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Endgame (Megadeth album) edit

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Result: Not Listed The user initiating this review has mentioned on the nominators talk page that they are willing to put it back through the review process [1]. It is attracting no responses here and that is probably the best and fastest venue to get it re-reviewed AIRcorn (talk) 10:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am seeking a re-assessment of Endgame (Megadeth album), because I do believe that the original reviewer made broad judgments without scrutinizing the article closely enough where he made criticisims, offered little in terms of advice/assistance and refused to address my concerns about the quality of his assessment. It was my belief that a reviewer was supposed to be more helpful than auto-failing, and saying to fix it without clearly explaining what needs improved, and more importantly how it can be improved. I would appreciate any opinion ~~from editors other than the original reviewer (he knows who he is)~~ (actually, to be fair, the original editor should have the right to voice his opinion, although I would prefer it if he respected my request for a re-assessment by not participating in this). Thank you all for your time, --L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Condition of the article at the time of the fail -> here. I am the reviewer, and I completely stand by the quick-fail. The article wasn't and still isn't GA-worthy. And no, it is not a reviewers job to take a C-class article and baby-feed you the answers. Read up on the GA-criteria and nominate a proper article.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment having looked at the original reviewer's edit history, and his past conduct, I suspect that part of the rapid failed is because the original reviewer had no interest in the subject matter, since it had nothing to do with Mariah Carey, Lady Gaga, or Katy Perry. For example, one thing the original reviewer noted is that the sources were "in shambles" (if I remember the quote right). However, I compared with some of the more recent Mariah Carey GA-rated articles, and I really don't see a difference in the quality of the citations. Not to say that the article doesn't have other issues, but the citation FORMAT wasn't much different originally.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, and also the article was originally B class; the original reviewer subsequently de-rated it.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - You are upset you nominated a sub-par article and it was failed. It has nothing to do with the subject. Whatever I sign on to review, I review to the best of my ability, so cut the crap and focus on earning an honest GA.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 02:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - All I am going to say is that I really have had enough of the original editor he wasn't particularly helpful before and never addressed my the concerns I expressed to him initially about his original review; I found that to be arrogant, condescending conduct. I really would have greatly appreciated if the original editor had at least addressed concerns I had. I would really welcome a THIRD PARTY to the discussion.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:21, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - If you would have given me damn time to respond, I would have. No, I'm not going to address any more concerns after you have opened this page. Let the other editors tell you. And understand, give others time to weigh in their opinions. That's your issue, learn to be patient.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 02:26, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        I waited 2 weeks until my page was looked at. I was understanding of a backlog in the system, but I would expect that a reviewer would not just leave a discussion for an extended period when concerns were pending. The reviewer acknowledged the fact that I had concerns, but he made no attempt to relieve me of said concerns. He dismissed them.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Furthermore, I would like to say in response to the original editor that I am not trying to earn an easy GA. I presumed that any GA nom would not pass immediately. I was looking for a reviewer who would provide helpful feedback and allow me time to implement such improvements so that the article might reach GA status.
    - TO THE ORIGINAL EDITOR: I don't really care about your opinion anymore. He made no effort to address my concerns then, so I have no reason to believe he intended to address them at all. The original editor only talked around them without ever addressing them--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:29, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP REGARDING THE ABOVE EXCHANGE: Nathan and I have settled our dispute via talk pages, but additional feedback regarding Endgame is still requested.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 04:50, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, I still am requesting a new, independent and objective review from an editor other than the original editor. To the re-assessment committee again, thank you for your time and consideration. --L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, your best course of action is to renominate at WP:GAN. GAR is not a place to to provide a substitute review. The review was not very thorough; the article was ill-prepared. I suggest that the nominator focusses on providing more reliable sources and that the reviewer takes more care in reviewing in future and refrains from unhelpful comments such as "This is resulting in a quick-fail. Far too many issues to outline now; the article is simply under-prepared"; "You need real improvement here buddy." Jezhotwells (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, I removed Songfacts as it's user submitted, and a personal blog on Blogspot. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 00:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]