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Wikipedia abbreviations

Which language does RUP stand for in Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.74.11.25 (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Aromanian language CTJF83 00:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

roa-rup: is Aromanian language. rup: is not a valid language code and not listed at meta:List of Wikipedias. WP:RUP is a shortcut unrelated to languages. Where have you seen RUP? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Re the replies to Wikipedia abbreviations on 24 Feb, I came across the abbreviation on the page Category:Romanian derivations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.74.11.25 (talk) 02:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Category:Romanian derivations does not exist. -- kainaw™ 02:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Please post followups by clicking the "edit" link to the right of the existing section heading and insert your new post. "rup" is used in some places to represent Aromanian, for example Category:User rup. My earlier reply referred to codes for the different language Wikipedias since your earlier post was about that. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Is there a strictly alphebetical list of codes for Wikipedia languages and also a strictly alphabetical list of Wikipedia languages with codes?

Article help

I know this must be a frequent, and silly question, but I've just written my third article and this one isn't being reviewed or posted into the main wikipedia. Am trying to be patient but am increasingly worried that I did something wrong. Please let me know. Title: Charles Robert Sanger. I had mis identified the photo 2 on uploads, but then corrected it -- because the photographer is my great grand mother, and CRS is my great grand father, and she was an avid photographer, a copy was inherited by my family. Is the photo the issue? Have I not entered properly? Other pages: Eleanor Sanger, and Robert Riger. Rpriger (talk) 01:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC).

The main issue is notability. Why is he notable? All of the references are non-notable. Anyone can get in Who's Who. Anyone who writes papers can get listed in a proceedings report. Anyone who dies can get an obituary. Where are articles from notable sources like mainstream magazines? Who wrote books about him? What movie was made about his life? Without notability, this is just an article about some guy that it appears you find notable due to a personal relationship. -- kainaw™ 02:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You created it on a talk page. I've moved it to Charles Robert Sanger. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

By the way, it says the photo was taken in 1902, which means it's free to use no matter what. Anything taken before 1923 is considered public domain.-RHM22 (talk) 04:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

One more thing: It says that someone is doing work on the article, so I won't do it right now, but when that person is done, let me know if you would like me to help you reformat the refs. They're a little off the way they are.-RHM22 (talk) 04:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Orangemike move Charles Robert Sanger to Wikipedia article space.[1] To have your articles show up on the Main Page, post a request at Template talk:Did you know. For photos, the easiest way to get them into Wikipedia is to upload them into commons. To have your article reviewed, post a request at Wikipedia:Peer review. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not quite that easy to get a new article into the main pages DYK section. The requirements are pretty specific. – ukexpat (talk) 13:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The refs definitely need to be reformatted to qualify for DYK, but I believe the character count and date are ok.-RHM22 (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Unable to post a vandalism warning

Many hours ago I reverted vandalism, and sought to post a warning on the vandal's user page, using Twinkle, but the screen just freezes. A box opens which says "Warn/notify user," with nothing in it. It stays there indefinitely. I checked and this is still the case. Finally, I copied a vandalism warning template from WP:WARN and posted it. What gives? Edison (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle is knackered at the moment, see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Twinkle_problem and Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#More_than_Twinkle_is_broken. DuncanHill (talk) 05:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Userbox centering, Wikicode

Resolved

Hi! On the Indonesian Wikipedia, a user wants to center a group of three columns of infoboxes - currently, in the sub-display they veer to the right: id:Pengguna:Wagino_20100516 (fixed)

What code changes need to be made to make the userbox columns centered?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 05:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The Indonesian userpage link doesn't work, but here's one way to center userboxes:

{| style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto"
|+ My userboxes
|-
| USERBOX HERE
|-
| USERBOX HERE
|}

