and "top of his field" is a stretch. I am also not seeing consensus for the ready tag. Jusdafax 18:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Please see talk page regarding current trial. "sufficient notability" is now justified by the existence of an article, we are simply concerned with the quality of said article. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'll ignore all rules and simply say I find the notion that anyone with an updated Wikipedia article who dies therefore to qualify for ITN RD is an absurd idea. I also disagree that my oppose and others like it is meaningless. Jusdafax 18:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. You are not alone, although since we have had precisely zero complaints and zero issues implementing it, and as a result of the trial we have had a dozen or so more improved articles and have stuck one in the face of systemic bias, you may be one of the IDONTLIKEIT brigade. Thanks for your contribution. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I complained on your talk page early on. This trial is a failure and people are getting tired of it. We should go back to the previous method. Abductive (reasoning) 05:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
People? Who? You're another baseless IDONTLIKEIT campaigner. There's precisely no logic in your position. You want to go back to arguing the toss for four days over notability while I want to acknowledge that notability has already been established by the existence of an article on Wikipedia. You like to waste time and get RDs to go stale and out of the news before they're posted while I like to get them on the main page as soon as practicable with high quality. You are advocating a method which has failed to deliver for years. That's failure. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Barack Obama visits Hiroshima

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obvious strong consensus against posting. μηδείς (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Barack Obama (talk · history · tag) and Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Barack Obama becomes first incumbent U.S. president to visit city of Hiroshima, where U.S. dropped atomic bomb on August 6, 1945. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, Reuters
 61.245.25.3 (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would like to support this on notability as it is a truly unique historic event--Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain the only use of nuclear weapons as an attack and thus Obama is obviously the only leader of a nation to have used them to visit the actual site in the country they were used against. Certainly of large significance in Japan, the US, and broader significance beyond. That said none of the linked articles refer to the visit at all. I can't support it at this point.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With the amount of press coverage, I imagine that a separate article could be created about the visit. shoy (reactions) 13:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Something gives me the strong impression that he's using this visit to pad his legacy more than for any actual historical and political importance.--WaltCip (talk) 13:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Legacy reflects historical importance. Wikipedia articles have a 'legacy' section to discuss a subject's historic importance.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Regardless of the intent of the visit, this isn't anything groundbreaking in politics (compared to Obama visiting Cuba as a sign of the end of the Cuba Thaw). --MASEM (t) 13:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Masem; very little of significance is expected to come out of this visit; it was made clear beforehand he was not going to apologize for the bombing; no new policies, agreements or treaties are being announced. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Masem, 331dot. Had he voiced some sort of apology, that would have been significant, but it wasn't in the cards. (After all, it was a decision made by Truman years before Obama was born.) His was a sympathetic gesture, that's all. Sca (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a mere PR gesture. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Resolutely oppose Echoing all WaltCip, Masem, and 331dot's comments in full, as merely a legacy-cementing measure by a warmonger; in addition, his remarks of ridding the world of nuclear weapons fly in the face of his tacit approval of a 1 trillion USD upgrade to said arsenal. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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May 26

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RD: Arturo Pomar

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Article: Arturo Pomar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
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Nominator's comments: First Spanish chess GM and seven-time champion of Spain, according to the article. Size-wise looks good. Brandmeistertalk 21:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose the bio section is seriously under-referenced. 05:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Hedy Epstein

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Article: Hedy Epstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): STLToday, Huff Po
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Nominator's comments: Holocaust survivor, peace activist article is almost 8,000 characters (1,240 words) and well sourced with the exception of two cn tags. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose being a Holocaust survivor is not a "field" and her role as an activist is far outshadowed by others. There is no evidence of awards or major influence on others. μηδείς (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi, remember we're still doing the trial of promoting anyone who died to ITN/RD as long as their article is up to snuff. No more subjective "importance" criteria, at least for now. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's some really weird use of quotes in this article. They're all cited, but thre's a lot of things that could be simple paragraph, leaving the quotes to things that are difficult to paraphrase or subjective. --MASEM (t) 03:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mainly per Medeis. If she were the last Holocaust survivor, it would perhaps put some weight to consider this for posting. But with no indication about any important event and achievement with major implications in her life, this is far from being sufficient for inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready yet there are a couple of statements explicitly marked as requiring a citation (and they clearly do need them) but when they're sorted it should be good to go. I note the quoting issue described by Masem but I don't see that as a barrier personally. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cannot post in current form. I was going to address the {{cn}} tags and post this, but in trying to source the last one, I discovered that almost all of the "biography" section is a word-for-word copyvio of this article, and have had to remove it. I don't have time to rewrite from scratch, and as a result almost all of the article is now about one speaking controversy. This needs to stay off the main page until the copyvio issue is convincingly addressed (there might be more copyvios, I don't have time to look further); whoever added that has possibly doomed the article to never making it to the main page until it is too stale to add. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Floquenbeam: Having looked, I think you may have been mistaken and it is a commenter on that NJ Jewish News article who has copied Wikipedia. The article dates from 2011 but the biography section was introduced into Wikipedia in 2008 (see article talk for more detail). I haven't resorted it as I want other people to verify my thoughts first. You were correct to remove the potential copyvio based on your suspicions though. Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Floquenbeam and Thryduulf: I think Thryduulf is correct. Not only the content but the formatting of the comment in that off-wiki article appear to come from our content rather than vice versa. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • if so please revert me don't wait for my input. On a phone can't really check anything. Trust judgement of both of you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've looked, you're both right, mea culpa. I've restore the text. There's one {{cn}} tag left that (because I'm spending all my time lately fixing my own screw-ups) I can't deal with. I agree with the nom that the controversy section is a little too long, but IMHO it's not enough to prevent posting to RD when the {{cn}} tag is dealt with. --Floquenbeam (talk) 11:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • I've addressed the last {{cn}} tag, and (at the risk of violating INVOLVED somehow) gone ahead and posted this to RD. Consensus above seems to be that these tags were the primary barrier to posting. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Trump clinches

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No chance of this being posted. Even the nomination conventions are unlikely to be posted at ITN. BencherliteTalk 19:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Many possible articles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Trump clinches the nomination. 205.197.242.170 (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Apart from this nomination being a lazy effort, this is only a press estimation. And even IF he had all the delegates, his nomination is not sure until he is elected at the convention. Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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May 25

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Nadiya Savchenko

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Article: Nadiya Savchenko (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ukrainian pilot and politician Nadiya Savchenko (pictured), who was detained by Russia in 2014, is released following a prisoner swap. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters), (New York Times)
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Nominator's comments: Notable part of the Ukraine-Russian conflict. Fairly high profile prisoner swap. Savchenko is an elected member of the Ukrainian parliament. Dramatic u-turn after long prison sentence. Bruzaholm (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose – Interesting episode, but just a footnote to the Ukraine story. Sca (talk) 14:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - for a few reasons. First it's big national news, and it has garnered international interest as well. Second, four of the current five blurbs deal with prime ministers and presidents. I think it's preferable to feature different kinds of news as much as possible. Finally, the oldest blurb right now is over a week old. As with point 2, I think it's preferable to post something more recent. Banedon (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Sca. We should not be modifying our notability threshold per Banedon, that's just stupid. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Well, what 'Ramling Man' refer to as a "notability threshold" is sending ITN into total irrelevance. Right now 4 out of 5 entries are dedicated to presidents and prime ministers (two from the same country) and a constitutional referendum on presidential term limits (an article which is short as a stump). Maybe ITN should be renamed "Recently elected leaders" instead? -- Bruzaholm (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, 'Bruzaholm' you miss the point entirely. What I'm saying is that this story to me is not particularly newsworthy, and we should not lower our threshold just because we happen to have a certain number of a certain type of story on ITN right now. Mind you, some people would prefer an entirely empty ITN section because their threshold for inclusion is so high, yet sometimes they arbitrarily lower their threshold because they don't fancy the current make-up of the ITN section. Odd. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • With respect that the suggested item doesn't fit 'Rambling Man's' subjective opinion of newsworthiness, my point is that the rules favor ITNR-topics such as natural disasters, elected and reelected political leaders, as well as various popular referendums. The Tadjik referendum is a great example of a topic that gains automatic elevation on those merits, although the article is very short and not very informative. No problem, but ITN should indeed have a name which better reflects the situation. However, my nomination was based on the item's own merits, not the fact that ITN happened to lack general newsworthiness for the time being. --Bruzaholm (talk) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One person being repatriated to Ukraine in exchange for two people being repatriated to Russia is pretty small potatoes in a war that has taken thousands of lives and displaced hundreds of thousands. Ms. Savchenko may be hero (or heroine, if you prefer) to a number of Ukrainians, but she's not widely known outside the country. The exchange doesn't appear to signify a fundamental change in the overall situation. Sca (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd like to see ITNR removed or adjusted, feel free to make a proposal. It makes no difference at all to my opinion that this particular story is of little relevance and minor newsworthiness. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Ms. Savchenko is not well known outside the country, but that applies to most people that make the news. If you cover up the current ITN, can you name the President of Tajikstan? I do not think it's fair to say the exchange is "just" one person being repatriated in exchange for two as well. If you look at the article, Savchenko's conduct while on trial in Russia has led to all sorts of things, she e.g. got elected into parliament while being held in Russia. She is a very high profile case. Banedon (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Apples and oranges. Ms. Savchenko is not a head of state. Sca (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Notable story that has received plenty of attention and has plenty of great sourcing. BabbaQ (talk) 20:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose any blurb mentioning Nadiya Savchenko but otherwise the swap seems not sufficiently notable. Prisoner swaps have been posted on the main page, with the last one I remember between Russia and the United States, but with a different and more neutral blurb without mentioning specific names (though the media then centred their attention on Anna Chapman). Anyway, the swap itself is not a very big deal.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 24

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[Posted] RD: Yang Jiang

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Article: Yang Jiang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Shanghai Daily, Washington Post, Xinhua
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Giant in Chinese literature, widow of Qian Zhongshu but widely known in her own right. English article is not great, but only because of systemic bias. Colipon+(Talk) 17:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Burt Kwouk

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there is no need for any more discussion here. Thryduulf (talk) 22:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Burt Kwouk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sayonara Cato. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the IP. Not to denigrate TRM's work (hunting refs is something I do more than writing (stilted) prose and a thankless task in comparison) but individually sourcing an article-linked filmography section is unnecessary even for FA/GA/DYK. I dislike seeing how "quality" here is arbitrarily instituting these inane "rules" for posting. Fuebaey (talk) 10:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Forget GA and DYK, requirements there are, well, special. As for FA, well I hope the people that review the unreferenced items follow the blue links and check they're referenced, as a minimum. Otherwise the FA fails WP:V. We shouldn't be chasing the lowest common denominator. Plus, my edits were in response to the opposition who asked for more references (just as I would have done in their position) and we are driven by community consensus, not "what happened in one particular FA/GA/DYK". The Rambling Man (talk) 14:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
However much I'd like to debate the applicability of WP:V and WP:BLP with you, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I would like to state though that I was referring to the filmography section, not the career section (which should be cited and also cover his filmography), and that one person does not make "community consensus". Fuebaey (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't one person, and as I said, I would include myself too in any case. Relying on blue links simply isn't the best approach. Just because one FA hasn't done the best it can, it doesn't mean we should all make a bodge of it. I'm happy to work on referencing and working on making each item standalone and not reliant on other articles whose quality is unknown. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Point of information: What's the difference between narky and snarky? Sca (talk) 20:05, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Narky=bad-tempered, snarky=critical or sarcastic. I understand there are a number of dictionaries available should this situation arise in future. ‑ Iridescent 20:14, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Point of information: what is the point of this point of information? Is it a point-making point of information our just a pointless pointed point of information? Either way, I'd suggest the question is pointless and adds nothing, as usual, to this process. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Remove "EgyptAir Flight 804"?

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Staying put for now. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The article may have received updates of May 22 and 23, mostly minor updates in prose. However, neither seems very impactful to the event marked as "ongoing". Of course, the event can be reinserted as just a blurb, but this is the removal proposal, i.e. delisting the event from Ongoing ticker. The ones in "Search and recovery efforts" discusses just an Egyptian submarine and a French boat scanning the possible crash area. The latest one in "Responses" is just a series of latest reactions that do very little effect to the event. The latest one in "Investigations" do not make the event meet the ITN ongoing standards, IMHO. George Ho (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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May 23

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Cyprus election

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Article: Cypriot legislative election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Anastasiades government holds on to power after Cyprus legislative election (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ DISY-led Cypriot government holds on to power after legislative election
Alternative blurb II: ​ Eight parties to enter the Cypriot parliament following legislative election
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Cyprus, DISY retains power with a reduced mandate following legislative election
Alternative blurb IV: Legislative election in Cyprus leaves governing DISY party with a reduced mandate
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 PanchoS (talk) 17:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, the article has been updated sufficiently regarding the results and their analysis. I think a blurb about DISY retaining their plurality (rather than the Anastasiades government, Anastasiades would hold power as an executive president regardless of the result) could be better though. --GGT (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's true. I intentionally omitted DISY as the party lost mandates and wasn't cited as a winner. On the other hand, mentioning the two mandates for far-right ELAM, as some news outlets did, seems WP:UNDUE as well. I added two altblurbs but am not overly happy with either of them, so feel free to join in with a better proposal. --PanchoS (talk) 06:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Added a third altblurb which I think is nearly there but not quite perfect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please can we have (a) some news sources included in the nomination for us to read (b) at least one blurb free from grammatical errors (c) an article with more than just a one-sentence lead and (d) an article that is less opinionated ("Mere months before the 2016 legislative election...", "Papadopoulos had gone even further off the mark stating..."? Others may have further ideas. BencherliteTalk 10:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Tajikistani referendum

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Article: Tajikistani constitutional referendum, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Tajikistani constitutional referendum, voters approve the removal of term limits of incumbent President Emomali Rahmon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Tajikistani constitutional referendum results in the removal of term limits of incumbent President Emomali Rahmon.
News source(s): TASS, ABC News
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 Brandmeistertalk 09:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Voters endorse. Voters favor. Voters approve. Sca (talk) 13:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Adjusted. Brandmeistertalk 17:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Binali Yıldırım appointed Turkish Prime Minister

