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How do I download Islander tv game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.63.195.208 (talk) 00:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 00:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

box

How do i put a box for info and stats on the left of my page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cro pro (talk • contribs) 01:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

This type of box? CTJF83 01:54, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

If you are talking about the article that you created, Nikolas laus, you probably looking to add Template:Infobox football biography. GB fan (talk) 01:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Though, you should take a look at your priorities. The article is in danger of being deleted. If it were me, I'd focus on finding some reliable sources before getting the infobox just right. Dismas|^(talk) 02:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

How do you share, or link, an article? Can you? Do I have to copy the URL?

Thank you... (Redacted) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.8.141 (talk) 03:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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Sharebox is a script that reorders your toolbox. It adds new buttons that make it easier to mail, print or share an article on Facebook or another linksharing service. You must have an account to add Sharebox to the sidebar. See User:TheDJ/Sharebox for more information. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 05:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Archiving the entire content of a Talk page

Someone has archived all the threads on Talk:Nigella Lawson. As I understand it the correct way to use talk archiving is to leave a few of the most recent topics on the "active" page. IMHO the archiving was in any case unnecessary as the page was not too long anyway. Can such an archiving be reverted? Roger (talk) 07:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The archive is readily accessible with a single click from the talk page, and the history shows that there is nothing more recent than 1 October 2010, so I can't see any obvious need to unarchive. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Links between articles

I'm working on some articles related to the main William Burges article. My question relates to the St. Elizabeth almshouses, Worthing. Mention of the almhouses is made in the subsidiary article, Listed buildings in Worthing and the almshouses probably do not merit an article of their own on notability grounds. But I would like to link from the List of Works on the main William Burges to the mention on the Listed buildings in Worthing page. But I don't know how to to this, or even if I should do this. Would be most grateful for advice. KJP1 (talk) 08:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

If linking to the "Listed buildings" section in Listed buildings in Worthing is not enough, then you could edit the table and add an {{anchor}} to the Elizabeth Almshouses entry. Then you can link to it from other articles like this: [[Listed buildings in Worthing#anchorname|Elizabeth Almshouses]] — jwillbur 09:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Now I shall just have to try to follow your instructions. Thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 09:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Ian Harte football player

Ian Harte played fot St Kevins Boys Club until he joined Leeds United in 1995 - he never played for Home Farm F C.

Ken Donohoe Football Director St Kevins Boys Club —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.141.127.247 (talk) 11:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The right place to discuss this would be Talk:Ian Harte. And please keep in mind that WP:BLP applies. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 15:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Here is a 2008 BBC story saying he played for Home Farm: [1]. Our article Ian Harte has apparently said Home Farm without a source since it was created in 2005.[2] If this was an error then it's possible others have copied it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Uploading Pics

Can someone just help me a little, I live in Danyang near Shanghai, with the great firewall up, it's difficult to see, upload pics etc, plus i'm fairly new to this, can someone help me to upload pics from my wikicommons pics to Danyang City and Danyang Railway Station thanks Megatonman (talk) 12:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I've added one picture and fixed another. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Chiron Use of Symbol

I edited the article on Chiron by adding the following to the Use of Symbol Section. However, it appeared in the References Section. How do I get this addition into the Use of Symbol Section?

Chiron is also featured on the unit emblem of the National Support Element (NSE) Task Force Kandahar Roto 10; the Canadian support element for Canadian Forces deployed at Kandahar Airfield (KAF) and in Kandahar Province and Kabul. The emblem was chosen by the Roto 10 NSE Commanding Officer LCol Sebastien Bouchard. The symbol represents the objectives of the Canadian Afghan mission; peace, healing, teaching and mentoring in sum nation building.15:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Microbeard (talk • contribs)

You clicked the "edit" link below the section you wanted to edit. You have to click the "edit" link to the right of the heading of the section you want to edit. You can also click the "Edit" tab at top of the page to edit the whole page. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

If the article has been edited by someone else recently, and you have not refreshed the article in your browser, sometimes clicking an edit link opens a different section in the edit window. --Teratornis (talk) 05:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

That can happen but in this case I saw the article had not been edited for days. Clicking the following edit link is a common beginner mistake and Microbeard had no other edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Print wiki articles for personal use.