You can find more detailed information at Help:Userbox.-RHM22 (talk) 05:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Oops, I think I may have responded with the wrong information. Did you mean userboxes or infoboxes? The information I gave above is correct for userboxes, but it obviously will not work for infoboxes.-RHM22 (talk) 05:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Userboxes - here is the working link: id:Pengguna:Wagino_20100516 WhisperToMe (talk) 05:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, than that is correct. Does the user want the userbox at the top (the one about Muhammed) in the center?-RHM22 (talk) 05:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

If so, try this:

{| style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto"
| {{Pengguna:WhisperToMe/Userboxes/Pengguna menolak gambar Nabi Muhammad dipublikasikan}}
|}

-RHM22 (talk) 05:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

See {{Userboxtop}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 05:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Recovering a Redirect??

My page "MigreLief" was nominated for a speedy deletion and I was off line for a couple of weeks and never caught it in time to stop it. I lost all of the info and reference links I researched and created so I am just now getting motivated to create again from scratch to submit for approval. Will I be able to recover my page name or does the redirect get to keep the name. MigreLief is a well known Migraine Prevention Supplement containing many ingredients. My "MigreLief" page was redirected to one of the ingredients "Feverfew". Again, can I work on a subpage called "MigreLief" and then move it live when I feel it will past muster? If I can, can you tell me how to get the name back? Thank you for your assistance in advance. Silsal (talk) 06:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You can ask the deleting admin User:Cirt if he will move it to a subpage for you to work on. CTJF83 08:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) The article was deleted following the deletion discussion here. I can't see the deleted text, but from that discussion it looks as if a new article on the same subject would probably be deleted as well. You need to show that people are writing about the product in reliable sources such as books and newspapers; advertising and advertorial copy is not enough to show the notability needed for a Wikipedia article.

You are welcome to try again, though, if you have found more sources. You can ask at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for a copy of the old text to be restored to your userspace. When the new draft is ready, ask for it to be reviewed by posting at WP:FEED; if the new draft looks good then it can be moved into place over the MigreLief redirect. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

delete ip address

can you please delete my ip address? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauljones4000 (talk • contribs) 07:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Delete it where? CTJF83 08:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The page for this is Wikipedia:Oversight, which allows you to make requests like this one in private. But I don't see the need; the edits you make as "paul jones" won't be linked to any that you have made as an anonymous IP editor. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

To remove a connection between posts that can be used to connect your ip address to User:Pauljones4000, send an email to the address listed at Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. Either they will delete the post entirely or erase the IP address link to the post. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Need to upload an image.

I am a photographer and I want to upload one of my own copyrighted images to an article I'm editing. It's telling me I have to wait 4 days before I can do this. Is there no way to hurry this process?

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scrapdog21 (talk • contribs) 09:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Right! You are not autoconfirmed and thus not having rights to upload images at the moemnt. you need 10 edits and 4days old account. mabdul 09:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You can upload at Commons without waiting for four days. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Further, to add a copyrighted images to an article, there usually need to be some wp:reliable source that has written about that particular image to where a summary of that reliable source writing and the image are added to and connected in the article. To save yourself a lot of stress in trying to add a copyrighted image to a Wikipedia article by complying with Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, upload at Commons and then add the image to the article. In regards to Elizabeth Emanuel, text from a website can't just be copied and plunk in into a Wikipedia article. That raises copyright issues. Instead, develop the article using information from newspapers, magazines, and books that are not connected to Elizabeth Emanuel. A well written article can land on the Main Page, which essentially translates into free publicity to millions of people. You might want to start off by using Template:Biography. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Further, to add a copyrighted images to an article, there usually need to be some wp:reliable source that has written about that particular image to where a summary of that reliable source writing and the image are added to and connected in the article. What on earth are you talking about? In addition if the reason to create an article is to generate free publicity, that is completely the wrong reason to create an article. – ukexpat (talk) 13:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic. Reader understanding = written. There usually need to be some wp:reliable source that has written about that particular image. Usually = reliable source material is what's usually looked at. Even if Scrapdog21's photos of this living person get past NFCC1, they still have to get past NFCC8. Also, if the article meets FA status, does it really matter what the motivation behind getting to FA status is? And putting something on the Main Page does generate publicity and it is free. While my post above did not address reasons to create an article, if the reason to create an article is to generate free publicity that does not comply with content standards, that is completely the wrong approach to creating an article. Scrapdog21 might want to start off by using Template:Biography. Scrapdog21 is onto a notable topic (Elizabeth Emanuel) and urging him/her into a correct direction from Scrapdog21's current position might add one more productive editor to Wikipedia rolls. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I know all about WP:NFCC but that's irrelevant here as Scrapdog21 says they own the copyright - they can release the images under a "free" license. As you said previously, that would be better done at Commons, but even if they are uploaded here under a "free" license they will be moved to Commons sooner or later by gnomes like me who do that sort of thing. – ukexpat (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Thanks. And I appreciate your efforts to move images to Commons. : ) -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Template for "few, if any, contribs made outside this vote"?

