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Wisconsin Geography

This was incorrectly placed on the Wisconsin geography page

Category:Geography of Minneapolis–Saint Paul 135.134.231.118 (talk) 01:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing it so maybe it has been fixed. If not, please link to the page you see the problem on. RudolfRed (talk) 01:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@User:RudolfRed The Category itself is in the Category:Geography of Wisconsin. That might or might not be appropriate. The Twin Cities metropolis does butt up against the state line; no doubt there are suburbs in Wisconsin. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

permission to use a picture

Baqerabad Castle - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baqerabad_Castle#References

could you please give me permission to use a picture of the castle in my academic paper. Sociologist2015 (talk) 03:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sociologist2015: Permission is already given by the license, which is [1] In short, you can use the image for any purpose as long as you give attribution and release any modifications under the same license, but read the license for all the details. RudolfRed (talk) 03:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Uploading image: not registered editor

A friend, not at all keen on IT though uses email, has taken a photo which would improve an article I have edited. She is not a registered editor and is not interested in editing. As far as I can see, the upload process, whether to Commons or to en.wiki, requires her to be registered. Her reaction is "I really don’t want to have to set up a Wikipaedia account", though I've told her how simple it is to do so. So:

1. Is there any way for her to upload her photo without registering? or
2. Is there any document I can show her which promises that registering an account will not mean that she gets emails from Wikipedia, which I guess is her fear? or
3. Any other ideas on how I can get her photo into the article? PamD 05:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

PamD, I don't get email from Wikipedia, from Wikimedia Commons, from the WMF, etc. Other than occasionally, when somebody clicks on my "Email this user", after I opted to accept such mail. Same for you? If so, just tell her not to opt to receive email. Done. (And Wikimedia Commons, not Wikipedia, is where to upload.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary I don't get wikipedia junkmail either, but it would be nice to be able to point her to a statement saying "Registering an account will not mean that you start getting emails from Wikipedia"! Do we have a page pointing out the advantages of registering and spelling out that there are no disadvantages to doing so? PamD 07:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@PamD You are not even required to enter an email address to register; it is optional. There are many advantages to creating an account and I suggest you read Wikipedia:Why create an account? Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

PamD, another option might be the VRT process, where your friend would send a release statement by email, allowing you to upload the file in her stead. That'd still reveal her email address to VRT, though. Rummskartoffel 10:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rummskartoffel Thanks, that might work - I'll see whether she'd be happy with that, as she's quite keen to improve the article by offering the photo, just very wary of signing up to anything! PamD 11:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Jason Miller

Jason Miller was a playwright; but he was also an Academy-award nominated actor... Why does his page say ONLY Playwright in parentheses, that's very silly and misleading... especially since he's more known as an actor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Jason+Miller+(playwright)

2600:6C50:7A7F:1C3E:942A:73D8:58AB:DFE (talk) 06:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The title (currently Jason Miller (playwright)) (i) should distinguish the man among the various Jason Millers and (ii) shouldn't be misleading. The current title doesn't deny that he was an actor. If you believe that he's more notable as an actor than as a playwright, you're welcome to argue that the article should be moved to (i.e. renamed) Jason Miller (actor). Please read Wikipedia:Requested moves#CM on how to go about this. -- Hoary (talk) 07:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Additional Image

If it is indeed legal to use the cover of "The Resurrection of Pigboy Crabshaw" by The Butterfield Blues Band I think it would be great to include the other side. Excellent portrait photograph of the band as well as track listings and lack of copyright year as it was legal to exclude back then. Unfortunately my copy is in less than perfect condition, but I would submit it if there were no other options (which I doubt; fantastic album!). Inner sleeve is just the standard Elektra pattern. Glizhnegrobichan (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that would qualify as fair use. Lack of "copyright year" is irrelevant. Shantavira|^{feed me} 06:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

How to access user boxes?