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Article: Binali Yıldırım (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Binali Yıldırım (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of Turkey following the resignation of Ahmet Davutoğlu (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Binali Yıldırım (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of Turkey after Ahmet Davutoğlu resigns amid disagreements with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
News source(s): ABC, BBC, VOA
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 Nub Cake (talk) 01:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now. Needs some referencing improvement. Especially the following section: Education, Early political career, second paragraph of Member of Parliament, middle paragraph of Minister of Transport, Awards and Honors section. --Jayron32 01:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added references to the parts stated. Awards and Honours section is already sourced. The source at the end of the first paragraph lists the universities. Nub Cake (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article now meets minimum quality standards. --Jayron32 15:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not all countries elect their PMs, as a matter of fact. Brandmeistertalk 07:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't have to be a result of an election. A blurb about the resignation of the Austrian Chancellor and the appointment of his successor is currently on the ITN. Nub Cake (talk) 14:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't post one item just because we have posted other items in the same category of events. Each item is weighed on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I'd still say that unless someone explains clearly what the difference between Austrian Chancellors and Turkish Prime Ministers are such that the former merits posting and the latter doesn't, then if we oppose posting this because of anything other than article quality issues, it would be a sign of systemic bias. It's up to ITN whether we want to embrace bias or fight it, and I personally think we should have a discussion on that; I do on a personal level feel we should fight bias however, and so I'm supporting. Banedon (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The fact that it wasn't an election is irrelevant. Most countries don't directly elect senior government officials, not a reason not to post. Fgf10 (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I don't want to formally say that I oppose this but the effect of this seems minimal; the PM is chosen by the President and as such must agree with his policies(in fact, the previous PM was dismissed forresigned due to disagreeing with Erodgan). The new PM has even suggested his role should be abolished de jure because Erodgan is already in charge de facto. 331dot (talk) 15:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The senior leadership of the CCP (PRC) is not 'elected' by the wider public, so "it was not an election" is a No-go argument. And until Turkey formally moves to a Presidential system, this is ITN recurring material. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@CaradhrasAiguo: This is not a recurring item; in fact, the recurring items list specifically states that changes to head of government are discussed on their own merits. 331dot (talk) 16:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: Regardless, it is a non-trivial consolidation of power in favor of Erdogan, and thru my lens it is clearly by no means an insignificant step in the path towards increased Authoritarianism, and possibly Totalitarianism in the Turksish 'Republic'. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Though Yıldırım won't be much more than a figurehead, he has been a key minister for years, and both his positive achievements and dark sides are remarkable. Apart from that, current developments in Turkey are very intensely covered in int'l media, and CaradhrasAiguo is right in noting that this is another important step towards authoritanism. We should also reward the main author of this contentwise awesome article, though I'd like to see more English-language sources, or at least translations of some of the more important sources' titles. Technically it's a bit early, as Yıldırım has not yet been confirmed by parliament, but it is beyond any doubt that he will be confirmed at the parliament's next session. --PanchoS (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – New (nominal) head of government in a country of 79 million. Sca (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 06:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I cannot, actually, determine whether or not this nomination should be ITNR. The criteria states that "heads of state" are ITNR, election or not, but that "heads of government" are not ITNR, election or not. The definition of Turkey's government, as noted on Wikipedia, the CIA and Turkey's own government webpage, is "parliamentary republic". This means the PM, as head of parliament, should be the most powerful person in the country, and if ITNR should have any correlation with impact, then surely heads of government should be ITNR for republics. Now, the difference between "state" and "government" is something of a Western conceit that Turkey (among others) is doing away with, and there's good reason to say that de facto power in this particular "parliamentary republic" actually does lie with the head of state, contrary to their assertions otherwise. The strictest reading of the ITNR criteria leads me to say that ITNR should not apply here, and this particular case seems to support that. But the fact that, for many countries on Earth, ITNR would cover the change in a mere figurehead, but not the person in charge of the actual functioning of the state and government strikes me as absurd, and surely this would have been considered when laying down the ITNR criteria.128.214.53.18 (talk) 07:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps WT:ITNR is a better venue for this since the item has been posted, regardless of whether it should be included as an ITNR candidate or not. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed- though they may want to review prior discussions on that subject. 331dot (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 22

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  • NASA projects that 2016 will have the warmest global temperature average on record. This year would be the third record-breaking year in a row. Per NOAA annals, April marked the 12th record warmest month in a row. (Scientific American)

[Closed] RD: Bata Živojinović

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Stale, now that RD has three articles, two of which are more recent deaths than this one. No consensus to post. SSTflyer 02:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bata Živojinović (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Award-winning actor, should be notable enough even without trial run. Article needs more sourcing in Biography section though. EternalNomad (talk) 14:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative support, iconic actor. The article needs some more references, though. A couple of paragraphs are unreferenced (though there has been some improvement since the first time I checked). --Tone 20:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Other than the "Illness and death section", has a grand total of two references, and discounting the section on his death and the list of films is so short as to be a substub. I don't expect everything to be an FA, but I do expect an article on a politician to have more than one sentence about their political positions and career. ‑ Iridescent 20:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Needs references and it's a woefully short article for someone who spent nearly 60 years in his field. Challenger l (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Ice Hockey World Championship

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Article: 2016 IIHF World Championship Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, Canada defeat Finland in the final to win the IIHF World Championship. (Post)
News source(s): CTV News, RT, Reuters
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Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Noticed this tournament by chance. Has one line of prose. Needs some more prose (buildup, match summary, etc), if there are any ice hockey fans out there. Fuebaey (talk) 21:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe they're melting away like the glaciers. Sca (talk) 13:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More just a matter that this is actually not that major of a tournament, unlike the olympics, World Cup of Hockey or the Stanley Cup playoffs, which are also ongoing. It's an annual tournament that is mostly seen as secondary, as many of the world's best are too busy with their club teams to participate. Tends to be treated more significantly in continental Europe than anywhere else. Oh, and its annual, unlike the quadrennial World Cups in other sports, and even hockey.oknazevad (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Trans: Twenty-four words. (Don't believe prose is customarily measured in bytes.) Sca (talk) 23:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:DYK for an example, Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose, cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. It's bigger now, but still only 1,066 characters (or 184 words, if you prefer) and not fully sourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Palme d'Or

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Article: I, Daniel Blake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ I, Daniel Blake wins the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ I, Daniel Blake wins the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ken Loach wins his second Palme d'Or for the film I, Daniel Blake at the Cannes Film Festival.
News source(s): BBC
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 The Rambling Man (talk) 20:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on length. Article is a stub right now. --Jayron32 20:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2016 Cannes Film Festival might be the better target article. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support either target. The film article appears to be unstubbed now, so I've removed the stub tag. Haven't watched it, though. Brandmeistertalk 17:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Right now, 4 out of 5 ITN posts are about heads of government/state, and we need something that's not politics. This is ITN/R. Have added an altblurb, emphasizing the director (who actually receives the Palme, and Loach is one of very few directors to have won twice). Smurrayinchester 08:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with 2016 Cannes Film Festival as the target article, as it appears to cover the event in sufficient depth. Ken Loach has an orange tag. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on length. A sum total of one sentence was added to each since both the film and award articles were nominated. For the film, I disagree that it is not a stub. I'd expect roughly 3 paragraphs on the film (lead, plot, production, reviews, etc) - it currently is half that and doesn't even meet the minimum length reqs for DYK. The award article should describe what happened at the festival - see the 2015 lead or the 2014 awards section. I don't really see a reason to highlight Loach's article; ITN/R is for the film, not the director. Fuebaey (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per Muboshgu. Opposers concerns about article length are unconvincing. This nomination, as noted, is ITN/R, and appears to be ready, so I am tagging it as such. Jusdafax 04:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose where is the prose? The film article is very sparse and borderline acceptable I suppose, but the 2016 festival article is just a series of massive tables with 1-2 sentence introductions. ITN/R means that the event is automatically deemed notable enough to appear on ITN subject to an update of sufficient quality. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Austrian presidential election

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Article: Austrian presidential election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alexander Van der Bellen is narrowly elected President of Austria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alexander Van der Bellen of The Greens is elected as the President of Austria.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Independent Alexander Van der Bellen, a member of The Greens, is narrowly elected President of Austria.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Alexander Van der Bellen narrowly defeats Norbert Hofer in Austrian presidential election.
News source(s): BBC News, Deutsche Welle, The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: An exit poll has Hofer leading by less than two percent - within a margin of error. Result should be finalised tomorrow. Fuebaey (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

comment Same nom, same time. I just moved my blurb here as altbrlub.Lihaas (talk) 16:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Lihaas: A little early your prophecy in the altblurn, isn't it? Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yea probably, nor surprised at chicanery (a la French election a decade or so ago (what fun I had debating with my [black) French teacher (incidentally best, most neutral teacher ive ever had...spelled out her position and actually discussed with me at UVA) ;))Lihaas (talk) 22:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
comment point being, we don't determine "narrow" arbitrarily, reader can. And also mentioned party for context.Lihaas (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose image – Int'l media was only interested in Van Der Bellen as Hofer's opponent. With a president promising to continue the low-profile role of his predecessors, the lately appointed Chancellor clearly is the central figure in Austrian politics. --PanchoS (talk) 15:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support image. The head of state is more interesting to an international audience, and more recent. The narrow victory after a day of great uncertainty clearly is a major news story. --Tataral (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Recency is an argument, but why would a figurehead head of state be "more interesting to an international audience" than a powerful head of government? I'm not prejudiced against Van der Bellen, but while Hofer would have changed the political system of the Republic, it is very likely that the international audience won't ever hear about Van der Bellen again. The defeat of Hofer is the big news here, not Van der Bellen's victory. That's why I also strongly prefer altblurb3. --PanchoS (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think altblurb3 gives undue weight to the guy who lost the election. If Hillary Clinton wins the US presidential election, she will continue the legacy of Obama and many previous presidents and not really make any dramatic changes, as opposed to the American version of Norbert Hofer, Donald Trump, who has said he will persecute Muslims, build a wall and so on, and clearly have a more dramatic (in a negative way) impact on his country. But if Clinton wins the election, the blurb should focus on her and not Trump. --Tataral (talk) 17:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, Hofer conceded. Smurrayinchester 15:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Nenzing shooting

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Article: 2016 Nenzing shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Nenzing, Austria, two people are killed and eleven injured in a mass shooting, with the perpetrator taking his own life shortly after. (Post)
News source(s): Wiener Zeitung
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Nominator's comments: Not an everyday event in Central Europe Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Nick Menza

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Article: Nick Menza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6] [7]
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Nominator's comments: Drummer best known for working with Megadeth. Wouldn't make the cut in importance, but that doesn't matter during the trial. Thryduulf (talk) 13:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC) Thryduulf (talk) 13:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Featured on 4 Megadeth LP's that have all gone platinum (one went double), and was nominated for a Grammy. Rust in Peace was released on September 24, 1990, and debuted at number 23 on the Billboard 200. Went Platinum after shipping one million copies. Countdown to Extinction debuted at number two on the Billboard 200 with first week sales of 128,000 copies. Went platinum after shipping one million copies.. Eventually went Double Platinum with two million copies. Was nominated for a Grammy. Youthanasia debuted and peaked at number 4 on the Billboard 200, with 143,000 units sold in its first week. Went platinum after shipping one million copies.Cryptic Writings debuted at number 10 on Billboard 200 chart, sold 75,000 copies in the first week, and was certified platinum in 1998 by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for shipping one million copies in the United States. JanderVK (talk) 20:33, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until referencing issues noted in the nom are resolved. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Akhtar Mansour

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Article: Akhtar Mansour (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Fox News)
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  • Support article is extensive and well referenced. Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think this is written in an encyclopedic tone. While sourced, there is a lot of speculation in the article; including his place of birth, his interactions with other Islamic figures and his death. Phrases like 'alleged', 'apparently', and 'claimed' pepper the article. I will also note that the US government have yet to definitively confirm his death, only that they did target him in a drone strike and is "probably" dead. Fuebaey (talk) 15:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • As long as the claims are being made by specifically identified reliable sources and not being made in Wikipedia's voice then there is no problem with those sorts of statements - indeed if the information is disputed by reliable sources or there is no definitive information available they are required. As for the death, last I saw it had been confirmed by the Taliban (and a false claim of death would not seem to be in their interests). Thryduulf (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • At time of posting nomination, death was already confirmed by Taliban, U.S., and Afghan intelligence.. Baking Soda (talk) 10:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 10:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sándor Tarics

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News source(s): L'Equipe
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Nominator's comments: Oldest living Olympic gold medallist is now no longer living. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Alan Young

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Article: Alan Young (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, People. Reported on Friday, May 20 to have died Thursday, May 19.
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Nominator's comments: Star of the long-running US TV series Mister Ed. TheBlinkster (talk) 00:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Unless of course it's the famous Mr. Ed. Sca (talk) 22:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Accession of Montenegro to NATO

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Pick up your money, pack up your tent, this ain't going nowhere. --Jayron32 16:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Accession of Montenegro to NATO (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Montenegro and NATO sign an accession agreement, paving the way for entry into the military alliance. (Post)
News source(s): (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty)
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Nominator's comments: Significant international relations/geopolitical event.. Baking Soda (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. "Paving the way for entry" is not the same thing as actual entry. There's still a few steps for them to complete before they actually enter. 331dot (talk) 19:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Significance of event is its geopolitical signal (move towards Europe as opposed to Russia). All of NATO's members must now ratify the agreement, with Prime Minister Milo Đukanović expecting Montenegro to join by mid 2017. Baking Soda (talk) 20:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I understand but as of now I still think their actual entry into NATO is what would be truly notable. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Christian Kern

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Article: Christian Kern (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Austrian Federal Railways CEO Christian Kern succeeds Werner Faymann as Chancellor of Austria. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post and others.
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Nominator's comments: While the old chancellor's resignation was posted, the followup nomination got missed. Still not too late. PanchoS (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I clicked on the link in the blurb, saw a 29-year old foreign minister stare back at me and thought "those Austrians sure know how to pick their leaders." Unfortunately the actual article is barely a week old and still a stub. Fuebaey (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I thought it was another Trudeau moment, albeit a right-wing version. In terms of expansion, could add more on his political/business background. From reading the article, I don't understand how the head of a state company suddenly becomes head of government. Government ministers or people with political experience tend to get high profile posts. This seems unusual. Fuebaey (talk) 22:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Has been expanded and I think it's decent enough for ITN. Coincides with the vote today. Fuebaey (talk) 09:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Morley Safer