Resolved

 – thanks to Johnuniq!

Hi, all. Does anyone remember the template one can use to tag, for example, the AfD !votes of accounts that may have been created only to !vote in that AfD, and thus might be a sock account? Its intended use is that it should be appended after such a !vote to alert the closing admin to the fact. I recall that it produces a <small> point-size comment that says something like, "This account has made few or no contributions outside of this context". Any suggestions much appreciated. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

{{spa}} with essay WP:SPA. Johnuniq (talk) 09:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, John: I appreciate your help! Thanks, too, for the link to the essay about its appropriate use. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

To adding on External Link to a related topic

Can you please clarify why we can not add a external link to an related article on wikipedia. I have tried to provide an external link to the page Aghori. Since we are from the Headquaters of the Aghor (Shiva Sect) will it be not be feasible to highlight the exact definition along with the realated details of the sect. I have been recieving msg's from your end not to add on links to the pages. Would be thankfull if provided help on the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.203.225.81 (talk) 10:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Messages on your talk page tell you what you are not allowed to do, and give links to pages which explain. If you are now telling us that you are connected with the organisation concerned, you also need to read WP:COI. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:07, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia works the opposite to what people expect. A worst place to get the exact definition along with the realated details of the sect is from the sect itself, such as information posted at http://aghorpeeth.org. A best place would be from some published scholarly book not connected to the sect that takes a hard look at the pros and cons of the sect and neutrally conveys information about the sect. The external link section of an article is under an even tighter leash. You cannot post http://aghorpeeth.org in the external link section in each of Shiva, Baba Keenaram Sthal, Bhagwan Ramji, Baba Siddharth Gautam Ram, and Aghori because that would be using Wikipdia to advertise your website and result in your trading off the hard work of Wikipedia for your own gain. I did add a link in the Aghori to aghorpeeth.org. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Invalid link in article on Software Testing

Hi

I have found an invalid link on the page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_testing

Under "External Links" at the bottom of the page the last web link is not working, i.e. "Automated software testing metrics including manual testing metrics"

Unfortunately I do not know what the correct link should be?

Best regards Priyend Somaroo c/o Vardaan Enterprises —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.177.59.157 (talk) 11:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done - I fixed the link.[2] -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Search Index

Sorry don't know where to ask this question.
I am a Wikignome that uses the Search Index to find mis-spellings, but the Index has not been updated for several days (about 5?). When will this next be done? Currently, words that I corrected over 3 days ago still appear in the search, and when it is updated, there will be a large backlog.