Please help ManCityFanIndian (talk) 08:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

hi @ManCityFanIndian and welcome to Wikipedia! info regarding userboxes may be found at Userboxes. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I add the source of an image

I need to appropriately source an image that I created myself on a page I have authored and can't figure out how to do it right. Rudard (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Rudard, please could you link the page and the image and say what information you are trying to add? TSventon (talk) 09:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fair

I'm received a notice that I had not appropriately sourced the top image on the page, which is a photo I took myself of the subject. (David2024.jpg] 2601:47:4C81:47F0:8918:3FD0:A57:92DE (talk) 09:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The message says add {{own}} to the file on Commons, which you have done. However Commons is a separate project so you might get a more knowledgeable answer at their helpdesk Commons:Commons:Help desk. TSventon (talk) 10:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Rudard: The files you uploaded for use in David Fair were uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, not Wikipedia. Wikimedia Commons is a sister site of Wikipedia and it has it's own policies and guidelines; so, you will need to resolve the issues with the files on Wikimedia Commons. You can try asking for assistance at c:Commons:Help desk, but before you do you might want to take a look at c:Commons:Licensing, c:Commons:Essential information, c:Commons:Project scope/Evidence, c:Commons:FAQ and c:Commons:Own work for reference since those page might contain the information you're looking for. Finally (and this part is related to Wikipedia), if you're somehow connected to Fair either personally or professionally, you probably should take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for reference as well. That particular page provides guidance as to what the Wikipedia community expects from those you are connected to the subjects they're editing or creating content about when there connection is something more than a casual one. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

not an writer but wanted be.

So if I'm not a writer, or an editor should I just delete my account. I was under the impression that we could express ourselves and maybe connect with our our personal experiences. Just delete the account. Swordfish19694647 (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Swordfish19694647: For technical reasons accounts can't be deleted. Just abandon the account and never use it again. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

No, you don't have to be a writer or editor in real life to edit Wikipedia, but you seem to have used your user talk page for self promotional purpose, which is the reason for you getting a warning. As long as you make constructive changes to articles or other contents on this site, you can still edit. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to "express" yourself "and maybe connect with" your "personal experiences". Clarityfiend (talk) 05:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

page translation and duplicate URL

Hello,

I'd like to see a translation of the French O'Riordan page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famille_O%27Riordan

I am not allowed to attempt the translation myself, as per error on attempt.

The French version is far more detailed and historical that the content-light English version.

There is a an existing English URL, but the page is different & nominal content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Riordan LouieMO (talk) 13:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The fact that you are not allowed to use the translation is not an error, as the translation tool on English Wikipedia is only accessible to extended confirmed users. You can start an article named O'Riordan family and put the translated content there. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Reverting a lot of changes

Hi - I was just looking at the recent changes page and found an anon user who has been making a lot of changes to lots of articles to change "Donald Trump" to "Donald J. Trump" over the course of several hours. I've asked them to stop and to get a consensus before continuing, and they seem to have stopped (for now, anyway). I don't know much about antivandal tools, and they appear to have been doing it in good faith (haven't seen any really disruptive edits from them) - just wondering if anyone with the know-how could revert all these changes at once? Talk:Donald Trump has made consensus that the middle initial shouldn't be included when referring to him (see consensus point #12). BugGhost🪲👻 14:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

All sorted now - @Adam Black has reverted the changes BugGhost🪲👻 15:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The edits do appear to have been in good faith, but were non-constructive in my opinion so I reverted them en-masse using Ultraviolet. I've left what I hope is a friendly enough message encouraging them to continue to contribute to Wikipedia but to pay attention to our policies and guidelines. I think an admin could have mass reverted all of the changes, but I did check all of the edits as I was doing the reverts. They all either changed "Donald Trump" to "Donald J. Trump" or changed the image used for Trump, which I felt should also have consensus. Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 15:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Will take a look at Ultraviolet, thanks for the info - and thanks again for taking care of the reversions BugGhost🪲👻 15:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

question about publishing a page

I am creating a page for my childhood neighbor who was a genius scientist at Princeton University, I created the page, but I want to make it his page, not mine and it won't let me add any more photos. here is a link to the current page. what can I do? many thanks, I appreciate your help. Betsy Finston User:Bfinston Bfinston (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