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Nominator's comments: Long running 60 Minutes TV correspondent. 12 Emmy awards, many others. Household name in the USA. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 17:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Cyclone Roanu

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Article: Cyclone Roanu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding and landslides produced by Cyclone Roanu (satellite image pictured) in Sri Lanka kill at least 58 people and leave more than 130 missing (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Sources may say monsoonal rains, but the system was the precursor to the recently named Cyclone Roanu. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Philippine legislative election

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Articles: Philippine Senate election, 2016 (talk · history · tag) and Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Philippine general election, the Liberal Party emerges as the party with a plurality of seats in both houses of Congress after the Senate and House of Representatives elections. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Liberal Party emerges with the most seats in the Congress of the Philippines, after elections in the Senate and the House of Representatives.
News source(s): Xinhua
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Nominator's comments: The legislative part of the Philippine general election, 2016. The winners for the executive (presidential and vice presidential elections) aren't to be officially proclaimed until early next month, at the earliest. –HTD 15:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose because both target articles suffer from large swaths of uncited text. --Jayron32 15:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • The large swaths of uncited texts are backgrounders (electoral system) written in summary style. I could just hide them for the meantime as that's a common practice here... –HTD 16:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh, I wasn't event talking about that. The background stuff on the election system which is citable to other articles is of minor concern. I was concerned about the larges swaths of text, about living persons and about the particulars of this election, which are entirely uncited. If you got rid of all of the uncited text in these two articles, you'd be left with some tables and a few bare sentences and lists. --Jayron32 16:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • I see. Currently, in the Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2016, the only section that has large swaths of text that involves people is the "Results" section, and every paragraph that I know of has at least one reference. As you've said, the "Electoral system" section doesn't need references, the "District changes" section has a citation for every new district created, the "Retiring and term limited incumbents" section is tucked away to another article, and I'm just waiting for the Commission on Elections to upload the party-list result so that could be done with.
        • In the Philippine Senate election, 2016, I've cited the large swaths of text involving politicians in the "Coalitions" section As for the "Term-limited and retiring incumbents", I'm waiting for the presidential and vice presidential election to have officially declared winners so I can cite who among them won and lost. –HTD 16:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • support now per improvements. --Jayron32 18:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment added altblurb. I'd hide the big empty table until the results do come out - it doesn't give any information and just adds more page scrolls. Fuebaey (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Articles sufficiently updated. SpencerT♦C 05:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marking as ready. The big table is no longer empty. Fuebaey (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Marco Pannella

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Article: Marco Pannella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Italian politician The Rambling Man (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Ongoing: Fort McMurray wildfire

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Not going to happen. BencherliteTalk (using his alt account Bencherheavy) 12:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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If Sca hadn't come to the talk page to bother, if not annoy or harass, administrators about the so-called tragic event, I wouldn't do this for him. (No offense, Sca, but that's how I see it.) To be honest, I didn't want to nominate it ever, but my ethics wouldn't be strong enough to prevent this from being posted per ITN rules. Therefore, quality becomes the main concern, which is not my strong interest for ITN... unless I have no choice. I know that Wikipedia is not censored, but I wonder why administrators like to put tragedies into the Ongoing section, like wildfires, airplane crashes, airport attacks, and attacks on a peaceful city. Nothing against administration discretion, but... never mind. As said before, personal feelings and ethics and morals are useless per ITN rules. Well, as I hate to admit, Anyway the article has events of May 16 and May 18 since the delisting. I don't know whether that is enough to relist the tragic wildfire, but maybe we should do the same with other American wildfires... right? George Ho (talk) 06:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC) Reluctantly modified post. George Ho (talk) 10:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the rule against such... "personalization"? George Ho (talk) 09:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More importantly, why would you feel the need to personalise this in any case? Are you trying to make a point? Take it up with Sca or to a talk page if you must. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) The 'rule' is that disputes with other editors should not be taken to this page; this page is to discuss the merits of nominations, not settle disagreements or disputes. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I tried discussing the discretion in the talk page, remember? I got the scolding. George Ho (talk) 09:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Show me the policy or guideline, so I can strike it out. George Ho (talk) 09:28, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you must see a policy, then here is WP:DR. Maybe more specifically WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE. 331dot (talk) 09:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I struck out the part about administrator discretion, but I want to leave in the first sentence (unless I feel pressured to strike it out) because I fear that the discussion started by Sca wasn't going anywhere. George Ho (talk) 10:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I struck out also the part about mocking the "quality" criterion. What else shall I strike out? George Ho (talk) 10:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article has not been receiving regular, substantive updates over a time frame that would make ongoing a good idea. If there is a specific event regarding the wildfire that you'd like to see mentioned in a blurb, please feel free to nominate for that. --Jayron32 10:47, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Timothy Wiltsey "cold case" conviction

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Not the sort of news that ITN handles. BencherliteTalk (using his alt account Bencherheavy) 13:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Timothy Wiltsey (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michelle Lodzinski is convicted of murdering her five-year-old son Timothy Wiltsey 25 years ago in New Jersey. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, AP, USA Today, NY Times
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Nominator's comments: Long the primary suspect in Timothy Wiltsey's 1991 murder, despite a lack of direct evidence, his mother Michelle Lodzinski was finally tried and convicted in a successful "cold case" prosecution that attracted widespread media attention. —Patrug (talk) 12:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] EgyptAir Flight 804

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Article: EgyptAir Flight 804 (talk · history · tag)
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Blurb:  EgyptAir Flight 804, with 66 people on board, disappears over the Mediterranean en route from Paris to Cairo. (Post)
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Some Daesh looney bin may well claim this,..Lihaas (talk) 05:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Man, look at the time stamp since I called it. #policestate running its course? so eas to guess #falseflagLihaas (talk) 18:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Will post as soon as the image is auto-protected. Smurrayinchester 08:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, forgot about that, but hopefully it'll be good to go in about two minutes. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fritz Stern

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesschau, Spiegel, AP.
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Nominator's comments: Important historian, consultant to the US State Department, part of Thatcher's commission to evaluate if German reunification should be allowed. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:33, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support for a blurb – For anyone interested in 20th century German history, Fritz Stern is a must-read. In January 1990, he trenchantly observed (in the New York Times): "The moral sphere also needs a reciprocal recognition of crimes committed, and apologies offered and accepted." That process still is still going on. Sca (talk) 14:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose in any form, article is highly under-referenced. Blurb not necessary in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added some to article, w/refs. Sca (talk) 15:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article quality and length is not commensurate with his stated importance. If this were cleaned up (mostly referencing issues) this could be posted easily. --Jayron32 15:17, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No blurb This is an RD case. But I agree it still needs work. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb regardless of quality - "retired professor dies aged 90" does not merit a blurb unless there is something more to it than that or there is exceptional public reaction. Oppose RD while there is only thin prose with missing citations. Thryduulf (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] Chibok kidnapping victim found

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Consensus against posting. Fuebaey (talk) 09:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ One of the girls kidnapped in 2014 by Boko Haram in Nigeria is found and reunited with her family. (Post)
News source(s): CNN BBC The Independent NBC News
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Nominator's comments: This kidnapping got a huge amount of news attention when it happened in 2014, and this girl represents the first one to be found and rescued since the kidnapping happened. According to above NBC News link, the rescue has been confirmed by the Nigerian military in addition to the BringBackOurGirls activist group (the latter of which might be criticized as unreliable). Everymorning (talk) 14:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Ongoing: Iraqi civil war

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Consensus against posting an article onto ongoing that isn't regularly updated. Feel free to reopen if another relevant target does appear. Fuebaey (talk) 09:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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On the May 17th current events template, the following news article is mentioned: "At least 44 people are killed and 90 injured in three bomb attacks in Baghdad, Iraq." The Iraqi civil war article piped in the article leads to a 2016 timeline with a running ticker of serious events going on in Iraq, mostly localized around the capital city. The death toll is mounting and continues to mount. We can turn a blind eye to this no longer. This is a hot war and it needs to be posted as an "ongoing event".--WaltCip (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Guy Clark

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Nominator's comments: Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter known for his influence on the outlaw country genre Teemu08 (talk) 17:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The Afghan capital Kabul is locked down as members of the Hazara community protest the proposed route of a power line. (AP)

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[Posted] RD: Emilio

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Article: Emilio Navaira (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): ABC News, Channel News Asia, The Independent
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Nominator's comments: Tejano music legend. I've noted one glaringly obvious omission from the article (that's in the cats, but not in prose). Once that's fixed, this is good. Fuebaey (talk) 14:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support A few cn tags need cleaning up. The article could possibly be expanded a bit in a few places; the last 8 years of his life and career is entirely undocumented there, as well as anything between 1997-2008. The current way the article is written, about 1/4th of the prose deals with a single car accident in 2008; that creates WP:UNDUE and balance issues that could best be remedied by fleshing out the rest of his career, which has to be more a more important part of his life story than a single car wreck late in his career. --Jayron32 14:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for an eminent musician, his article seems to focus entirely elsewhere, the music is secondary... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. This is near stale, and will be taken off RD tomorrow, and still has some weaknesses mentioned by Jayron and TRM, but posting for 1 day as a bit of a reward for those who improved the article since the nomination. Article isn't in fantastic shape but adequate for RD. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, a good use of IAR, the discog section is entirely unreferenced and marked as such, but I suppose some improvement is better than none and that's what the trial is all about. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Man Booker International Prize

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Articles: Man Booker International Prize#2016 (talk · history · tag) and The Vegetarian (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Vegetarian, written by Han Kang (pictured) and translated by Deborah Smith, wins the Man Booker International Prize. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, The Independent, The Telegraph
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Nominator's comments: New format this year. The prize no longer awards an author's body of work; instead the author and translator are both awarded for one work. Could do with a bit more prose. Fuebaey (talk) 22:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose current target, as the amount of information about this specific story is no more in depth than the current prose. Though if either the work had an article (it doesn't) which was of appropriate length OR if we highlighted her biography article (and it was expanded to contain a reasonable amount of prose about the work and the prize) I could support this. --Jayron32 01:40, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Support novel as new target. Looks good! --Jayron32 09:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Same reasoning as Jayron32, we need a significant discussion, whether at Kang's page or as a new article on the book itself, even if its not the featured link. It might be possible to borrow from the foreign wikis to do this. --MASEM (t) 03:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I chose the prize article because it had a good description of the new format, however I'm open to switching to the article about the book. Han's article is okay - mentions the book and prize - but more importantly, only highlights half the win (the writing, not the translation). Though I'd very much like to be proved wrong, I don't think an article about a 28 year-old Brit working on Twitter can be expanded past a stub. Fuebaey (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not a problem if the prize article remains the target for the blurb, its just that we need more on the book somewhere, and obviously the prize article is not the place for that. --MASEM (t) 14:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've also added a bit to the prize article. Pinging Masem to ask if they have any other objections. Fuebaey (talk) 12:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Posted] Youngest F1 winner

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Articles: 2016 Spanish Grand Prix (talk · history · tag) and Max Verstappen (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 18-year old Max Verstappen becomes the youngest ever driver to win a Formula One race by winning the 2016 Spanish Grand Prix. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 18-year old Max Verstappen becomes the youngest ever driver and the first Dutchman to win a Formula One race by winning the 2016 Spanish Grand Prix.
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Articles will be updated in a second. I will write the race report. Apart from that, the race article is in very good shape. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Trivial record, unless I'm missing how his age affected the race. First Dutchman, too. If he'd broken the time record, that'd be something. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:27, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
@InedibleHulk: I do not quite understand what you mean by time record? Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Me neither. I'd figured racing was a matter of getting across a finish line, over and over. But now I see it's somethig about points. Excuse my ignorance and replace "time record" with whatever measure would make him objectively better than the last guy. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:22, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
He won the race, which makes him better than the others in that particular race. Nothing more to say there. But he was the youngest to be the fastest in a race, a record unlikely to be beaten any time soon, considering that with new regulations, no other driver will be allowed to enter the sport at the age that he did. Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I may still be mistaken, but I think I might be talking about a fastest lap. If he breaks the record for most in one season, I might be impressed. Unless that doesn't actually mean he's consistently driving fastest. Probably best to just forget I said anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose This goes back to a ITN/C a few weeks ago, I think the election of the mayor of London, and my logic there that posting "The first X to Y" when we would not normally post Y is problematic. If the Spanish Grand Prix was an ITNR, I would see no problem calling out the age of the driver as part of the blurb, but here, that Grand Prix is not ITNR, so we're resting the weight of this story on the interesting fact about his age. That makes it perfect for DYK, but not ITN. --MASEM (t) 14:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If we're going to highlight something from this race I'd go with the Mercedes crash. This sort of vindicates Red Bull's decision to promote him but I'd agree with Masem, in that this is otherwise trivial and more suited to DYK. Fuebaey (talk) 14:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - since it's a dual record, first Dutch winner ever (add this to the blurb!) and youngest winner by a mile. If it was a couple of weeks, fine, but this is almost three years, and pretty damn unlikely to be beaten any time soon. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say first Dutchman is really not quite a great achievement. Where you were born (he actually holds a Belgian passport and only later got a Dutch one) makes no difference to driving a race car. Age and experience does. Zwerg Nase (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It does. If you were born in a country with an impressive F1 record, you're are much more likely to get proper training when you happen to be talented. (Even so, I agree that it is much less important than his age; see below.) Steinbach (talk) 20:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It was a darker time, and it appeared needed to lighten the mood. Today, good news is already leading bad news 5-1, and even the bad news article is just the anonymous, statistical sort of grim. Hooray! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:10, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
  • Support posting the youngest part. F1 is widely recognized as the top event across motorsports, and breaking this sort of record by this much is really impressive. Also, motorsport entires never get posted outside the end-of-the-year champions. Nergaal (talk) 20:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Formula One is a "team sport" but also one where the individual effort is much more visible than in soccer or baseball, for example. He is only just old enough to drive unaccompanied in his own country, the country where he won the race, and most countries in the world. This is the end of an eight-year-record, so it's not something that will be re-entering the ITN panel too often. And for a completely trivial point, the government of Niger would consider him incompetent to drive a car for the next five years of his life. But Dutch winner, no that is trvia '''tAD''' (talk) 20:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Almightey Drill: Had he won in the US, he would not even have been allowed to drink the winner's champagne... Zwerg Nase (talk) 20:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Zwerg Nase:, well I do remember Vettel being 23 and not being allowed to drink in Turkey after winning due to a new law. But, discussion of Turkey's new political positions can wait for another day!
Relatively not often. Happened three times in the last thirteen years and at least ten times in the half-century since Cleveland last won anything. And a national championship that someone must win every year is only relatively prestigious next to a world championship that depends on someone beating the best. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:12, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
64 years, not 50. And what does this have to do with Cleveland? The nominations are independent. This is a global sport we're talking about. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:21, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fifty years since Cleveland's losing record started, I mean. Breaking this one is relatively common. F1's more of a European thing, and MMA is more a North and South American one. So the significance is relative to where we're from, too. If I'd nominated Miocic's while North Americans were generally awake, it may have fared better. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:29, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
It was 100% opposed by mostly American editors. And if (on average) once every six years is "relatively common" then I'll eat my hat. The Cleveland superstition thing is great tabloid stuff, this is much more the real deal. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Six years is common, relative to fifty. I'll take your word that you even wear a hat. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:52, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Not when around 100 races take place every six or so years. You probably need to drop the Cleveland stick, you should know that a superstition doesn't belong on the main page of Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The superstition part only regards why they hadn't won in so long. The skid itself was undeniably real. I personally think it had to do with not playing well enough. Boring and true. Stick's dropped, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:00, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
A weird comparison. You take an alleged "curse" (ridicuolous in itself) that apparently involves their major sports team (all exclusively American sports nonetheless), and fabricate the curse broken by a MMA fighter? Where is there even a connection?! But well, that nomination was closed, and rightly so. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fabricated, maybe, but not by me. It's in the news, regardless of In The News. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:52, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
1) Very few people care about women golf compared to F1, 2) Rule changes mean this record can't be broken again unless the rules are changed again. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 10:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That nomination was about an award, other comments included: "We virtually never post individual sporting awards in any sport ", "This golf award is honorary", "We practically never post individual sporting awards, including much better known awards.", "we wouldn't post the men's equivalent award for the same reason"... so it's easy to cry foul and present only one aspect of the debate. P.S. And when you say Ko's achievements have been "consistently rejected", could you link me to each of them please, just for my interest. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
MurielMary, can you provide links to where Ko has had multiple nominations that have been consistently rejected please? Stephen 23:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Removed] Remove "Fort McMurray wildfire" from Main Page?