Whilst asking, is there a way to arrange search results in order?
Some mis-spellings are "correct" being redirects, quotes, deliberate, or part of File or URL names e.g. "rythm" which currently has 56 "correct" mis-spellings. When a search returns 57, finding the extra one is labourious. If they could be ordered according to date of last revision, the new entry would be at or near the end.
I realise this is hopeful - but where should I ask?
Arjayay (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Search index redirects to Index (search engine). There also is Special:Search. Are you talking about Wikipedia:Search engine indexing? Please provide a link to "the Search Index" that you use to find mis-spellings. Thanks. Also, you might want to look over User:Wmahan/Spelling and Wikipedia:Typo Team. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The search index is supposed to update every morning, but a lag of several days has been reported here at the village pump. Hopefully there'll be a response there soon explaining why. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, there's no search result sort functionality (though I agree it would be useful). I think the village pump would be the best place to ask about this as well. Gonzonoir (talk) 13:16, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I know of no way no way to order search results by date of edit introducing, but you can try using Google to avoid redirects which I'm not sure our search engine can and, at least in the past, it was much more powerful than Wikipedia's search engine though I don't know if that's still true. Google's spidering might be faster than Wikipedia's indexing so using it as a fallback when our indexing is lagging may be useful. You can drop in your Wikipedia:Lists of common misspellings term and then use restricters in the search such as -inurl:wiki-User -intitle:Talk -intitle:file -inurl:wiki-Wikipedia -inurl:wiki-WP -redirected-from site:en.wikipedia.org Note also the existence of {{Google custom}}.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I already use the site specific Google, but hadn't got all the search restrictions listed, which are very useful. Will persue the other points at the village pump
Arjayay (talk) 15:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Missing item

In your list of World Masonic Grand Lodges, in the Asia list, there is no mention of the Grand Lodge of Armenia. However, when your search box is used for "Grand Lodge of Armenia" we get a blurb with some relevant information. The word "Armenia" though is missing in the list of Grand Lodges for Asia. Armgar (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done - I added Grand Lodge of Armenia to the list.[3] As back ground, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Lodge of Armenia. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Global user manager

I had a look in my preferences and found I was also logged in to the Spanish Wikipedia. I have never edited there and my corresponding user page and user talk page do not exist. I have only ever created an account here on the English Wikipedia. Could my access to the Spanish Wikipedia be taken away so I am only registered here? Harrison49 (talk) 16:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Most of the questions I've seen are from people wanting to merge their global accounts, not unlink them. I'm not sure it can be done, although others here might have more insight. TNXMan 16:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Just curious, but why would you want to do that? Obviously you don't have to edit there, and I doubt anyone will leave you messages there if you haven't edited.-RHM22 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Really I just don't want to be registered on a website I won't be using. I'm just confused as to why that was linked to me in the first place. Harrison49 (talk) 17:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Harrison49 indicates that 14 September 2010 you viewed a page at the Spanish Wikipedia while logged in to the English Wikipedia. This automatically created your account at the Spanish Wikipedia. Accounts cannot be deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, don't remember doing that but thank you all for your assistance. Harrison49 (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

theme song

Greetings, we are a nonprofit group that streams live high school sporting events. We would like to take the old Wide World Of Sports theme song and incorportae it into our opening intro of our events. We would also in tribute to Jim Mckay keep his voice in a portion of the them and insert changes forour use. I want to kow if it is ok for us to do that.

STEVE MILLER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.88.232 (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Could you tell us what article you are referring to? Wide World Of Sports doesn't exists.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I think they're referring to this article. In any case, I think the poster has Wikipedia confused with the company that owns the song. Please note that this is Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia. You should contact ABC about using the song. TNXMan 17:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Telnet

To whom it may concern:

My question is do you support telnet on a MAC ?

current I am using telnet on windows, where ever I travel I am able to connect to my main frame (as/400) at home. I want to do the same on MAC, can I?

Thanks you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.126.133.144 (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. TNXMan 17:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I will comment that you should not be using telnet, use ssh instead (and that is supported on Macintosh computers, as Remote Login). --Nuujinn (talk) 18:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

University crest disappeared on Wikipedia Facebook page

I am presuming my university's Facebook Wikipedia page and the original Wikipedia article it is based on are linked. In the past, any changes to the Wikipedia article (such as the logo) have been reflected automatically on the university's Facebook Wikipedia page.