I would like to print articles to my own printer for personal use only. I find that when I hit print the printer will only print the first page. This is very annoying. Can you suggest a way I can print the whole article? If it is a liscening issue please tell me what liscense I need and how to apply for it. -------- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verseuni (talk • contribs) 15:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

More likely to be a problem with your printer set-up, rather than anything with Wikipedia. Which browser are you using, and what do you see when you select "Print Preview"? - David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

e/c You can print whole articles for personal use, if you can't I'm not sure what would be stopping you, problem with the printer? A temporary solution might be to save it as a PDF file and print from that. You need to click "Download as PDF" on the right tool bar under "Print/export". Just noticed there's also an option to produce a "Printable version" below that that might be of use also. Rehevkor ✉ 15:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Please provide more information: browser and version, Windows version, article that will not print, etc. If you do a print preview, does it only show page 1?

Printable version is only useful for very old browsers; see Help:Printable. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Please change links in references in this article

I couldn't edit the links in the references section of this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Financial_Services_Association_of_America

The following links need to be changed: 1. CFSA :: The Community Financial Services Association of America :: Leading the payday advance industry in promoting consumer protections

Should be: http://cfsaa.com/AboutCFSA.aspx

12. # ^ CFSA :: The Community Financial Services Association of America :: Leading the payday advance industry in promoting consumer protections

Should be: http://cfsaa.com/AboutthePaydayIndustry/MythvsReality.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacqaluyan (talk • contribs) 16:19, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

You have to edit the section where the references are used. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners#Inserting a reference. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

3rd Civil Affairs Group

2 editors have asked a third editor to refrain from adding unsourced information to this page until consensus has been reached on the talk page. This editor has ignored the request. Is it possible we can have this page semi-protected with the unsourced info removed until consensus can be achieved? Thanks & Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 17:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Please make your request at WP:RFPP. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 17:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Please note that you and the other user both appeared to have violated WP:3RR. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Why doesn't Wikipedia use WebCite for it's references?

Sometime ago Wikipedia must have agreed on using the following format. "Tim Berners-Lee (1998). Cool URIs Don’t Change. http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html. Retrieved 2010-09-14".

Wouldn't using WebCite for all references be preferred (reliability and no loss of information)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpatico qa (talk • contribs) 17:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

An archive URL is one of the parameters available in the {{Cite web}} template. – ukexpat (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Just to expand on that, I think the original website URL is preferable but an archive URL should be added where possible. – ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

This has been discussed recently (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject External links/Webcitebot2 and Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Archived citations) but no consensus was reached. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

All the other citation templates based on {{Citation}} (or {{Citation/core}}) provide an archiveurl parameter along with the usual url. You can manually archive your links with WebCite. This adds a little more labor to the already-too-laborious process of editing a citation, but I'm getting in the habit of doing it anyway. It seems almost every link we add is going to rot eventually, and when this happens, other overzealous editors may remove material we added to articles that depends on rotten links. The question does not specify whether it's about archiving links automatically. That would seem to be a straightforward bot task, but clearly it's not being done on a wide scale yet because most of Wikipedia's links are not archived. It probably does not help that Wikipedia has several different citation styles along with many citations in ad hoc styles. See Wikipedia:Link rot and Wikipedia:Using WebCite. Here is an example I recently added to the Lester R. Brown article:

• Brown, Lester R. (2011). World on the Edge: How to Prevent Environmental and Economic Collapse. W. W. Norton & Company. ISBN 978-0393080292. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2011-03-01. Retrieved 2011-03-01.

Note that the citation contains links to both the archived document and the original. The citation will remain good until WebCite itself rots. Hopefully that won't be too long before the Heat death of the universe. --Teratornis (talk) 20:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

reverting multiple edits after new edits by others have been made

The work of 77.101.232.225 on Microsoft Flight Simulator (and the talk page) was reverted by another editor; I placed a caution against advertising on the IP's talk page. Checking the other contributions, I noticed similar advertising (plus some other content was removed without justification, probably by mistake) was placed on List of speech recognition software, in the form of several small edits, which had previously been unnoticed. In the meantime, additional edits, possibly legitimate, have been made by other people/bots. Now I know I can revert just one particular edit retroactively, but is there a way I can revert multiple edits without having to use "undo" several times? -- Nczempin (talk) 18:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Not with intervening edits, no.

You probably already know that you can restore a specific older version - by going to the history, clicking the timestamp of the old version, then editing it, then saving - noting the heading, You are editing an old revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since then will be removed.

