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September 19

Uploading logos from official Facebook pages?

What is the policy regarding official logos found in Facebook? I was planning to upload church logos from official Facebook pages of churches to be used only in their respective articles' infoboxes. Are we allowed to upload such logos to Commons or Wikipedia under a Fair Use license or something else? Sanglahi86 (talk) 11:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sanglahi86 welcome to help desk! Logos are usually copyrighted (likely so) in which case they cannot be uploaded to Commons, but they can be uploaded to Wikipedia, provided they comply with Wikipedia:Logos criteria, specifically being used inside an actual mainspace article and other WP:NFCC criteria. This goes above and beyond the general Fair use criteria that newspapers might use. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Specific Dump

Hi, I would like a dump for the following: All Featured articles, All featured lists, All good articles, and all Vital Articles (All levels). Preferrably in separate files for each of the requests. And also preferably in html, pdf, or a similar format. I don’t like the xml one due to it having the coding and unnecessary stuff included. Is this possible? Thanks, MrM MiniMikeRM (talk) 12:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@MiniMikeRM Help:Export doesn't reveal any obvious solutions. This might be a better question for Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Downloading all articles and filtering might be the other possibility. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

There have been a few similar questions both here and at the Teahouse recently. @MiniMikeRM, is this related to a school project? Madam Fatal (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Both for school and personal MiniMikeRM (talk) 11:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion: Draft space vs. drafts in user space

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Candidates states that respective article for deletion "are not moved to user space for fear of establishing a precedent that any premature article about an as-yet-unelected candidate for office can be kept in draftspace pending election returns, effectively making draftspace a repository for campaign brochures". This sentence mixes draft space and user space. Please for clarification: When an article for deletion is considered good enough to be kept as a draft - when is it moved to draft space, when to user space? --KnightMove (talk) 15:01, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KnightMove. I very much suspect that that sentence partly predates the introduction of Draft space. Since Draft space has been around, I've never heard of anybody moving an article from mainspace (or Draft space) to User space.

I suggest that "user" should be replace by "draft" - but it's probably best to ask on the talk page of the page you've quoted. ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Please a follow-up question: Do you remember how it was called in the past when an Article for Deletion got moved into user space? I see that now the result of a discussion may be "The result was Draftify." In former times, I have found "The result was incubate." to move the page to Wikipedia:Article Incubator/pagename. Are there examples for pages being moved to userspace in those cases, and how has the result been called then? --KnightMove (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, KnightMove. Have a look at WP:Userfication. I don't think it's had any real edits since 2022. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 19 Se tember 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Then as probably last question: How was the AfD discussion result then worded? I would assume "The result was userfy.", but Google finds for this wording only one single example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ela Mishra (from 2021). --KnightMove (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I have seen "The result was userfy" as the outcome, but only in WP:MfD for essays that are published to Wikipedia: space when they should stay as user essays or projects. Reconrabbit 18:04, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Templates are sometimes userfied as well. Articles almost never, as far as I'm aware. Folly Mox (talk) 16:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

This search shows a half dozen articles userfied from AfD within the past two years. Folly Mox (talk) 16:17, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! --KnightMove (talk) 11:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Laura Loomer

Laura Loomer posted on X that there are Wiki articles about her that are not true but you will not allow her to delete or refute them. Is this true? 108.51.235.29 (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Obviously there is the article Laura Loomer, and when she is considered relevant and a public figure, then she has no right to get her article deleted. I won't get into this whether she tries to get biased content removed, or wants to introduce biased content herself, or both. --KnightMove (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

It is not true that she is not allowed to refute what is said about her, but she may not know the right way to do it. If Loomer or anyone else has specific concerns about that article, the place to discuss it is Talk:Laura Loomer. Another, higher visibility option is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. Cullen328 (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

By the way, the archives of the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard show that Laura Loomer has been discussed there three times over the years. Cullen328 (talk) 16:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

What she wrote was:

Not only did the media attack me nonstop this last week, but they completely rewrote my Wikipedia page. And it doesn’t even allow me to change the lies. So much bias.