However, the original Wikipedia article has the logo (as the university crest) and it has been like that for some time, but the Facebook Wikipedia page has suddenly gone blank - the logo has disappeared. I don't believe this is the result of a delay in updating as it has been like this for several days now.

Does anyone know why this has happened and the logo has disappeared from Facebook, even though it has been visible in the Wikipedia article?

Here is the university's Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_University

Here is the Facebook version: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lancaster-University/108262075861948#!/pages/Lancaster-University/108262075861948?sk=wiki

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.47.237 (talk) 19:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The Facebook page is independent of Wikipedia - they may copy from Wikipedia but updating the Facebook side has nothing to do with us. You'll be best off contacting the admins of the Facebook page. Rehevkor ✉ 19:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

The crest information you mentioned is contained within a Wikipedia template - {{Infobox University}}. If you look at the bottom of the Lancaster University page below the External links section, you'll see more templates (Navigational box templates). These Navigational box templates do not appear in the Facebook page. For what ever reason, it appears that Facebook is transcluding the entire Wikipedia article except for the material contained within a Wikipedia template. As for why this might be, you may want to post at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. (Perhaps the templates were using up too much of Facebooks computer resources.) However, as Rehevkor points out, you'll be best off contacting the admins of the Facebook page. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Focus on "Search" bar on Wikipedia main page

Sorry, just found the answer on the FAQ.

Best regards, Ricardo Melo

188.82.154.100 (talk) 19:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a search engine; I believe the general consensus is that a feature such as you suggest would blur this vital distinction. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for your suggestion. This has been discussed before and there is a section about it here. Basically, we would like people to be able to use the arrow keys to scroll through the main page - if the cursor defaults to the search bar, they cannot do this. However, we are always open to more suggestions - if you have more, just let us know! TNXMan 19:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Sharing using twitter

Why don't you: a) have a twitter feed b) have a twitter share button on every page (with built in URL shortening)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.40.128 (talk) 20:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

It's probably either that MediaWiki (the software Wikipedia runs on) doesn't support that or that such elements are disliked by certain editors (not exactly by me, yet I can imagine people getting furious at them for whatever reasons). Zakhalesh (talk) 20:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

There are shorten links! for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia the same link is shortened: http://enwp.org/Wikipedia mabdul 20:50, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

If you make an account then you can install User:TheDJ/Sharebox. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Adding a company name to existing list of companies on an article

Hello

Network Planning and design (text under dimensioning)

How do we go about having our company name added to the existing list of companies in the article below that provide networking planning software of this kind? This appears to be a general article and I'm not sure if its appropriate to apply to be an editor and add your own company name to articles such as these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_planning_and_design

Dimensioning

Because of the complexity of network dimensioning, this is typically done using specialized software tools. Whereas researchers typically develop custom software to study a particular problem, network operators typically make use of commercial network planning software (e.g. OPNET Technologies, SevOne, WANDL, VPISystems, Cariden, Aria Networks). However, there is one notable open source network planning software available by the name of TOTEM named after TOolbox for Traffic Engineering Methods.

our company website is www.harmonic.co.nz 202.20.0.48 (talk) 22:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Any question of the form "How do we ... our company ... on Wikipedia" almost always has the answer "You don't!". Please read WP:ORGFAQ to understand why not. --ColinFine (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Please review Links normally to be avoided. I posted a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles to have a Wikipedia article about your company created. You can help by expanding and updating your webpage here to include links to news articles about Harmonic and citations to those sources such as might be generated by Template:Cite news (e.g., Achenbaum, Emily S. (11 March 2007). "Freedom lost, without a trial". The Charlotte Observer). The news articles about Harmonic that would be useful to Wikipedia would be those that are Wikipedia reliable sources. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 11:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)