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I know that the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire has been ongoing. However, the response two days ago by Justin Trudeau was just thanking the community for trying to wither the current wildfire. The May 9 update was just statistics. Anything else after May 7... I don't see any other. Unrelated, but if 2016 Brussels bombings was delisted per consensus, this one might. The addition by administrator was... I can't say negative about it for fear of being retaliated, but I've said much already. --George Ho (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment @George Ho: it was agreed (again) only a few days ago that if an event is or might be still ongoing when its blurb falls off the bottom of the list that it is correct to add it to ongoing. Removal can be discussed at any subsequent point, but that discussion must not be initiated with an assumption of bad faith about the addition - your final sentence is wholly unnecessary and I would encourage you to remove it with apologies. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • remove. There have been no significant updates to this story since the 13th, and that was just the routine-for-these-sorts-of-events visit by a national leader, and I'm not seeing any significant news coverage from outside the region since then. If it flares up again and threatens somewhere significant then I think a new blurb would be in order. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're allowed to say I made a bad decision! My reasoning was a) there's a current event tag on the article, b) there's been a fair bit of editing in the last 48 hours (including a 20% increase in the number of buildings destroyed), c) it's still in the news (residents are just starting to return) and d) it felt strange bumping it for Eurovision. Smurrayinchester 10:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – As news it seems to be over. Even the CBC carries only one story – about an app using satellite images to document damage. Though dramatic, it wasn't so extensive as the wildfires in Western U.S. states last summer. Sca (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove for now, with the note that the addition to ongoing was fully warranted when it happened, and the admin who did so deserves to be commended for wise judgement. --Jayron32 00:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed Stephen 00:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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European Rugby Champions Cup

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Article: 2016 European Rugby Champions Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In rugby union, Saracens defeat Racing 92 to win the European Rugby Champions Cup. (Post)
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 The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded the article, with a couple of caveats: The background is still quite short and the route to the final is indirectly sourced. The match summary now has more than one source. Fuebaey (talk) 18:13, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Christy O'Connor Snr

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Article: Christy O'Connor Snr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Independent, Irish Times, The Guardian
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish golfer. World Golf Hall of Famer, "Himself" dies at the age of 91. (Suffix is used to avoid confusion with his nephew, who died at the start of the year). Fuebaey (talk) 14:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC) [reply]

  • support - top of field in his sport in his days.BabbaQ (talk) 14:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • support on improvements. During the trial importance is not a criterion for RD, but I would support on those grounds if it were. Currently the only requirement is an article of sufficient quality, and while it is nearly there it needs more references and while not essential more prose would not go amiss. Thryduulf (talk) 14:37, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based on Thryduulf's concerns. This is underwhelming, particularly for such a "World Golf Hall of Famer". Given the number of titles listed at the end of the article, I would expect to see more prose about at least some of the more notable/interesting of those. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment have expanded and added more references. Fuebaey (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Thryduulf and The Rambling Man: to ask if they have any additional concerns. Fuebaey (talk) 10:01, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source 11 which is used, seemingly, to reference every single element in the "Tournament wins" section contains almost none of the information within the "Tournament wins" section, nor do the results match the source (24 vs 23 etc). More work required on sourcing. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, only the final sentence of the "Early life" section looks referenced. The same source could be used I think to reference the rest of that section (and probably is intended to) but it's not clear whether it is being used to do that or not - make it explicit if it is. Thryduulf (talk) 09:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man: I beg to differ. From source 11, the table in the article falls under 'European Tour' and the other two headings split 'Additional wins'. The scorecards in the table are indirectly sourced to each linked tournament article. I will concede that one listed win is missing from the table (1970 Bowmaker Tournament), because our article on the tournament has a conflicting winner, but unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise, his other wins are sourced. Fuebaey (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then a footnote should be added to explain why the table differs from the only source. Relying on other articles to do your sourcing is also unwise. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Fuebaey (talk) 13:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thryduulf: The Guardian obit (ref 1), like DYK, covers the entire paragraph. I am unaware that ITN, or Wikipedia in general, has a "one cite per sentence/fact" policy. Unless there's something contentious content-wise (please point it out), I don't see a need to change this. Fuebaey (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Eurovision Song Contest 2016

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Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jamala (pictured) from Ukraine wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 with the song "1944". (Post)
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 BabbaQ (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Cleveland curse broken

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That's a no then. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:39, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Cleveland sports curse (talk · history · tag) and Stipe Miocic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Stipe Miocic wins the UFC Heavyweight Championship in Curitiba, breaking the 51-year-old Cleveland sports curse. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cleveland, Ohio celebrates its first champion since the Cleveland Browns in 1964
Alternative blurb II: ​ ESPN airs a 30 for 30 documentary about the Cleveland sports curse, which is broken three hours later at UFC 198
News source(s): FOX Sports, MMAJunkie, CBS Sports
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Both articles updated
Nominator's comments: Sort of local, but this curse is sort of national, and the event was international. Long time, too. And no, this isn't an MMA story. It's a Cleveland story. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:21, May 15, 2016 (UTC) 08:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think encyclopedias should report on superstitions. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The Cleveland sports curse (is that the article we are meant to be evaluating? the blurbs are very unclear) article lead strongly implies that it is only talking about the Baseball, NFL and Basketball teams and last I looked UFC was none of those meaning the curse hasn't actually been broken. The article is, confused, chatty in places and not encyclopaedic in tone. I also want to explicitly oppose altblurb2 even more strongly - we are not here to advertise what any one TV channel shows or does not show. Thryduulf (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as spurious. The nature of the Cleveland sports curse is in my view extremely dubious. The Cleveland Cavaliers have won two conference titles (including the 2015 conference title) and five division titles. A soccer franchise based in Cleveland was successful in the 90s. A UFC win would not break the curse in any case. FC Barcelona winning the 2015–16 La Liga title is a more promising candidate for promotion in my view. Capitalistroadster (talk) 09:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Conference and division championships are nice, but they're not quite the top. American soccer in the '90s wasn't a major sport. The La Liga article could use a mention of what sport it is in the lead. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:36, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I find calling this "Cleveland wins a championship" dubious(even if that's what the sources are saying) given that this is dealing with an individual sport. Miocic won the championship, not the city of Cleveland. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say Cleveland won it, and wouldn't say so if the Cavaliers win, either. The important thing is a notoriously disappointed city finally has someone to celebrate. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:36, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
I didn't say you said it, I said that the sources are saying it,including the CBS link above. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem saying that with the Cavs, as they are a team representing the city. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A source saying something doesn't mean the blurb or articles have to. Judge those on their own. According to Miocic's teammates, he represents Cleveland with every fiber of his body. They wear it proud, too. If they didn't, we wouldn't be talking about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:27, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose - there've been many disappointments on national level (e.g. Denmark has never won the Thomas Cup, despite making the finals many times). Why would a disappointment at city level be worth posting? Banedon (talk) 13:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's been the losingest major market in North America, across all major sports. Denmark's won a few games since 1964. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:27, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • Oppose The curse only applies to MLB, NFL, and NBA. Less popular sports aren't included, for example the MI S L Cleveland Force won several championships but not was to have considered breaking the curse. --MASEM (t) 13:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's because American soccer is way less popular than UFC. You can say you don't approve, but you can't say this doesn't count. That's for the reliable sources to decide. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:52, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
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  • A massive fire breaks out at a tire dump in Seseña, near Madrid in Spain. The illegal dump contains 100,000 tons of used vehicle tires. The smoke from the fire is visible for at least 30km. (ABC News)
  • At least one person is dead as a shopping mall being built in the Nigerian city of Abeokuta collapses. Unconfirmed reports indicate that ten people may have died. (BBC)

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[Posted] RD: Dick McAuliffe

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Article: Dick McAuliffe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press, ESPN, The Detroit News
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Nominator's comments: American baseball second baseman/shortstop. Fuebaey (talk) 03:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Sammy Ellis

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Article: Sammy Ellis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, LA Times, Tampa Bay Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American baseball pitcher and coach. Fuebaey (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note that we are currently testing the idea of posting any deceased person who merits an article, as long as article quality is adequate. Please see WT:ITN for more information. 331dot (talk) 11:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is indeed a bio that wouldn't have been posted prior to the trial. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And look, for someone who we would have deemed unsuitable for main page inclusion, 12k hits in a day! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Venezuelan state of emergency

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Article: 2016 state of emergency in Venezuela (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro declares a sixty-day state of emergency in the country. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, Reuters
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 Brandmeistertalk 14:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • support - important and escalation of events in the country.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I don't think I would say I oppose this but is this really that surprising given the nature of the government there? 331dot (talk) 14:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think states of emergencies are ITN-worthy, provided there's enough info. Regardless of how Maduro might explain it, that may entail some unpleasant stuff by the very definition of the state of emergency. Brandmeistertalk 14:29, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as excellently argued by Brandmeister. Banedon (talk) 14:34, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but some of the grammar would benefit from improving and the last sentence of the lead "The last state of emergency happened last year at near Colombian border for suspending constitutional guarantees." seems to be missing some key words. Thryduulf (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose; you wouldn't know it from some of the more hysterical reporting or from the Wikipedia article but this is an economic, not a military, state of emergency, and "state of emergency" in this context means temporary tax increases and limits on the transfer of currency out of the country, not tanks on the streets. The language may be more overblown than usual, but this kind of thing is fairly routine in any country experiencing rapid changes in the inflation rate. ‑ Iridescent 14:49, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    An economic state of emergency is still a state of emergency. For comparison we posted the January US Blizzard that also led to a non-military state of emergency. Banedon (talk) 01:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    When was the last time an economic state of emergency involving freezing of assets and / or varied tax rates without congressional approval was declared by the US government? The states of emergency you gave aren't states of emergency on a national level. Banedon (talk) 13:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    1971–73 was the last time crisis rules were imposed by decree nationwide and across all sectors in the US, but it happens on a fairly regular basis in Europe, most notoriously in Greece and Ireland a couple of years ago, while in parts of Latin America (particularly Argentina) "state of emergency" is pretty much the default setting. An economic emergency is really not a big deal, particularly in a country like Venezuela which is heavily exposed to fluctuations in the oil price; it's just a fancy way of saying "tax revenues are lower than expected so we need to either make some cuts or raise more money and can't wait until the next budget is due". ‑ Iridescent 18:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Iridescent, this seem a combination of trying to prevent the economy from falling out too much and a bit of political weight, but nothing like a military or natural disaster emergency. The articles note they called one about 6 months, so it's not an infrequent tool used there. --MASEM (t) 15:23, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Article needs major improvements , not clear from article that it is an economic state of emergency, scant on details. Baking Soda (talk) 16:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability only. If article is properly expanded, suggest 2014–16 Venezuelan protests also be included in blurb. Baking Soda (talk) 18:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Baba Hardev Singh

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Article: Baba Hardev Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
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Nominator's comments: Famous spiritual leader. 117.221.124.176 (talk) 17:44, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 12

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[Posted] RD: Mike Agostini

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Article: Mike Agostini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Telgraph, Trinidad and Tobago Newsday, Trinidad Express
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Trinidadian sprinter. Fuebaey (talk) 16:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted to RD] RD: Susannah Mushatt Jones

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Article: Susannah Mushatt Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, SMH, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: African-American supercentenarian. World's verified oldest person dies at the age of 116. Fuebaey (talk) 11:33, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support for blurb only. The death of the confirmed world's oldest person seems like something we'd need to explain, and this seems like the sort of death, because of the particulars, that is better suited for a blurb than RD. Article has no glaring errors. --Jayron32 12:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Article looks good on references, and as Jayron says, makes far more sense as a blurb. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb – Per previous. Would be good to have a photo. Sca (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb It's not significant that an old person died, and it is not a hugely uncommon or significant event. Posting this would lower standards for death blurbs immensely, and I'd rather not have consensus that every oldest person death should be posted. Nohomersryan (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How about a separate category for when the oldest Californian dies? Sca (talk) 15:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not every oldest person. Just those with good enough articles. --Jayron32 16:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Nohomersryan. If it was the oldest person ever, that's one thing, but the death of the oldest currently living person is too common and predictable. Some years, we'd be posting this story two or three times. --Bongwarrior (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this was marked "ready for RD" but I don't see enough opinions expressed about RD for there to be a consensus. As of this timestamp there is also no consensus for or against a blurb but I don't think discussion has yet concluded. Thryduulf (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This should be posted to RD per the current trial. It's been my experience that this sort of thing is not generally posted as a blurb, and even had a hard time under the traditional RD process(as being old is not considered a "field") but given the trial, can easily be posted that way. 331dot (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only, old person dies, and tomorrow, another old person dies, etc, so blurb is out for me. Article is interesting and detailed enough for passing per the trial. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, just RD then. Sca (talk) 01:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good work by One of Many in scarfing up the photo cited Friday. Sca (talk) 18:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Dilma Rousseff suspended