However, for a mixture of good and bad edits in the history, then no; you can either go into each and 'undo' (if it will let you, depending on overlaps), or just edit the current version and manually remove the various bits.

Admins can delete selected old revisions, but that isn't helpful (it wouldn't 'undo' the fact that the text exists in newer revisions) - I only mention it because it is vaguely related.

Sorry - mostly, that stuff is a manual task.  Chzz  ►  18:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

okay, thanks. I'll just do it manually. Either by undoing each single one, or by reverting to the one before the ads and adding back what was added later. For history integrity, the first way is probably better. -- Nczempin (talk) 18:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Font size in the edit box

Hi, is there any way to increase the font size in the edit box (I didn't find this in "preferences)? A solution that does not involve increasing the font size in the browser (in general) would be much better, because the normal font size in Wikipedia and other websites is fine. The problem is specifically in the edit box where larger font size would be great for editing work (and especially for small diacritical symbols).

Thanks to anyone who can suggest a solution! Dovi (talk) 18:41, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Assuming you use the default Vector skin, try placing this line (or another percentage) in Special:Mypage/vector.css:

textarea, input {font-size: 150%}

PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Dovi (talk) 09:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

permission to use wikipedia logo

I am helping a commercial business expand a website resource center that includes educational materials and links on the wireless industry. we are providing links to many newstories and reference materials include wikipedia, which has excellent technology and background info on carriers.

as part of the links that go to Wikipedia, I was hoping to put a logo on each page that is destined for Wikipedia so that people will know that this is purely a referral link to the Wikipedia site. Is it possible to get permission ot use one of your standard globe logos? If not, I saw some info in your archives that indicated that a plain w with black letters on white background was ok. thank you

marty weiss

<contact details redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.81.194 (talk) 18:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the globe logos are protected by copyright. The details are here, and it looks pretty complicated to me. It may be simpler to use one of the free-use logos in commons:Category:Wikipedia icons, such as File:Wikipedia-W-bold-in-square.svg. This one is a public domain image, so you can do whatever you like with it. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Does the Random article link have a blacklist?

I was thinking earlier today, does the random article link have a blacklist of articles that are not possible results, as a way to protect the wee little children's eyes. (i.e It wouldn't be a good idea for the Random Article link to possibly pull up the Missionary Position article. Spitfire19 ^T/_C 19:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I would hope not on the basis that Wikipedia is not censored.  – ukexpat (talk) 19:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't get at all what it has to do with censorship. Zakhalesh (talk) 19:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

A blacklist would be censorship of what is seen when you view a random article. – ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Having a potentially NSFW random article without a work-safe variant isn't good in my opinion. While Wikipedia isn't censored, we aren't pushing potentially offensive material on people's faces without them asking for it - except with bad rolls when using the random article button. Creating a blacklist or a blacklisted variant is not censorship, it's customer service. Zakhalesh (talk) 19:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree, people can always enter NSFW article names into the search bar, but if there is not a blacklist for Random Article you're just playing Russian Roulette to see if you can get in trouble.

Remember to add your signature - ~~~~ (four tildes ~) at the end of your post! Zakhalesh (talk) 19:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I have never seen a NSFW article in the Featured Article list. I don't think that the admins allow NSFW articles to be featured. If so, selecting a random featured article will work. If you look at that link's source, you can set the categories to limit what shows up in the random article list. -- kainaw™ 19:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The German Wikipedia put a NSFW featured article on their front page - Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2010-03-22/News and notes -- John of Reading (talk) 20:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Firstly the German Wikipedia and English Wikipedia have different policies and what holds for one does not necessarily hold for another. In all these discussions, it must be remembered that we are writing for an international audience and what is considered safe or not safe for work, appropriate or inappropriate for "young eyes" and what constitutes "young eyes" (or any other term, e.g. "minor", "children", etc) varies from individual to individual and setting to setting, let alone culture to culture. For example, Reservoir Dogs might be considered inappropriate for an English primary school child, but would be fine in a typical English office; a teacher in a hardline Muslim school may get in trouble for viewing the Depictions of Muhammad article, but it could be a useful learning tool for a primary school lesson. French fashion lecturers would be more likely to regard the Monokini article as safe for their workplace than would their US counterparts. Thryduulf (talk) 21:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

NSFW articles can certainly be promoted to featured article status as long as they pass the requirements that all articles must meet. Gary King (talk · scripts) 02:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

