Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Cart

Cart edit

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A basic, un-sprung cart in Australia. In that country and in New Zealand, it is known as a dray (but "dray" elsewhere usually means a four-wheeled wagon).

Reason: In essence low EV. It is currently used in 3 articles and contributes little in each. A breakdown is as follows:

In cart, it is used in a gallery clearly adding little to the article. Additionally, it's a poor demonstration of what a cart is: it's a broken down, rusting, unused hulk. In wheel, it is also used in a gallery. Not to mention, it's a pretty unspectacular demonstration of a wheel. In horse-drawn vehicle, it is used way down the page and is simply thrown into an already over-illustrated article. Furthermore, as far as I can tell, the parts where you would actually attach this to a horse are now missing.

Articles this image appears in: Cart, Wheel, Horse-drawn vehicle
Previous nomination/s: Original nom
Nominator: Cowtowner (talk)

Delist — Cowtowner (talk) 15:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delist. Convincing. Pretty picture, but currently minimal EV. J Milburn (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delist per nom. --Avenue (talk) 00:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Low ev in each of its articles, as demonstrated in the nom. Spencer^T♦C 22:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delist: Surprising it has stayed in the articles. Maedin\^talk 06:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia has always had a shortage of articles about everyday objects such as furniture, and simple vehicles and tools. The fact that we don't have an article to describe an AU/NZ "dray" is just another example of this. One thing I'd like to note about this is that if it's as broken down and unused as the nom claims, the vegetation underneath should be much more plentiful. If you look in the background, you'll see that this is possible in this environment. That means it was either recently used, or the cart was moved in order for the photo to be taken. It does strike me as a nice example of rural decay, or a landscape overtaken by progress. It's a shame that we don't have more contextual information, and equally, that Wikipedia's articles on this sort of topic are probably not very well developed. Digging around a little, this seems neither to be an uncommon sight [1], nor restricted in usage to AU/NZ (apparent London example). Here's a New Zealand example, complete with suitable horse, and a hoomin for scale (context here). And here, confusingly, is a four-wheel Australian "dray", according to the image file name, although the article calls it a wagon (and doesn't even mention drays). My final note is that we do have articles about other types of two-wheel carts, including gig (carriage) and those listed therein, so I'm inclined to think the fault is not really with the image itself. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- PLW, I agree with a lot of that. The unfortunate thing is that we have to judge images in the context of their articles. If one feels so inclined to write an article about drays in Australia this could certainly be renominated. As it stand I don't think it has much EV though. As for being broken down, I'm still convinced that this example isn't used regularly and that if it is a picture could therefore easily be obtained with a horse pulling it. I think that such an example would have greater EV. Cowtowner (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Much better to create an article than to nominate for delist and then again nominate for promote. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 10:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Feel free to do that yourself then. I know nothing about drays and am not convinced that this would have sufficient EV in that article to justify being featured. Cowtowner (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support to Keep I do see some EV in horse drawn vehicle article beacuse it says different types of vehicles and one is dray but other then that it does have low EV in the other articles. Spongie555 (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Illustrated a half-line entry on a list (which, as mentioned above, it seems to do badly) hardly constitutes FP-level EV. J Milburn (talk) 11:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted --Makeemlighter (talk) 08:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]