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Articles: Impeachment process against Dilma Rousseff (talk · history · tag) and Dilma Rousseff (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff (pictured) is suspended after both houses of the National Congress vote to impeach her. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff (pictured) is suspended after the Senate votes to open an impeachment process against her.
Alternative blurb II: ​ President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff (pictured) is suspended after both houses of the National Congress vote to begin an impeachment trial against her.
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: This was nominated when the lower house voted for it, but consensus was to wait until the Senate voted. And now it has. Smurrayinchester 09:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I believe she is suspended for 180 days(which is when the trial is supposed to occur). 331dot (talk) 11:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Our impeachment article says flatly that Rousseff "was impeached" by the Chamber of Deputies" on April 17, and AP headlines it "Senate impeaches president." However, BBC makes it "to face impeachment trial," Reuters refers only to "her suspension," and the Guardian confines itself to "stripped of duties." Suspended does seem the best choice. Sca (talk) 15:25, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it is different in Brazil but in the US impeachment is the House vote to refer charges to the Senate, and the Senate holds a trial to decide whether or not to remove the impeached official; in Brazil it seems that both the House and Senate must vote to impeach and then the Senate holds a trial. The trial isn't part of the impeachment process; that is how the trial starts. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It must be noted that the correct wording is "Impeached". She has been impeached. Being impeached means "being put on trial to decide if we want to remove her from office or not". Impeachment is NOT the removal itself, impeachment is the indictment. In the U.S., both Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were actually impeached. They were just never convicted, so never removed from office. --Jayron32 15:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
According to the legal scholars in the NYTimes article cited above, she isn't "impeached", as the Brazilian's define it, unless she is convicted and permanently removed from office. You are right that the US concept of "impeachment" is different, and applies essentially when a President is indicted, but that's not how the Brazilians use the term. Dragons flight (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone speak Portuguese? What verb do the Brazilian media use? This one refers to processo de impeachment. Sca (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 
Dharmadhyaksha's suggestion

Such a smiley face photo for someone impeached? How about a bit serious kind like.... Maybe crop it to suit ITN requirements. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:02, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object to it being changed, but I see no problem with using her official presidential photo. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With that frozen 'cheese' smile, it's pretty obvious it's an official photo, which seems appropriate to the context. Sca (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We routinely seek to avoid displaying "smiley" photographs of people in conjunction with negative news about them (and when we fail in that respect, this invariably draws complaints).
Posed photographs typically are more suitable than candid ones, and while they often are "official", that isn't a trait for which we have a particular preference.
Recentness also is a consideration. I found an appropriate photograph from February 2016 (more than five years newer). —David Levy 16:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That would be fine, IMO. Sca (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 11

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[Closed] Same-sex civil unions in Italy

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Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Italy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Italian Parliament approves same-sex civil unions (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Guardian, Reuters
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: "Italy has become the last major western country to legally recognise same-sex relationships" (The Guardian) Jaqen (talk) 22:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The target article has referencing issues right now. The entire first block of the "History" section has zero refs (where does all this information come from?). Also, the Italian Parliament article shouldn't be bolded. It doesn't contain any information about the event (nor probably should it, being an overview of the body, and inapporpriate for highlighting one piece of information). If we can clean up the referencing, this would be a fine article for the main page. --Jayron32 00:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, being the last "major western country" to do that is more like trivia, unlike the first country or the last country in the world. And picking just western countries is rather a geographical bias. Brandmeistertalk 07:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Although this is fairly routine at this point, and it wasn't done in an interesting way (unlike Ireland, where it was done by referendum, or USA, where it was a court decision), this is Italy, where the Church still has massive sway over social politics. Given how thoroughly the Italian Parliament rejected similar bills even just a few years ago, I'm surprised this happened so soon. By the way, I don't think Italy is the last major Western country to approve same-sex unions. Certainly, Poland is still missing (and you can quibble about whether some other Eastern European states count as major), and by the modern definition of the West, South Korea and Japan are too. Last in Western Europe, perhaps. Smurrayinchester 09:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it was attached as a kind of rider to a vote of confidence in Matteo Renzi, so that's quite interesting. Smurrayinchester 09:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support. The news is - if possible - even more relevant than last years's Republic of Ireland's referendum on same sex marriage, because Italy hosts the Vatican which has always opposed any regulation of whatsoever (either etero- or homosexual) partnership different than marriage, and because Italian politicians have been for years (and in some way some still are) prone to listen to Vatican's diktats on ethic issues. In political terms a wall has been torn down. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 09:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per TRM and Blackcat, since it is Italy. 331dot (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    331dot I haven't commented here. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I apologize for my error; I'm not entirely sure why I thought you did. 331dot (talk) 21:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. A nice development to this ongoing international shift in social attitudes, but at this stage I just don't think we can justify posting every nation that legalises same-sex marriage. Nor do I see any particular reason to single out Italy - yes it's a religious western country, but so what? Additional interest in western countries is just systemic bias, and there are plenty of other religious places. Now if Vatican City or Saudi Arabia were to do this it would be a different matter... Modest Genius talk 11:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Why can't we post every nation that legalizes same-sex marriage? It's not something that happens often, and it's also something that happens only once. Banedon (talk) 15:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Because even if it takes 15 years for the rest of the world to catch up, that's still an average of over one post per month for the foreseeable future, even if we only do each country once. I don't think it's justifiable to post two hundred stories on a single issue at that rate. Modest Genius talk 16:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't entirely believe that the number of posts made on a subject is relevant. After all, the number of posts made about general elections even for a specific country basically approaches infinity.--WaltCip (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    True, but elections are ITNR, and with 200 countries in the world hosting elections at a pace of roughly one per five years, that's something like 3 stories / month, but we still have elections on ITNR. Also "catch up" is unfair: it makes it seem like legalizing same-sex unions is morally superior to not legalizing it, and there are lots of people who will not agree with that. Banedon (talk) 01:05, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Modest Genius.--WaltCip (talk) 12:15, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose late to the party. I think now we're at the stage where it would require Uganda, Iran or Saudi Arabia to legalise gay marriage to truly make our heads turn. Even among European countries, Italy is not religious conservatism's "best horse", that title would go to Poland '''tAD''' (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we didn't post it three years ago when France instituted full-blown gay marriage. At some point we're just checking off a list. μηδείς (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Tony Cozier

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Article: Tony Cozier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the greatest cricket commentators. 59.93.230.123 (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose right now, for one of the greatest commentators (and I agree), his article is way below the standard we need, it's barely above a stub. I'll see if I can get some time to look into fixing it, like John Warr. 18:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Support on expansion. He was top of his field of cricket commentary and near the top in cricket writing so I would support this nomination even if the trial removal of the importance criteria were not ongoing. The article doesn't seem to have any major problems, it's just lacking in depth. Thryduulf (talk) 19:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per Thryduulf, this lacks depth in the way that a puddle lacks the depth to float a cruise ship. The article is marginally above a stub. Placing an article on the main page is telling people we have enough good information on a topic to make it worth their while to read it. This, is not up to that standard. He may be a legendary commentator and writer, but if that were true, there would be more to say than 2 short paragraphs on his legendary commentating career and one sentence on his legendary writing career. I would support this in a heartbeat if I could read about the full breadth of his career. --Jayron32 00:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Lacks depth in the way that a puddle lacks the depth to float a cruise ship" - Jayron32, I assume you won't mind if I lift that simile for writing my novel.--WaltCip (talk) 12:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A thank you in the acknowledgements page is all I ask... --Jayron32 14:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to weak support. The article has expanded enough that I wouldn't stand in the way of it being posted. --Jayron32 12:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Baghdad bombing

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Article: 11 May 2016 Baghdad bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A truck bombing in Baghdad kills at least 62 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A series of bombings in Baghdad kill at least 93 people and injure more than 165.
News source(s): WSJ, BBC, CBS News (CNN) (NY Times), AP
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Nominator's comments: Death toll looks high even for Iraqi bombings. Brandmeistertalk 16:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • At least 50 are killed in flooding and landslides triggered by heavy rains in Ethiopia. (FOX News)
  • 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire
    • Alberta authorities update information about the fire. About 2,400 homes and buildings were destroyed, but firefighters saved 25,000 others in the city, including the hospital, municipal buildings, and every functioning school. They expect most of the 88,000 evacuees will return to their homes within two weeks. The fire, which has merged with another blaze, is about 884 square miles (2,090 square kilometers) in size. The majority of Canada's oil sands industry, and a third of the country's total oil output, is offline, though Shell Canada has restarted its Albian Sands mining operations. (AP)

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[Posted] RD: Mustafa Badreddine

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Article: Mustafa Badreddine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Washington Post) (Reuters)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A high ranking Hezbollah member, heavily covered in the news. Baking Soda (talk) 10:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Mark Lane

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Article: Mark Lane (author) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leading JFK assassination conspiracy theorist – Muboshgu (talk) 00:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Sally Brampton

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Article: Sally Brampton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, The Guardian, The Telegraph
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Founding editor of British Elle. Appears to be suicide. Fuebaey (talk) 17:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Could you find a better excuse not to post her name? The mere image should not hold off the promotion. I support giving her an honorable mention despite some image. George Ho (talk) 00:20, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If my above comment won't do, I replaced the previous image with a screenshot. However, I don't know how long; the uploader still insists on using that portrait image. --George Ho (talk) 01:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well unlike you, I don't wish to post articles to the main page which abuse the fair use of images. It's clear that you completely misunderstand this situation, perhaps better to avoid this area of Wikipedia since here, a little knowledge is most definitely a dangerous thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We're just mentioning her name. It's not as if her death deserves a blurb or anything. George Ho (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You just don't get it. Do you even look at the target articles, check them for quality or for abuse of fair use? I'd knock that aspiration to be an admin on the right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The previous image was not a "copyvio", it was a non-free fair use image like the new image that has been uploaded by George. I don't see how the new image is any better than the old one, certainly it's worse visually. As for the other comment about a free image certainly being available ... Please find one if you can, I couldn't. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:07, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have formally disputed the fair use rationale for the image. I do not believe that any image used soley to identify a recently deceased person who was a high profile figure in a western country can meet the fair use criteria - principally repeatability - unless it can be proven that a free image is not and can not be made available. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Motiur Rahman Nizami

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Article: Motiur Rahman Nizami (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bangladeshi politician Motiur Rahman Nizami is hanged after being convicted of war crimes during the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War. (Post)
News source(s): (Al Jazeera), BBC
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 Jenda H. (talk) 18:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted to RD]: Kang Young-hoon

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Article: Kang Young-hoon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KBS World Radio, The Korea Herald, The Korea Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former South Korean PM (1988-90). Led first direct PM talks with North Korea. Fuebaey (talk) 18:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support For such a high-level leader, I would expect a longer article, but the article is minimally comprehensive, and fully referenced to reliable sources. --Jayron32 18:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose Changing my vote based on discussion below. I had been supporting this, but the closer look that Fuebaey has made me take in the article has changed my mind; the article is too highly flawed and incomplete to direct readers to. If someone were to fill out the vast missing areas from his life's work, I would change my vote back. --Jayron32 16:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per Jayron. The basics are there, and cited, but it's hardly sparkling. Could use some expansion, let's hope Fuebaey can do that so we can post this. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This has long since ceased to be productive.--WaltCip (talk) 20:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorry, unless there's something specific that I have overlooked I can't possibly fix something as vague as "minimally comprehensive". Although, if it only takes someone three minutes to write a comprehensive review then perhaps you're looking in the wrong direction for expansion expertise. Fuebaey (talk) 21:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I said "weak support"? I also suggested you could expand the article a little (just as Jayron had alluded to) since you had shown enough interest in the subject to nominate it. If you aren't going to do anything about it, fine. I'm sure another admin can judge it on its merits (and post it if appropriate). The Rambling Man (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, if you want a model for the level of comprehensiveness one would expect of the leader of his nation, take a look at Michel Rocard, a person who held an equivalent position, in a different country, at the same time period as PM Kang did. While that article has a few issues as well (mostly a few referencing issues), surely a high-level politician who held the highest office in his country, must be worthy of more than a page of text to describe his entire life's work and history? The article we have now on Kang is minimal. --Jayron32 10:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man: Yes, I can read. I'm not sure why you're being so defensive at my request for a more informative review.
Not at all, in any case it seems that Thryduulf may have been more informative. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jayron32: The thing is you're comparing the French prime minister (head of gov) with the South Korean prime minister (not head of gov). If you want to standardise articles like that it's unlikely that we'd have posted Young onto RD yesterday or any Asian/African/Latin political leader for that matter. What I was hoping for was if you could actually point out missing aspects of his life (does the article lack a ministerial post?), or whether a specific quote was missing a citation, or tag and discuss like Thryduulf did below. I'd prefer that to article padding. Fuebaey (talk) 13:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't need, of course, to be anywhere near that long. But I was just pointing out how lacking the current article is. Surely, there's more than can be said about his political career and early life than what currently exists in the article. ITN exists to inform readers with well-written articles, not merely just make announcements. --Jayron32 14:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no offense, but I don't think you understand what helpful criticism is to an editor. While I'm not expecting DYK/GA/FA style reviews, hand-waving is as about as useful as saying "there's a problem, I just don't know what it is". Fuebaey (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The section on Political Career mentions almost NOTHING before he was appointed PM. It gives no prior posts, and only a cursory mention of some events in 1961, some 27 years before his premiership. Are you saying the man did NOTHING in public life for 27 years, and then suddenly got appointed PM out of the blue? What prior posts did he hold? What actions did he take in those posts? The section on his post political life lists only an honorary knighting in 1995 and his death in 2016. So, you want specifics, here's specifics: We have, in the article a range of dates that indicates he was a public persona from 1961 until his death in 2016. Currently, his biography only covers events from a few brief windows of that time period. Even the section on his premiership has massive holes: one would expect a high-level official would be regularly in the news, and yet we only have the following events 1) an uprising in "Spring 1989", and some meetings with North Koreans in September-December 1990. Did he do nothing else to attract attention during the rest of his premiership? The biography should be a summation of his career; this one has giant holes which make it look like a bunch of random unconnected events based on whenever anyone who wandered by decided to add a random fact. You want specific things to flesh out, how about everything between 1961-1988, between his appointment to spring 1989, from spring 1989-september 1990, and since his ouster in December 1990. That's what's missing. --Jayron32 16:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And to be fair, if you're prepared to nominate it, at least do some work on it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
When someone cares to define "work", by all means. I can't subjectively mind-read. What's unfair is that you've assumed that I don't/won't edit articles, and a simple glance at this nominated article makes your accusation look awfully hollow. Besides, unless you can point to that consensus, I'm not going to be changing my nomination procedure to satisfy your own personal opinion. Fuebaey (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't really care, I'm not expecting you to do or say anything, but if you're that bothered, please actually present something we can post, even in this trial period where it really couldn't be easier. I couldn't care less in fact. Your hollow nomination(s) need your attention, or else we'll start to treat them as flippant and disruptive. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Tis a bit sad that you don't care about improving articles, but if you'd prefer to treat "my nominations" as disruptive please understand that you don't have to respond to them. Fuebaey (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's all I wanted to know. I apologise if I hit a nerve; my goal was for more detail, not to piss you off. I respect that some here expect "high quality" articles without clicking the article edit button, and I don't anticipate that changing. However, if you expect myself or another nominator/editor/interested party to improve it, a superficial review (like the drive-by !vote) is not the most efficient method to elicit a positive response. Fuebaey (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] RD: Chuck Curtis

