Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Mock mirage of the setting sun

Mock mirage of the setting sun

Original - Mock Mirage and w:Brown Pelicans,P. occidentalis carolinensis in San Francisco.

Reason

In San Francisco the setting sun is rarely round. It is due to mirage, which in my opinion is a really fascinating subject. The image has high encyclopedic and educational values and IMO as FP image would make Wikipedia readers to want to learn more about mirages.

Articles this image appears in

Mirage

Creator

Mbz1

• Support as nominator Mbz1 (talk) 17:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment It's certainly very pretty. One might wish for the shillouettes to be a bit sharper, though. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

  Thank you for your comment Shoemaker's Holiday. May I please mention that this image is not about being pretty, it is not just another pretty sunset. This image shows a very interesting, rarely observed and even more rarely photographed phenomenon of complex mock mirage sunset. Because the cause of mirage is strong ray-bending in layers with steep thermal gradients the image quality of this mirage is as best as it gets for such images. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

  Ogh, I understand that, but aesthetic quality + encyclopedic value makes for the best iimages. I just don't know enough about mirages to vote on it, so comment only =) Shoemaker's Holiday

(talk) 19:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• It is great words:"I just don't know enough about mirages to vote on it, so comment only". Thank you!--Mbz1 (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm not so sure about the encyclopedic value, as it's just one of many sunset mirages in the gallery (which BTW probably should be moved on the grounds of WP:NOT#REPOSITORY). howcheng {chat} 19:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

  You are absolutely right. This is one of many sunset mirages. May I please ask you, if you also noticed that all of them were taken by me? Yes, in San Francisco I see mirages 20-30 times per year, but I wonder how many times people from different parts of the world see a mirage? May I please also mention that all sunset mirages are quite unique and that's why all and every one of them have encyclopedic value.Scientists around the world are trying to explain my images. That's why I kind of hoped that it might be nice to have one sunset mirage as FP. About moving the images to the gallery. I'd rather moved them to sunset mirage article. I tried to find somebody to write an article about sunset mirages, but could not. The people I talked to are afraid that they would put lots of work in writing and then somebody, who's never seen a mirage would change their work. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. Nothing in this image is in focus and the image has no caption in the article. Kaldari (talk) 00:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• OK, that's enough. I withdraw the nomination and I am really sorry I uploaded to Wikipedia "so many" "out of focus" sunset mirage images. I truly believe Wikipedia would have been much better off without any one of them. I'd like to end up my contributing to FP project with three quotes that I really like:
  " I just don't know enough about mirages to vote on it, so comment only =)" by Shoemaker's Holiday
  the second quote from Commons FP criteria:
  :"A bad picture of a very difficult subject is a better picture than a good picture of an ordinary subject."
  The third quote from a friend of mine after I showed few nominations to him:
  "Are you sure you put it in the right place? Is it really encyclopedia?"
  Thank you all for comments and for the vote--Mbz1 (talk) 01:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• Don't take it so hard, Mbz - Commons is a totally different place, and the quote there doesn't necessarily apply here - Wikipedia FPs need both high quality and a lot of encyclopedic content (I'm not saying your image lacks it) - and often, that is the stumbling point for many candidates. Keep nominating, don't take comments too personally. We all try to make a better 'pedia, and photos are always welcome. Whether they will make it all the way to FPs is another matter - it's a tough test! --Janke | Talk 09:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Mira-- you're a valued contributor (with what, at least 7 FPs that were personally taken by you?). Please don't take comments personally. Spikebrennan (talk) 17:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Didn't mean anything personally, just trying to judge the picture based on the FP criteria. Kaldari (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't feel bad about it, you didn't do anything wrong. Threatening to quit WP or FPC is just poor style. --Dschwen 00:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• Cannot agree with you more,Dschwen. It is a poor style and I am sorry, if the statements I made offended or upset somebody. Thank you all for the comments.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 13:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Nomination withdrawn.