(←) The safety of the random article feature could be a user preference setting. Google gives the user a "safe search" option; we could too. Of course every new feature requires resources to build, and there are never enough resources. Maybe this could get built into a user's Web browser. There seems to be a Google Safe Browsing for Firefox and Google Chrome feature. I have not tried it with Wikipedia, and I likely won't. Collaborative filtering is a potential solution to the differing self-censorship requirements mentioned by Thryduulf above. A person with particular sensitivities probably shares them with other people, and in theory only one of them needs to be shocked by any particular page. Everyone else who has figured out what particular community of easily-offended people they belong to can avoid all the pages marked as having offended any of the community's members. --Teratornis (talk) 05:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

The original poster may be interested in Help:Options to not see an image, which describes several ways to avoid NSFW images. Gropecunt Lane comes to mind as an arguably NSFW featured article on the English Wikipedia. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 12:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

This is an ongoing discussion on adding content control features; see meta:2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content: Part Two, especially the section User-Controlled Viewing Options. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

My edit contribution has disappeared.

The minor edit cited below no longer appears in the article.

I'm wondering why.

Thanks, Bill Burke (Feppish)

17:45, 8 March 2011 (diff | hist) m 9/11 Truth movement ‎ (→Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth) 17:44, 8 March 2011 (diff | hist) m 9/11 Truth movement ‎ (→Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feppish (talk • contribs)

Your edit was reverted. Zakhalesh (talk) 19:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

And the edit summary for the reversion (which you can see in the page's history) was "(revert edits by Feppish; the juxtaposition of the number of members and the total number of professionals is a clear example of WP:Synthesis)" --ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Also for future reference, this is not a minor edit. Minor edits are edits that do not change the meaning of an article. That edit changes the meaning of the article. GB fan (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Problems in categories (alphabetical order of subcats)

Hi. Starting from yesterday night, i've seen that it is (or I have) a problem with the categories. I display the subcategories in a strange alphabetical order. Exemple: in the Category:Science i see this order: M P Q S B A C D E F (1st column); H I L M N O P S (2nd column); S T I M Π (3rd column). The problem does not appears in the pages listed directly in the category and, in other Wikipedias, the subcategory are normally ordered (A, B, C, D...). I've tried to see also in other wikiprojects (Commons, Wiktionary, Wikispecies...) and over there there are no problems with alphabet. So, it seems to be an issue reguarding only en.wp. Does it depends from my pc or is it a general problem? Thanks a lot. --Dэя-Бøяg 20:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

you might want to read Wikipedia:VPT#categorically_random_categories. GB fan (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --Dэя-Бøяg 17:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia minister

Hello, I need help the Wikipedia ministers. User vandalismo my page. Very bad english, sorry. Atentamente, Javier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.68.29.64 (talk) 21:03, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

What do you need help with? There is no such user called User:Vandalismo registered here at present. Rehevkor ✉ 21:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I think you are asking for help from an administrator, because somebody has vandalised "your page". But we have no idea what page you are talking about. --ColinFine (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

A post about an artist we represnt keeps on being deleted

Dear Sirs.

We represent a famous painter and general artist that has been trying to insert his name in Wikipedia, and every time, both him and us have had the information deleted mentioning copyright infringement of his own Blog at http://nxxxxxxxxxxxxxa.wordpress.com/. We do not want to cancel the blog, yet we want his name to be on WIKIPEDIA. Please provide a solution.

Regards the Max Collector — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themaxcollector (talk • contribs) 21:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Two important things you should be reading at this point is WP:Notability and WP:Conflict of interest. Your conflict of interest here can prevent your edits from being viewed as neutral and will be reviewed with a higher scrutiny, it would seem you are just here to promote this artists, rather than write a balanced encyclopedia article. Regardless, you need to prove this person is notable, you will need to support the article with reliable sources, sources that are independent of the subject, not a personal blog. Rehevkor ✉ 21:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

And a third point is that copyright material may not be used on Wikipedia unless the owner follows the procedure to specifically license it with one of the acceptable licences. It is not enough to say on a page "I give permission for Wikipedia to use this". See WP:IOWN. --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

If you are asking about Nicolás Leiva, the deletion log shows it was deleted because it was unambiguous advertising or promotion. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and does not accept advertisements posing as articles. The deletion log does not mention a copyright violation. And there is no point licensing the blog under free license, for it is inherently inappropriate for Wikipedia. The solution is to rewrite the article as described by Rehevkor. —teb728 t c 06:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)