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Stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chuck Curtis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star-Telegram
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A great American football coach. George Ho (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: John Warr

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Article: John Warr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cricket Country Telegraph
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of notable English cricketers, although not highly important. George Ho (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] RD: Comply or Die

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We aren't going to put a horse in RD. And please don't ask me what specific policy says "no horses in RD", because it will cause me to beat my head against a brick wall for several minutes. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Comply or Die (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A stellar racehorse if you ask me. George Ho (talk) 18:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Walther Leisler Kiep

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Article: Walther Leisler Kiep (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesschau
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Might or might not meet notability criteria. Probably not. But the article is pretty good, might be nice to have a GA in the ITN box for a change... Zwerg Nase (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] Philippine presidential election

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Consensus is to wait for the official confirmation. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Philippine presidential election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) is elected President of the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, CBS News, The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Unofficial estimate. Awaiting official confirmation in the next 24 hours. Article needs updating after that. Fuebaey (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Transit of Mercury

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No consensus to post. Fuebaey (talk) 20:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Transit of Mercury (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The planet Mercury transits the Sun (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A transit of Mercury (pictured) occurs, visible from Africa, the Americas, Europe and most of Asia.
News source(s): BBC, Daily Mail, New York Times
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Rare event (next one in 2019, then 2032). Probably better photos available soon when NASA uploads. Smurrayinchester 13:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I'm all for science noms, but is there anything special about this transit? Other than it being the only one in the next three years? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not particularly (although having 3 years between transits is an unusually short interval - the last was in 2006, so a decade ago, and the average gap is about 8 years), but there's nothing special about individual eclipses either (which are much more common). Moon crosses sun, Mercury crosses sun. This is a rare astronomical event, which is getting a fair bit of popular press (not just in places like the New York Times or the Guardian, but even in the Daily Mail). Smurrayinchester 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(Oh, while it doesn't make a big difference May transits are rare - transits more normally happen in November.) Smurrayinchester 14:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Au contraire, mon ami. It's not that I don't "like" it – I have no like or dislike notions on this matter. However, in view of the 'trial,' I withdraw my oppose. Nuff said? Sca (talk) 00:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully, although the trial only applies to RDs. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Doh! In that case.... (∧) Sca (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Austrian PM resigns

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Article: Werner Faymann (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Werner Faymann resigns as Chancellor of Austria and leader of the Social Democratic Party. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: EU head of government resigns. Like Germany, the Chancellor is the most powerful person in the nation's politics. '''tAD''' (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • At the moment, there's no update - no explanation why he resigned or who'll take his place. This is needed before I can support. Smurrayinchester 13:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ... pending article improvements – Apparently the resignation is related to the poor performance of the Social Democratic Party (Faymann's party) in the first round of Austrian presidential elections April 24, in which the populist FPÖ won a surprising 35 percent. Note, however, that according to Zeit his resignation was long expected due to eroding support within his own party. Sca (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on improvements The resignation of a sitting national leader is important, but we absolutely need to document why this happened in the article before ITN posting. --MASEM (t) 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Smurry. It's just a paragraph, but a fairly detailed one. Sca (talk) 22:29, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, the added para is sufficient for posting now. --MASEM (t) 15:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 8

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May 8, 2016 (2016-05-08) (Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections

[Closed] RD: William Schallert

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Stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:10, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: William Schallert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, CBS News, NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor and President of the Screen Actors Guild (1979-81). Needs more sourcing. Fuebaey (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The only significant part about SAG is its awards; nothing more. Also, unions of actors may be losing their grounds. If SAG were a country, I'd favor honorable mention of him. George Ho (talk) 07:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@George Ho: With the current trial, we no longer judge on importance- though I would state that even under the prior criteria of doing so, leader of the Screen Actors Guild would make him important to acting(which does and has done more than just give out awards). 331dot (talk) 09:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: John Young

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Article: John Young (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Per the trial RD period, here's an article I once 5x expanded for DYK that I wouldn't have nominated for RD under the normal criteria. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 7

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May 7, 2016 (2016-05-07) (Saturday)
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Politics and elections

Sports

[Closed] RD: Khurram Zaki

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Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Khurram Zaki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, CBC News, TIME
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Pakistani activist. Fuebaey (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good article with lots of sources. Neljack (talk) 07:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a couple of [citation needed] and a couple of external links inline to address before this is ready to go. Plus odd phrasing like "To understand the context of this and other protests with repect to Lal Masjid read this article by...." needs to be addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for now. A small number of problems, but serious enough to keep off the main page; problems with WP:SELF and WP:EL, especially in directing readers explicitly to links outside of Wikipedia in the main body of the text, and a few cn tags that should be resolved. The odd phrasing noted by TRM is also an issue. These are not insurmountable, but should be cleaned up before posting to the main page. --Jayron32 12:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Ann Day

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Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ann Day (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, NBC News, WSJ
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Arizona politician; sister of the first female Supreme Court justice. Is a stub and would need expanding. Fuebaey (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Bernardo Ribeiro

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Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bernardo Ribeiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek, The Guardian, The Independent
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Similar case to Ekeng, though Brazilian not Cameroonian. Article could do with few more references, but is otherwise not a stub. Fuebaey (talk) 00:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • How many barely notable soccer players die at 26 per week? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know. Is that rhetorical? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Too much of the biography is uncited. We need many more references for what is written there for this to be considered for the main page. --Jayron32 12:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I think we are starting to see the results of the trial run. A very minor player who only played 52 games as a professional and was never on his national team is to now be considered to have significance enough to put on the RD list? 52 games is not even two seasons of games and that's spread out over 5 years. Yes he died young, but based on his early career was he really expected to be a significant player in the future? If this is the level of football players that make the cut, then practically EVERY American football player will make the cut! Is that the way we want to go?? Rhodesisland (talk) 22:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except that, as it stands now, he didn't make the cut; adding this article is opposed on quality grounds. Comments about the trial run would be more useful on WT:ITN. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Indeed. The trial results so far have been very encouraging. People have worked on more RDs than ever before because once they are up to scratch, they will be posted. This is a good thing. But as Floquenbeam notes, this article is not ready to be posted, but should you wish to work on it, improve it to the standards required for main page inclusion, so much the better! The Rambling Man (talk) 04:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2016 Kentucky Derby

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Articles: Nyquist (horse) (talk · history · tag) and 2016 Kentucky Derby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nyquist wins the 2016 Kentucky Derby, extending his race record to eight wins in eight races. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The undefeated thoroughbred Nyquist wins the 2016 Kentucky Derby
News source(s): Balan, Jeremy (7 May 2016). "Nyquist Unrelenting in Kentucky Derby Victory". The Blood-Horse. Retrieved 8 May 2016.
Credits:

Both articles updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Annual major sport event, listed at WP:ITNR. This year's event notable for an undefeated winner. Montanabw(talk) 02:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@LL212W: This event is on the Recurring Items List(ITNR), meaning that no discussion is required on the merits as this has already been determined to be notable. This is very significant to the horse racing world and sports in general(over 160,000 people gathered to watch a two minute race) Still, if you feel that this should not be on the ITNR list, you are welcome to propose its removal, though I think it unlikely to succeed. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

May 6

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May 6, 2016 (2016-05-06) (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Law and crime
  • A man is killed, and two others are injured (a man in critical condition and a woman with non-life-threatening injuries), in the parking lot of Westfield Montgomery Mall in Potomac in Montgomery County, Maryland, near Washington, D.C. Soon after, a woman is killed at a grocery store some miles away. Police suspect that the same shooter may be behind both crime scene incidents. Police in both Montgomery County and neighboring Prince George's County are also examining whether this person is the same as the male involved in the fatal shooting the previous day of a woman, Gladys Tordil, who was allegedly shot (a bystander who tried to help was also wounded) by her estranged abusive husband, tentatively identified as Eulalio Tordil, 62, a former Federal Protective Service officer. (MSN) (CNN)
Politics and elections
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Sports

[Closed] RD:Chris Mitchell

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Stale. Fuebaey (talk) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chris Mitchell (Scottish footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Per recent deaths trial; unremarkable former footballer is front-page news in Scotland for "sudden death" at 27 (tabloids have already "deduced" a cause but let's not go there). I had a bit of a tidy/expansion of this article, I can still do more. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] RD: Patrick Ekeng

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Article: Patrick Ekeng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, 140,000 more
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well, by looking at the trial criteria, I have nominated this recent death. The deceased was not top of his sport, but the reaction to his death is in international news due to its televised nature, the youth of the deceased and the investigation which has found (possibly criminal) negligence by a private ambulance firm. '''tAD''' (talk) 21:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Reg Grundy

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Article: Reg Grundy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Australian, The Hollywood Reporter, Rheinische Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Grundy had a long career in television and helped create, produce or adapt some of the most well known Australian television shows, including Neighbours Prisoner: Cell Block H, Sons and Daughters, Sale of the Century and Family Feud. He was described as "the father of Australian television" and "a national treasure".[10] He was awarded an AC and an OBE for his work, and his surname became rhyming slang for underwear. JuneGloom07 Talk 14:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] RD: Margot Honecker

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Article: Margot Honecker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Welle Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First Lady of East Germany and prominent Communist politician in her own right (nicknamed "Purple Witch" for her hard line stance and considered "'the most hated person' in East Germany next to Stasi chief Erich Mielke") Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Unless they did something spectacularly radical, I don't see how a former education minister is ever going to rise to the level of justifying inclusion at ITN, since every country will have dozens. With the possible exception of Prince Philip when he finally drops off, "married to famous person" has never been considered grounds for notability on Wikipedia, by very longstanding consensus; we made an exception for Nancy Reagan but that was very much a special case, since she was an internationally famous and influential person in her own right. ‑ Iridescent 21:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose following Iridescent's rational above. There's a hint that her role as ministry of education and forcing military training is a significant (if possibly negative) contribution, but what's described in the article towards that is non-existent. I'd also beg that with the Controversy section with two maintenance tags, that absolutely would have to be resolved (and not just by blanking) before considering this for posting. --MASEM (t) 23:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Although Frau Honecker did hold an official position in the DDR, she was known mainly for being the wife of that last drudge of Stalinism, Erich Honecker. Thus she fails on notability. Sca (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • FYI Note the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: Wikipedia:In the news#Recent deaths section. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. Please evaluate this nomination based on this new criteria. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:27, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I hadn't taken note of the 'trial.' Sca (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Request: in view of "the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox", explained by Floquenbeam, can you explain how this was posted (as part of the new month-long trial)? Presumably on the basis that the orange tags mentioned in the one oppose vote were removed and in the light of one support vote? Why should one bother voting at all? You can judge article quality yourself? 217.38.119.164 (talk) 21:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quite so. I assessed the updated article and decided that it was of sufficient quality for the main page. You can vote, or not vote, that's up to you. You may spot some quality issues, or holes in articles, that would be helpful to an assessing admin prior to posting. Thanks for your interest in the trial. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Irish government formation/election of Taoiseach

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Posted, any genuine errors in the hook can be discussed at WP:ERRORS, any general approach to language and tailoring text for the masses can take place elsewhere. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2016 Irish government formation (talk · history · tag) and Enda Kenny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Negotiations on formation of the Irish government conclude with Enda Kenny (pictured) of Fine Gael being re-elected Taoiseach to lead a minority government in coalition with independent politicians. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Negotiations on government formation following the 2016 Irish general election conclude after 70 days with Enda Kenny (pictured) of Fine Gael being re-elected Taoiseach.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Enda Kenny (pictured) of Fine Gael is re-elected Taoiseach of Ireland and forms a minority coalition government.
News source(s): The Irish Times, The Guardian, Irish Independent
Credits:

Both articles updated
 Kwekubo (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support articles look to be in good shape. The blurbs are a bit wordy; I'm wondering if there is a way to condense it a bit. --Jayron32 17:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on improvements - Importance clear. The government formation article is fine, but Kenny's has several CNs and a handful of unsourced paragraph, including one under the Vatican part that includes unsourced quotes, which absolutely must be fixed. --MASEM (t) 17:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - but please make the blurb a little shorter and less "specialized" for people not so well versed in politics. Maybe a simply "Enda Kenny is re-elected Taoiseach of Ireland and forms a minority government." is just fine. Colipon+(Talk) 23:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Yes, but make it "Taoiseach (prime minister)" for English-speaking readers, please. Sca (talk)
  • Support alt II, without the "(prime minister)". The English term for Taoiseach is Taoiseach; the mention of "prime minister" in the article is an explanation of what the role entails, not a job title. ‑ Iridescent 09:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Taoiseach: "The words Taoiseach and Tánaiste are both from the Irish language and of ancient origin."
Oxford: "Taoiseach – The prime minister of the Republic of Ireland. – Origin: Irish, literally 'chief, leader'."
– Why not write in a manner that is readily understood by most readers? Sca (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For the same reason we don't call Angela Merkel "Chancellor (prime minister)", or Li Keqiang "Premier (prime minister)"; because "Prime Minister" is never used WRT Ireland, even when writing in English. Note that the term doesn't appear once on even the English version of his website. ‑ Iridescent 14:46, 7 May 2016
Chancellor and premier are in general English-language use; taoiseach is not. The term taoiseach would never be applied in English to any government leader except the Irish one, and won't be comprehended by most of the world's 1.2 billion speakers of English as a first or second language.
This is not British Wikipedia, it's the English-language Wikipedia. Sca (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nor is it American Wikipedia, so we stop using terms like "plurality" then, yes? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree it's not American Wiki. It's the English-language Wikipedia.
Is plurality unknown in British English? Sca (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, as you're told every single time the issue arises here; the British equivalent would be "largest share of the vote". Incidentally, since it appears to have escaped your attention, Ireland is not in fact in Britain. ‑ Iridescent 18:19, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Escaped my attention"? I know that, and I strongly suspect that you know I know that.
However, for historical and geographic reasons, I believe Ireland is – or traditionally was – considered part of the British Isles, and that the English spoken in the Republic of Ireland is a variant of British English. Correct me if I'm wrong. Now, how about having a civil discussion of the issue, without snarky asides? Sca (talk) 23:23, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing further to discuss here, the hook is accurate, the terms are linked where appropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I don't believe I've ever used the word plurality here, and I'm not fond of it for ITN purposes since it may not be readily understood by many readers. Sca (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More like "no Yanks." Sca (talk) 15:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And no Brits know the term 'plurality'. Your point is? Fgf10 (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC) [reply]
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[Closed] Boaty McBoatface

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Although I'm absolutely outraged by this, I agree with the consensus that this is not ITN, and would make an excellent DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: RRS Sir David Attenborough (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Natural Environment Research Council announces that the name of its new ship will be RRS Sir David Attenborough despite RRS Boaty McBoatface being the most popular in a public vote. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Natural Environment Research Council announces that the name of its new ship will be RRS Sir David Attenborough, although RRS Boaty McBoatface was the most popular in a public vote.
News source(s): (bbc)
Credits:
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[Closed] Mayor of London election

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Strong consensus against posting this item. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Sadiq Khan (talk · history · tag) and London mayoral election, 2016 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sadiq Khan is elected Mayor of London. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sadiq Khan becomes the first Muslim to be elected Mayor of London.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Sadiq Khan becomes the first Muslim Mayor of a major western city after being elected Mayor of London.
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Testing the waters here. London is one of two alpha++ global cities (along with New York) and one of four whose mayoral/gubernatorial elections get global coverage (I also saw a fair bit about Paris and Tokyo's elections in the British press), and the fact he's the first Muslim to potentially be mayor is very widely reported. On the other hand, we didn't post de Blasio becoming mayor of New York. Smurrayinchester 12:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support for the 'first Muslim' angle. de Blasio was not a groundbreaking candidate. That said, I understand not posting mayoral elections in general. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support both bolded articles are in decent enough shape for the main page, fully referenced and extensive enough. --Jayron32 13:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, I added another altblurb, the formulation "Muslim Mayor of London" has some grammatical/parsing issues (makes it sound like there's a singular position called "Muslim Mayor" and he's the first person to hold it.) I've rephrased to avoid the ambiguity. --Jayron32 13:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Still only a mayor, even if London is a top-25 metro area. Unless he is somehow promising to promote an Islamic agenda, his personal religion is a rather trivial matter (as is race, gender, family's national origin, what college he attended, etc.). For me, that bit of trivia doesn't overcome the fact he is a still only running for mayor. Dragons flight (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree that his religion is a trivial matter when David Cameron comments on it: [11] 331dot (talk) 13:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How does that change anything about the event? Sca (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel it doesn't change anything, I respect that, but it is not trivial when the head of government of a country basically states that a mayoral candidate in the country's largest city is associated with 'extremists'. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's part of the (domestic) news of the day, all right, but IMO not up to ITN standards. Sca (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe trivia is not quite the right word, but in our world of identity politics it is hardly uncommon for politicians to comment on personal characteristics that have little or no obvious connection to a candidate's capabilities and policy. We often see religion, race, gender being brought up in contentious campaigns. Just because it is a part of the political rhetoric does not necessarily mean we should also give a lot of significance to someone being the first X to be elected Y, if we wouldn't ordinarily regard being elected Y as a sufficient reason to post. Incidentally, due to a quirk of London politics, he is also only the third person to be directly elected Mayor as no such elected office existed before 2000.

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  • Oppose – Per Dragons. And, note that posting the election of de Blasio was unanimously opposed by five ITN regulars in 2013. – Sca (talk) 13:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This type of nom (the first X to be Y) is one we have to be really careful about because it has the possibility to propagate out of control. If we would normally post Y, then mentioning X is fine (eg mentioning Obama as the first African American US President) but going out of our way to post Y to feature X is a problem. But that does make for a good DYK... --MASEM (t) 13:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • We should make a decision if we want to fight bias or embrace it - we did not post Donald Trump winning Indiana, but every now and then some people will argue that so-and-so article gets so many page views which means people find it interesting, and if we're not here to serve our readers what are we doing? If that argument is acceptable, then since page views arise because of bias, we should embrace it. If we elect to fight bias then I would oppose this; if we elect to embrace bias then I would support. With all that said I personally think we should fight bias and therefore I oppose this per arguments raised by Dragons flight. Banedon (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak something or other I don't really mind either way, it's one of those stories that is interesting but possibly not notable enough. Would be a good hook for DYK (and we certainly need more of those). Laura Jamieson (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Masem's comment re the first X to be Y. Sca (talk) 14:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose mentioning religion, if posted I don't mind either way if this is posted, but if it is I would oppose mentioning Kahn's as it's not relevant to the position or his politics, despite the Conservative campaign going out of it's way to promote racism. Thryduulf (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I have seen this among the leading news items in France and Spain, no idea about elsewhere. On the subject of religion, it is true that this is not a defining part of his platform (he has spoken of the retribution he has faced for supporting equal marriage) but it has been the main cause of muck thrown at him by opponents. I see in the lead of John F. Kennedy he is mentioned as the first Catholic president, and that is notable in a historical context because of bigotry in the campaign against him, despite him obviously not turning America into a theocracy. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Sub-national election of an official with limited powers. Yes this is important for London (and for me personally, as a recent Londoner and frequent visitor) but ITN avoids posting local elections for very good reasons. Khan's religion is neither here nor there; the UK has long had elected officials from minority religions. The fact that this is the first time an elected London mayor has been a Muslim becomes even less impressive when you remember that he's only the third person to hold the position (after Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson). Modest Genius talk 16:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is pretty unremarkable, it's a mayoral election, I don't ever really recall seeing mayors of NYC, Paris, Tokyo being posted on here – so it's mundane unless we mention that he's a muslim. In this case, it may seem remarkable to an outsider who has the idea that we Brits live in some kind of Mary Poppins land, but it's really not. London is a multicultural city, which has elected plenty of non-white British MPs over the last decades, and Sadiq is in fact only the third person to ever be elected Mayor of London. So it's really nothing special, and posting it this way will just serve to legitimise the divisive campaign played out by his opponent. So not feeling it qualifies as world news. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 17:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Legitimizing it or not is irrelevant; we don't make judgment calls like that here; it is what it is and will be discussed as such. While you might not feel that it qualifies as world news, many news outlets would disagree with you. 331dot (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extremely weak support on the grounds of him being elected as mayor to one of the largest cities in the world. I do not think the religion is relevant. JFK's Catholicism would not have been emphasized were ITN existent around this time.--WaltCip (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extremely strong support: Alternative blurb as first choice, its historical and significant. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do the above comments represent the Extremist Vote? Sca (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Change of leadership of countries is one thing, leadership of a city is another. If this is posted, then the results of the Welsh and Scottish assemblies/parliament elections should be announced as well. Optimist on the run (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose the only real shaft of interest is the muslim angle, and since we're not in the game for righting wrongs, this isn't really a story of any interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support: the only thing really a story here is that he's the first Muslim mayor of a major western city,[1] though this also has problems no matter how you phrase it. I propose the following blurb:

Sadiq Khan becomes the first Muslim Mayor of a major western city after being elected Mayor of London. Nub Cake (talk) 01:24, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose – Local level elections are not posted barring something exceptionally contentious and posting this would set a highly unwanted precedent. The only angle being pushed here is Khan's religion, and it's not our place to highlight that as the most important aspect (it's decent trivia material, though). If you take out the religion, all you're left with is a routine election of a mayor, a story no one would consider posting. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a quote from his article "Tabloid sources reported that the imam of a Bradford mosque issued a fatwa in which he declared him to no longer be a Muslim; and police subsequently advised him to review his security" which alludes to him being a Muslim only in name. Nergaal (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment, the key issue here is how Khan himself identifies himself. That 1 local mosque imam disowns him should not be given disproportionate importance. --Soman (talk) 07:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Anyone can issue a fatwa. Khan isn't even from Bradford and has no links to this mosque - it's just a radical trying to cause trouble (if you read the sentence before, it was a protest against him voting for same-sex marriage). Khan doesn't drink and fasts at Ramadan, so I don't think there's much reason to doubt that he's a Muslim! Smurrayinchester 08:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose; parochial election of a local official to a largely symbolic post with few actual powers; the mayor of London isn't equivalent to the mayors of Paris, New York etc who actually exert significant control over their cities. Also strongly oppose the "Muslim" angle if this does run; "city which is 15% Muslim elects a Muslim candidate one time out of five" is totally non-surprising except for some (mainly American) media outlets who appear to think London is populated entirely by cheery Cockneys and loveable toffs. ‑ Iridescent 08:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Ready] Ahmet Davutoğlu resignation

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Article: Ahmet Davutoğlu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation, effective 22 May. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu (pictured) resigns following disagreements with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
Alternative blurb II: ​ Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation.
News source(s): [12]
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Nominator's comments: Obvious recurring item, PM being the head of government in Turkey. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on improvements/update - Importance is clear, and while the article is nearly there, there's a couple paragraphs that are unsourced and refer to "claims", thus absolutely requiring sources. Further, I would expect there to be a section regarding his resignation, while will likely have updates over time, but should be established now to describe the events leading up to it. --MASEM (t) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – notable political event. Baking Soda (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Mention is VERY brief in the lede. The main text of the article (probably the Premiership section) should be updated with a more elaborate text explaining the particulars and context of his resignation. Otherwise, however, the article is really solid, extensive and well referenced. If we can have a more extensive update, this would be a great article to link from the main page. --Jayron32 16:24, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a different blurb: Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu (pictured) resigns following disagreements with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan - also with an appropriate picture (see left). I've added a sourced section detailing facts about the resignation on the article. Nub Cake (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Putting this into the alt blurb and adding image into the nomination. Banedon (talk) 02:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Sca: You probably know that what public figures state (lie, often) in public vs. what they state in private is not entirely harmonious. I think Davutoğlu's public statements of loyalty to Erdoğan may have been in part to save face and in part to keep damage to the Turkish lira to a minimum. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 02:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, oppose until it happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks like the resignation is happening. Also, the article on Ahmet Davutoğlu is remarkably comprehensive. Christian Roess (talk) 02:10, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to post "Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation", full stop. The "effective 22 May" addendum bugs me in a way I can't quite explain. Is my suggestion acceptable, or does omitting that part suggest that the resignation was immediate? --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added your suggestion to ALT2. George Ho (talk) 05:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – It's been three days – at this point it's getting stale and has faded from news sites. Considering that the practical effect of his resignation remains unclear, that pushes it off the ITN stage, IMO. Sca (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] California marijuana legalization initiative

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consensus against, at least for now and possibly for good. BencherliteTalk (using his alt account Bencherheavy) 13:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Adult Use of Marijuana Act (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 600,000 California voter signatures supporting the Adult Use of Marijuana Act were collected, enough to put it on the 2016 general election ballot. (Post)
News source(s): [2][3]
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Nominator's comments: Timely and relevant – the entire U.S. West Coast and a significant fraction of U.S. population will be in decriminalized states if this passes. Brianhe (talk) 09:20, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments. First, this is widely expected to pass based on polling. Second, the story is going to be swamped by US federal elections this fall. – Brianhe (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bit crystal bally for me. We can't just post it based on "wide expectations". The Rambling Man (talk) 09:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] RD: Jean-Baptiste Bagaza

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Stale stub. Stephen 02:29, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jean-Baptiste Bagaza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Longest-serving president of Burundi to date, leader of his political party at the time of death EternalNomad (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] IBM's 5 qubit quantum computer is made available to the public via the internet

