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August 14

I can't log in!!!!

I can't log in!!!! wikipedia tells me I have two user names associated with my single account - and I can't log into either of them. Temporary passwords don't wor 2600:480A:29D1:C900:7163:25A2:DAD9:F7E3 (talk) 02:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

What is your Username? –– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 04:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Citing video interviews referencing sworn testimony vs court reporting documents (WWE EDITION)

So I would like to understand what level of source I would need to provide context to a claim made by Jesse Ventura that I've laid out on this talk page Talk:Hulk Hogan#Hulk Hogan 2024 election. The claim is one made against Hulk Hogan by Jesse Ventura that references the sworn testimony of Vince McMahon. I have not been able to find a primary court report of the statement made by Vince McMahon. I understand that YouTube sources are not going to cut the muster, but CNN does not provide a full transcript of the interview, and I don't believe the other source is of enough journalistic standing to reference. I was considering contacting the court clerk to see about accessing the court report, but I'm not sure about the process for turning around and citing that, especially since it seems that it is not accessible via a public-facing site but instead a document I will need to pay to receive. Spicygarbage (talk) 04:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

If it hasn't been published, by a reliable source, you can't use it. There's no way around it. --Orange Mike | Talk 09:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review of Resubmitted Article

Hello, I apologize for any inconvenience my previous submission may have caused. I've worked on improving the article based on the feedback and have resubmitted it. I would greatly appreciate it if you could review it again. The article is now well-sourced, and I’m eager to ensure the content meets Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for your time and support.

Koorosh Ghorbani Neginghaderii (talk) 07:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Neginghaderii Since your sources are in Persian and Turkish, you may have to wait a while before someone with appropriate language skills does the review. It is acceptable to politely ask the reviewer who declined the previous version to take another look (ask via their Talk Page). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

After reviewing the draft and the references, I'm not convinced that you know the standard for inclusion. WP:GNG requires an article to ge backed up with multiple in-depth coverage from independent and reliable sources, and none of the cited sources covered the subject in-depth, instead merely talked about their ranking or role. The subject does not seem to pass WP:NATH as well. You would need to provide sources that talked about the subject in more details, preferably not any types of announcements about change in position or upcoming events as those are considered to be WP:ROUTINE. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback on the article for Koorosh Ghorbani. I appreciate the time you’ve taken to review the draft.

I understand that these might not fully meet the WP criteria, but I am eager to improve the article and would appreciate any guidance you can offer on how to strengthen it.

Would you be able to suggest specific types of sources or approaches that could help meet Wikipedia’s standards? If additional or different sources are required, I am committed to searching further or revising the content accordingly.

Thank you again for your support and advice. Neginghaderii (talk) 16:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

News articles, books or other publications (online or offline, doesn't have to be in English) where the subject are talked about in detail. Don't use anything written by the subject or people/organizations associated with him, including interviews. Official records in which most information came form the subject himself can not be used as well. Try to find any source can prove that he passes WP:NATH. There are a lot of athletes over the history of mankind, and Wikipedia only have limited amount of storage space, we need to make sure that the athlete you are writing about has received enough attention so we can verify the information provided about him. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Defunct taskforce

What is the process for reinstating a defunct taskforce? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 07:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Vestrian24Bio, I remember when I first started editing 15 years ago and Wikiprojects and task forces were portrayed as a "really big thing". The more I learned about these efforts, the less impressed I was. Making something like this work again depends entirely on attracting a critical mass of editors. If several editors do not participate regularly,then the Wikiproject or even vague task force is meaningless. So, if you can motivate participation withour pestering people, that's great. The issue, in the end, is who cares other than you? Good luck. Cullen328 (talk) 08:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist the taskforce and respond if anyone posts there. Participation begins with you. CMD (talk) 08:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject#Creating_and_maintaining_a_project may have something of use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Got it; Thanks. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 10:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Rule not to add a message on top of a section on a talk page

Somewhere, there is a rule not to 'hijack' a discussion on a talk page by adding a contribution on top of the discussion and grabbing the attention this way. I don't remember where it is and did not find it anymore - anybody know it, please? --KnightMove (talk) 09:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Indentation#Indentation_examples #4 is the closest I can think of atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so far... but there is also another rule on another page. --KnightMove (talk) 10:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

This addresses it a bit: Help:Talk_pages#Replying_to_an_existing_thread FactOrOpinion (talk) 14:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

There's a lot of guidance at WP:TPYES and sections below that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated polemics

Does english Wikipedia has any rule dealing with unsubstantiated polemics created by users that ends up hindering the development of a topic? I know this is a common problematic of the encyclopedia, when seemingly good faith actors keep producing admissible arguments that demand an exorbitant effort by other users, sometimes winning by exhaustion. I have been dealing with a situation where I dont really think that the editor has provided any substance to his arguments, based on the principles of verifiability, and nonetheless has been allowed to flag an article as NPOV issue and keep hindering to development of the content. It seems to come very close to WP:DISRUPTIVE, but I dont know if there a appropriate place to fill a notification about it. I really wish some guidance in this aspect of the policy. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 15:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Either WP:DRN or WP:ANI, depending on whether you want to focus on resolving the dispute, or whether it has gone beyond that and it is the other editor's behaviour. In either case, read the top matter on the page carefully. ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I add another archive to my talk page?

Hello, I have archived my talk page once. But I want a different archive every time I want to archive my talk page. How do I add another archive? This is for future reference. Felicia (talk) 16:13, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

If you archive manually then you can just create User talk:Felicia777/Archive 2 next time and so on. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Pop-up's Donation.

I already donate to Wikipedia. I'm using my labtop not my P.C. Can you please stop the pop-up's asking for money. When I have already donate every month. I use wikipedia a lot especially for football and other things. Thanks very much. 80.40.19.51 (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

If you make an account then you can suppress fundrasing banners when you are logged in at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

To expand: donations are actually made to The Wikimedia Foundation, and Wikipedia has no interconnection with the donating process that can tell it whether even an Account holder has donated, let alone whether an unknown person using a (likely dynamic) IP has done so. This is to preserve editorial independence, so that, for example, no subject of an article can 'buy' influence over the article about them.

When you posted your query your laptop then had the IP address of 80.---51: tomorrow it may have a different IP, and 80.---51 may have been assigned to someone else's device; or you may be using a different device; or someone else (who has not donated) may be using your laptop (hopefully with your permission).

If you have donated to a charity, do you get irritated if you see another advert for it on the side of a bus? The bus can't know that you've already donated. Nor can Wikipedia. Hope this clarifies. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.109.53 (talk) 23:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)