First of all, you shouldn't be the one to write this article, as your relationship with the subject counts as a conflict of interest. What you should do is gathering enough indepth, reliable and independent sources about the scientist in question, make sure that these sources prove that he passes WP:GNG or WP:PROF. Once the notability criteria is met, make a request in the Scientists and people in science section. If you really want to write it yourself, use Article wizard to create a draft, and wait for other editors to edit the draft until it is ready for review and publication. Once you made the draft, you should also put Template:User COI on your user page to declare your conflict of interest. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Bfinston, that's good advice. As it stands, it's a text dump with no in-line references, no wikilinks, a promotional tone with your opinions when we just want facts, and non-standard formatting Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

It is a compilation of sources from princeton university and his family, with many links out in the reference section. I am unclear why it is appearing otherwise. Its not just a text dump. I put external links in there, perhaps they aren't showing up, and there is not a promotional intent of any kind, hence it is hard to understand why you are reading that tone into it. 2603:7000:473D:3774:A87B:316A:9658:138D (talk) 16:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Do not cite information from his family. We want to hear what trustworthy and independent sources said about the subject. Family members are incentivized to present the subject in a more favorable light, which runs counter to the purpose of Wikipedia. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

To enlarge on what others have said: many people misunderstanding the purpose and foundation of Wikipedia. An article should be a summary of what indepedent reliable published sources have said about a subject, little more (the "little more" can be a summary of what non-independent reliable sources have said).

What you know or believe about the subject, or what the subject has told you about themselves, do not belong anywhere in an article, unless they are also to be found in reliable published sources. And your opinions (like my opinions, and anybody other random person's opinions on the internet) on the subject do not belong in the article at all. ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

A web search suggests that there may be enough sourcing for an article if it is written properly. But the current version is more like a personal reflection than an encyclopedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe I've designed an article about myself and my work. How do I get it approved to move from the "sandbox" to a posted and available Wikipedia page?

I believe I've designed an article about myself and my work. How do I get it approved to move from the "sandbox" to a posted and available Wikipedia page? Fcoffman (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Don't write a Wikipedia article about yourself, as it is very difficult to stay neutral and objective when the subject of the article is yourself. Find some sources that covers about the subject (in this case, yourself), make sure that they are 1) Indepth, not just some passing mention or entry in a list; 2) Reliable, no online blogs or others sites with user-generated contents; 3) Independent of the subject, so no sources from people you personally know or organizaions you headed; 4) Non-routine, so sources like being appointed to certain positions do not contribute to notability. Once you are confident that the sources pass WP:GNG or WP:NBIO, make a request at appropriate section of Wikipedia:Requested articles. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fcoffman: That sort of thing doesn't belong on your user page. Your user page should be about you in the context of what you do on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:User pages for guidance.

I have moved your draft to Draft:Frank Coffman. As it is now, it would not be acceptable for publication in article space. See Wikipedia:Golden rule. If you abide by that, then the article could be accepted. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Fcoffman has not got a single source in it. This happens all the time, and the material rarely if ever finds its way into the mainspace, as Wikipedia is not Facebook, LinkedIn or a similar service.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, the draft has sources, but they're all inline external links, so they don't appear in a reference list. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Xi Jinping, birthplace

Xi Jinping was born in Beijing or in Shaanxi Province? I found different places from online sources. 2A02:B123:F00:B9BC:CA33:FFA8:1FAC:77C3 (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

According to the Chinese Wikipedia, Beijing is where he is born, while Shaanxi is his Ancestral home. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I request a template to have its name changed?

An infobox, in this case — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 17:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Which infobox? Are you referring to the actual template name, or the name displayed when the template is in an article? ~Anachronist (talk) 18:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The actual template name, the infobox I have in mind is Template:Infobox computer virus — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 18:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

You might need to start a discussion to see if there's any consensus for the renaming. Make a Requested Move at the template's talk page. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Do I have the right to do so as a non-EC? — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 18:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Technically you can just rename the template by move it, but with template it is recommended to be cautious and get a consensus first. Do you mind to explain what you want to rename the template to and the reasob for it? Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I want to rename it into "infobox malware" considering that this template been used for worms, ransomwares, trojan horses which are not viruses afaik.

If I fail to get consensus due to people not even interacting with the suggestion how should I proceed? (this is unrelated and more of a general question) — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 21:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

You can ask for assistance on the talk page of relevant Wikiprpjects, in this case Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing and Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science. You can also make a Request for comment at the requested move discussion. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)