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No consensus to post this. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Quantum computing (talk · history · tag) and IBM (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ IBM's 5 qubit quantum computer is made available to the public via the internet (Post)
News source(s): Wired
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Nominator's comments: For the vast majority of us, this will be the first opportunity that we can access a quantum computing device. Count Iblis (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • In-principle support - a successful quantum computer will represent a huge increase in computing power. This is not a breakthrough - according to timeline of quantum computing quantum computers have passed the 1000-qubit mark - but it's still an interesting step in that development. With that said, I think for this particular news item, both quantum computing and IBM are too wide to be target articles. An individual article on this computer would be OK. Banedon (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The 1000-qubit claim associated with D-Wave Systems is highly controversial. Their quantum annealing chips operate on a different principle than most quantum computers, and it is disputed whether they are using quantum entanglement at all. They can't implement Shor's algorithm, for example. The largest systems not produced by D-Wave are much, much smaller. Dragons flight (talk) 09:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Won't say I'm an expert on quantum computers (I know the theory, but not the experimental realization) - still the Shor's algorithm lede says "Since April 2016, the largest integer factored on a quantum device is 200099, using D-Wave 2X quantum processor [13]" ... (off topic). Banedon (talk) 13:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe so, but quantum computers are fundamentally different from classical computers, with vastly greater potential. An analogy - the first steam-powered vehicles could barely move and had to be rested very often to allow the boiler to cool. Today, cars are ubiquitous. The same might apply to quantum computers one day. As for the publicity stunt angle, we have posted items in the past that are arguably advertising (e.g. AlphaGo), and will probably do so again. So for example if Virgin Galactic lands someone on the moon or a fully autonomous car become commercially available, I imagine we would post that too. It comes down to significance. Perhaps my background makes me attribute more significance to quantum computers than most. Banedon (talk) 08:28, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They may have existed for ages but there is no way you could have accessed one from your living room until now. There are interesting things you can do with just a one qubit system, e.g. measuring how it interacts with the environment. Suppose that the qubit is not going to be flipped from |0> to |1> due to interactions. But the environment will evolve differently depending on the state of the qubit. So, the environment + qubit initially in a state |E>|> will become |E0>|0> while the initial state |E>|1> will become |E1>|1>. Then how can we measure this effect by only measuring the qubit, as the qubit is not affected at all? This can be done by initializing the qubit in the state |0>, and then applying the Hadamard transform U which changes |0> to U|0> = 1/sqrt(2) [|0> + |1>] and |1> to U|1> = 1/sqrt(2) [|0> - |1>]. Note that U is its own inverse, applying U twice to a qubit brings it back to the original state. But due to the interaction with the environment this isn't the case. Computing U|q> with |q> = 1/sqrt(2) [|E0>|0> + |E1>|1> ] yields 1/2 [(|E0> + |E1>)|0> + (|E0> - |E1>)|1>]. So, there is then a probability of 1/2 [1 - Re(<E0|E1>)] of finding the qubit in the state |1>. Count Iblis (talk) 20:07, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious oppose. I don't know where this recent trend of nominating things at ITN that don't have Wikipedia articles can come from, but can it please go back there? What exactly are you asking us to judge the quality of? ‑ Iridescent 20:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Fort McMurray wildfire

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Article: 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Fort McMurray is destroyed by wildfire as its entire population of 88,000 is evacuated. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Wildfire threatens the Canadian city of Fort McMurray as 88,000 people are evacuated.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 1,600 buildings are destroyed and 88,000 people are displaced after a wildfire burns significant portions of the Canadian city of Fort McMurray.
Alternative blurb III: ​ 88,000 people are evacuated after a wildfire destroys over 1,600 buildings in Fort McMurray, Canada.
News source(s): (BBC), (CBC), (CNN) ect...
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Nominator's comments: Huge human tragedy and also main centre of Canadian oil industry is burned down. Jenda H. (talk) 13:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Blurb seems overexaggerating. Linked news stories and our article clearly note parts of the town are destroyed, but certainly not the entire town. (The full evacuation, however, is correct). Also to note that no deaths have appeared to be reported yet, making this a common wildfire and likely not ITN worthy, but I'm not yet fully assured on that point. --MASEM (t) 14:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added an altblurb. For now Weak support Article is barely above stub stage. Would be nice to see it expanded some. --Jayron32 15:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Article could use some expanding. 80,000 does seem like a really high number for wildfire refugees, though. The municipality's Twitter page is showing that the evacuation was successful with no injuries or casualties. Canuck89 (converse with me) 16:40, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
  • Support and propose Alt2 - the Premier has revealed that over 1600 buildings have been destroyed (the previous worst in Alberta's history was one third of this) and there are fears today could be as bad as yesterday. This is, without exaggeration, becoming one of the most significant natural disasters in Canadian history. Resolute 16:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT II - article needs a bit of structure (lede, May 2, May 3, May 4 etc?) but is otherwise good to go. Everything is referenced, significant evacuation of a major city. Mjroots (talk) 17:53, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and comment I have restructured the article and provided some significant updates. --Natural RX 18:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but no real decision from me on the blurb. This was the second news story on my radio this morning, and considering my radio was thousands of miles away from this disaster, I'd consider this to be noteworthy. Article is just about good enough and will no doubt evolve. Marked as ready, with a tinge of guilt as I don't know the best verbiage with which this should be posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per all the above explanations about notability. I've proposed a third altblurb as I don't like Alt1 and Alt2 is way too wordy for my taste. If mine didn't start with a number I'd have just posted that, but as it stands I want to get another opinion on it first. Thryduulf (talk) 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted, with my own version of Alt3, tweaked a little more to avoid starting the blurb with a number. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion Maybe we should mention that it's the entire city that has been evacuated. Tinss (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't actively object, but the reason I didn't take that bit of info from the original blurb is because we generally need to keep blurbs relatively short. So info like that, or the fact that the 88,000 were evidently evacuated with no injuries, etc., etc., would quickly overwhelm the section. That info is in the article. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I was weighing that when I proposed Alt2. I decided going with the absolute number was better for the blurb since it sets a figure people understand at a glance. Without knowing how many people live in Fort McMurray noting that the entire city was evacuated doesn't offer much context. i.e.: The entire community of Slave Lake was evacuated for similar reasons in 2011, and that was only 7000 people. Resolute 20:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another blurb proposed: A state of emergency has been declared in the Canadian province of Alberta, after a wildfire forced full-scale evacuation of Fort McMurray. --Jenda H. (talk) 08:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering how big the fire has become i suggest updating the blurb as well. Something along the lines of proposed blurb by Jenda A state of emergency has been declared in the Canadian province of Alberta, after a wildfire grows to over 850 sq km. -- Ashish-g55 00:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Are we sure all 88,000 have been evacuated? From what I've seen, the big evacuation convoy was only getting under way Fri. a.m. (UTC -7:00). And keep in mind there were 49 fires burning in an area of some 300 sq. mi. (210,000 acres). Sca (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is the number of actual evacuees according to the government. And it can get confusing because a large number of people on Tuesday were forced to evacuate north, into the forest. The convoys you are referring to are moving those same people south, back toward population centres. Resolute 16:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. How does this fit into that? Sca (talk) 22:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Convoys are making their way south. Best place to cover this is cbc probably not bbc. The fire are roughly the size of new york city. Our blurb seems to point out an outdated stat that doesnt necessarily show how big this fire is. again i suggest updating -- Ashish-g55 22:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
CBC noted. TNX. Sca (talk) 22:23, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[Closed] Donald Trump wins Indiana

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WP:SNOW close. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Republican Party presidential primaries, 2016 (talk · history · tag) and Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump defeats Ted Cruz and John Kasich to win the Republican presidential primary. (Post)
News source(s): CNN,
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Nominator's comments: This is a decisive win for Trump to secure the nomination even if he doesn't end up getting 1237 delegates as Cruz is now guaranteed to stay very so far behind. This means that if Cruz were to become the nominee in a brokered convention, that will destroy the GOP. Count Iblis (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Snooker World Championship

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Rhetorical question I guess, but it's Leicester. Not relevant here. 213.105.166.119 (talk) 22:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And they all thought Leicester were "dead and buried"? 86.181.130.187 (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Leicester City Win the Premier League

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  • support - historic result.BabbaQ (talk) 20:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but remove the sentence before the "," . Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 21:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why remove it? It has universally been called "remarkable" and "historic".
  • Support Alt. Greatest ever in this context is very subjective and not very encyclopedic, no need for that at ITN. Dragons flight (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, oppose the inclusion of 5000/1 or other specific odds. These values only really proves that the specific bookmaker(s) offering those odds wasn't very good at predicting the outcome. Yes, that's an indicator of being "unexpected", but not one that I would highlight in ITN. If one can figure out a pithy way of saying how bad their previous season was, I might support that. Dragons flight (talk) 23:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - will never be repeated, maybe the 'In what has been called the greatest sports story in history' could be removed, but I'd keep the first-ever championship. Lemonade51 (talk) 21:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In what has been called the greatest sports story in history" is one of the least encyclopedic clauses I've ever read. There's nothing in the article to suggest it's anything out of the ordinary. That uncorroborated phrase better not be included in a posted blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly haven't read any of the sources if you think this is nothing out of the ordinary. 213.105.166.119 (talk) 21:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing in the Wikipedia article to suggest it's out of the ordinary. You clearly haven't read the target page. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support For the reasons already stated. However, I agree that the "In what has been called..." part is unnecessary. While there hasn't been anything to compare this to, I don't see why a simple "In association football, Leicester City win the Premier League" isn't sufficient enough. -- Anc516 (Talk ▪ Contribs) 21:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT - I'm not a footy fan, but this is a historic win. Mjroots (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I edit conflicted this nom. While I don't mind either way, chances are this won't get posted until some prose is added. Someone needs to add an update of the season so far or at least write something like what we posted last season. Fuebaey (talk) 21:40, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The odds before the season were 5000/1. Ranieri just sacked from Greece? The pizza deal?? Jumpers for goalposts, ooh, you know, isn't it?? 86.181.130.187 (talk) 21:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the article is updated. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose obviously going to be posted, but it needs updating and the article is woefully short on prose. When posted I support using alt1. AIRcorn (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb to emphasise how unlikely this win was. 213.105.166.119 (talk) 22:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Something needs to be said about how incredible the win was. The links given show how historic and unlikely it was and also put it in perspective for the American users Torqueing (talk) 22:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is just the regular end of the EPL right? They got the most points and won? If so, it's ITN/R and gets posted every year (even if it's just a qualifier for EN teams to get into some European contest that we also post). --166.173.250.245 (talk) 23:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Premiership is a simple league, and Leicester have won by getting both more points than anyone else and by being further ahead of the second place team than there are points available from remaining matches (They have 77 points, Tottenham in second place have 70 but they have only one match remaining and so cannot score more than 73 points). They have won the most prestigious* competition in English football (*although some people might say the FA Cup is equally so). There is no equivalent to the post-season seen in some(?) US sports, after next week's matches the season is over. By virtue of winning the premier league Leicester will qualify for some European competition (Champions League I think) next season, which they will play in parallel with the domestic season starting in August/September. Other English teams are also in this (qualifying rounds for) and other European competitions (e.g. by winning the FA cup), but again that's next season. Thryduulf (talk)
  • Support alt2. Thryduulf (talk) 00:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt 1 the other two blurbs are sensationalist. Banedon (talk) 00:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until someone who is knowledgable about and enjoys this sport adds some prose to the article. Its pages of tables with no summary of the season. Can we get at least a page of text on season highlights? A paragraph about Leister's season and the importance of the win? Some text would be nice for the main page. --Jayron32 01:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT1 - normally posted as a recurrent event, but this season more than most. Conay (talk) 03:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 – Definitely the greatest achievement in English football history. Article does need a little updating, but I think it should be in the news anyway. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 06:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Hyperbole? I don't know about you, but in my mind the "greatest achievement" would be a record like the best season ever, or the most consecutive wins, or the most championship titles. Being the most improved team, or overcoming long odds, makes for a great story but that doesn't seem like much of an argument for being the single greatest accomplishment in football ever. Dragons flight (talk) 07:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't really matter what you personally think. The reliable sources are using phrases like "one of the greatest sporting stories of all time". The Rambling Man (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a great story. Who doesn't like an underdog? It might even be among the greatest sports stories (though that phrase clearly gets overused [15], and isn't a very encyclopedic thing to say in our own voice). But we are grading on a curve. If Chelsea or Manchester had a 22-11-3 season to clinch the title, we'd still post it, but we wouldn't be thinking it was greatest thing ever. We could equally point to reliable sources noting that Leicester are among the least successful teams to ever reach the title [16], with only a handful of teams managing to earn the title with so few wins. Regardless, a winner is a winner, even if it wasn't the winningest of seasons, they deserve to be on ITN. I like the Leicester City story, and I think it is a great story, but labeling it as the greatest achievement in football still strikes me as bald hyperbole. Dragons flight (talk) 10:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said, it doesn't really matter about your personal criteria, we'll stick to the reliable sources and what they say. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    You often make that argument TRM, but as far as I am concerned, ITN is an area where considerable editorial discretion and judgment is important. Obviously, we rely on the reliable sources, but our blurbs can only post a tiny fraction of what they say. And only a tiny fraction of all news stories make it to ITN at all. If we were just going on what reliable sources are saying, we would probably be leading with the Indiana primary right now. Obviously, what goes in articles can elaborate multiple viewpoints, but this discussion page needs both sources and editorial judgment. Dragons flight (talk) 10:34, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    If my opinion is in the minority, that's fine. I'm a big boy. I can move on and it doesn't matter. But saying my opinion (or other people's opinion) is irrelevant isn't really in line with how consensus is expected to work. Dragons flight (talk) 10:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the top story on the global BBC website with the subheading of "one of the most unlikely achievements in sporting history". That's reliable, that's just fine for us. Anyway, it's posted now and this is serving no purpose at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALTs 1 or 2 (ALT2 might be more "sensationalist", but it's also more interesting to people to who only casually follow footie) - but I think Leicester City should be bolded. BTW in previous years we waited until the season ended, but this would be a mistake - a) this is in the news now, and b) all the European leagues finish at pretty much the same time, so the box ended up totally stuffed with football. Smurrayinchester 07:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article Leicester City redirects to Leicester City F.C.. Also suggest that the blurb links to 2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season in addition to (or instead of) Leicester City F.C. Gfcvoice (talk) 08:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted now that 2015–16 Premier League has its text update. Used alt-blurb 2 (but would be happy to change to ALT1, since both seemed equally popular) - didn't link 2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season since it's effectively just an almanac with no text. Smurrayinchester 09:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting Support for ALT2, which is the current blurb. Good to reflect the outsider status. starship.paint ~ KO 10:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Honestly? We're going to editorialize - and face it, you are editorializing - with loose English and slang like "5000/1 outsiders"? Yes, Leicester City's run is pretty damn special for those who are aware of the context, the current hook is pretty damned unprofessional. Resolute 22:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose on article quality - almost completely unsourced section on academic achievements; claim at end of lede about inspiting Tetris is uncited etc etc. Also the article on Golomb coding has no citation to the claim that he invented it. And also don't see this RD in the mainstream media. MurielMary (talk) 09:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article quality issues are easily surmountable (the Tetris claim, for example, is in the Daily Trojan article linked above). Golomb was a notable figure in the field of recreational mathematics; IEEE has already posted an obituary and we can expect further obituaries and eulogies in other media as the news propagates. —Psychonaut (talk) 12:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is still showing a maintenance tag. If the issues are easily surmountable, please surmount them and let me know so we can get this posted, otherwise it's going to drop off as stale. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on sourcing improvements per MurielMary and Psychonaut. Importance seems met otherwise. --MASEM (t) 14:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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