so obviously her comments are very reliable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Buxreal/sandbox

Hello, several weeks ago I created the Buxreal/sandbox page by inserting the contents related to the activities of an event created by me and entitled Cross Cities. The contents were largely copied from the website https://crosscities.cloud created by me and where all the contents (texts, img, video...) were equally elaborated and inserted by me. Having said this, the page is no longer visible because I was accused of appropriating contents subject to copyright but, despite having reported that all the contents were my intellectual property to the Wikipedia contact who had deleted the page, he did not respond to me. To date I have created a new Cross Cities/sandbox page in which I would like to report the contents already well organized in the deleted one. I kindly ask you to allow me to review the Buxreal/sandbox page so as to copy the code and transfer it to this new one.

Thank you for your support

Maurizio Chiantone Buxreal (talk) 18:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Buxreat.

First, as to the issue of copyright: if the material has previously been published anywhere, unless that publication explicitly releases it either into the public domain or under a copyleft licence such as CC-BY-SA, then Wikipedia will assume it is copyright. You can override this only by sending a mail according to donating copyright materials.

However, there is no point in doing so, because material from the event's website (whoever writes it) is unlikely to be of much use in writing a Wikipedia article about the event. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Unless you can find several sources that are wholly independent of you and your event - not written or published by the event, and not based on an interview or press release, but people wholly unnconnected with you choosing to write in depth about the event - then the event will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article will be possible.

Two further points to note: one is that promotion of any kind is not permitted in Wikipedia.

The other is that if you are associated with the event, then you have a conflict of interest: this does not prevent you from working on such an article, but it does put some restrictions.

Also note that ie there is an article about your event, whoever writes it, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, and it will not necessarily say what you would like it to say. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Nudity

What is nudity 41.122.131.24 (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Nudity. Edgewurth (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Distressing bug

Hello! At some point over the past couple of hours, Andrew Jackson and the slave trade in the United States#Individual slave sales many/all templates are throwing bright red Expression error: Unexpected < operator'''in '''The time allocated for running scripts has expired. error messages. I don't know what I did it or how to fix it. Help? jengod (talk) 21:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Well now it's magically fine again. Thank you to whomever fixed it or reverted my hallucination. appreciate it.

Resolved

jengod (talk) 21:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

jengod, it could be that there are too many templates on the page, there is a similar discussion today at #The time allocated for running scripts has expired error after editing. TSventon (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

LOL how you dare you suggest my article with 24 explanatory footnotes might be bloated. (Ha!) I think I definitely had it in my head that moar templates was an unalloyed good. Anyway thank you for the info and motivation to rework and spin off a couple of baby articles, etc. Appreciate it. jengod (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

My monthly donation

I see on my bank statement that I donate 5.00 per month. How do I find that on Wikipedia? Whalerson (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

You can't find it on Wikipedia, because donations are handled by the Wikimedia Foundation, and don't impinge directly on Wikipedia. See Donate:FAQ ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no ethical way to connect your anonymous Wikipedia username Whalerson with any real person who may or may not have donated money to the Wikimedia Foundation. The ability to do so would be a monumental violation of your privacy. I happen to voluntarily disclose my real world identity after seriously pondering the implications which have included targeted death threats against me to intimidate me for my Wikipedia editing. But all editors who wish to remain anonymous should have that right, without anyone knowing how many dollars if any they have donated. That is the path to corruption. Cullen328 (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the OP might want to know how to change their donation. If I knew, I wouldn't have a problem with simply answering the question. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Whalerson: If that's what you want then see See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I found I have a letter I saved in my email that explains how and gives an address. Prime Hunter, I followed your link to a complicated phenomenon, had been there already. Whalerson (talk) 18:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, to elaborate, the Wikimedia Foundation has no central "online portal" thing where donors who signed up for recurring donations can go to view and change/cancel their donations, along the lines of what various large non-profit organizations have. The way you manage a recurring donation is by sending them an e-mail and waiting for an employee to manually handle your request. Arguably this is suboptimal. We here have no control over what they do/don't; if you wish to express your desires to the Foundation you may contact them at this link. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)